I keep reading on this board that we shouldn't do much to improve ourselves because we aren't going to be good for another five years. Bullpoop. We have to improve year after year because something magical isn't going to suddenly happen. We have to be better next year because I am sure that Rocky doesn't want to look at a bunch of empty seats. Then we have to be better the following year. But...that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.

Rain, tell us what you really think about Murphy....


Bowmans string of errors and poor decisions will be discussed forever. Looking at his track record, its questionable if he identified Hammer as at the end of his usefulness or just got lucky. In addition, as you say, he didn't necessarily get a haul for him. His track record on acquired D-men leaves much to be desired. McCabe, Murphy, dehaan, Timonnen, Zadorov, etc. have all been various levels of bad, and that doesn't even include the gift that will keep on giving in S. Jones. Balance that with guys like Forsling and Rutta who were dumped and now play major minutes on successful teams.
- TheTrob[/quote

Love the passion but hard to understand how much hate Stan gets. Did you get a bad place to stand at the 3 Stanley Cup Parades?

It has been reported that Bowman has already turned down a GM offer and that it is only a matter of time before he is running another team. There are owners who lay awake at night dreaming of getting their name on 1 cup let alone 3.

Yes he took over a team from Tallon. Tallon took over a team from Smith. Smith in 4 years drafted 23 guys who played an NHL game. Smith says it is a record. I don't know if he's right but Keith, Wiz, Burrish, Ruutu, Anderson, Seabrook, Buf, and Crawford were decent building blocks. Smith told me Bill Wirtz told him that he had 24 hours to trade Doug Gilmour and that's why Dumont ended up in Buffalo. Owners play big roles in NHL decision making.

As for defensemen, he did turn Cam Barker into Nick Leddy who came out of the doghouse to make a huge play against Boston in Game 7.

Tallon gave us the Arkipov era and then team dropped to the bottom of the standings, as did Florida with him at GM, then drafting at the top of the draft where the Needle Movers reside, got Kane and Toews. Fleeced the Flyers out of Sharp. Signed Keith to a $72 million contact which probably cost Keith $5 million a year for 5 or more years. Kept his eyes too much on the golf ball instead of the Hawks and boom Bowman era.

Bowman swung for the fences at deadlines. Turned over the roster twice and it was the best 10 year run of hockey in a long time here. In 12 drafts 38 guys played an NHL game and he was particularly effective with low first round drafts, not 1st overalls; Hayes, Danault, TT, Hartman, Schmaltz, Joki, Boqvist, Dach. All players. Some later round success as well in DeBrincat, Saad, Shaw and Nordstrom.

Lost two Saad deals bad. Colliton replaced a legend in Covid and ended up 5 games under .500.

As for the contracts, team was worth $300 million now it's $1.5 billion. We don't know if the owner told him to give Seabrook a big going away contract. We don't know what happened behind the scenes. Nobody besides the fans deserved Wirtz money more than Keith, Seabrook, Kand and Toews.

Bowman made some mistakes but he was far better than the 18 years of Pulford and I am sure the owners in Carolina, Toronto and Edmonton all regret not swinging for the fences at the deadline this year. Bowman is waiting for the right spot. Does anyone want to bet who gets their name on a Cup first, Bowman or Davidson?

What do you expect that silly team retired the Plager brothers' number, retured MacInnis for some reason even though he had more and better seasons with the Flames, Brian Sutter for some reason (I guess needed a guy that didn't quite average a point per game for his career - dunno), Brett Hull (no argument there), Bernie Federko (poor man's version of Denis Savard, but with even less success), Pronger --probably for the sole reason of not to feel too sorry for the fact that they had to give up Scott Stevens in compensation for Shanahan - for whom they ended up trading for Pronger - again - never won anything with the Blues.


--- That team ever get the memo about retiring numbers? Like in that they oughta maybe be meaningful players? Guess not. Otoh StL does get credit not for having an 'also ran' banner raising night, so there is that.
- SC116

Let’s see. Did the Blues video coach meat any of his teams players and then have the entire team
Cover for his sick perverted ass? Oh yeah. THAT WAS YOU GUYS!!!!!!!

Let’s see. Did the Blues video coach meat any of his teams players and then have the entire team
Cover for his sick perverted ass? Oh yeah. THAT WAS YOU GUYS!!!!!!!
- BluesDroogie

Freudian slip?

You need all these qualifications to put a few more people in the seats? I thought drafting Bedard was all you needed.


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- LAHawk

Win, or look good trying. Simple. How to sell tickets to games with a horsepoop team, that requires a scientist.

I'm looking forward to the arguments about "who built the team" when the Hawks are competitive again. Will SB get all the credit for drafting/signing the likes of Reichel, Commesso, Soderblom, Vlasic, Dach, Del Mastro and Allan.
- DarthKane

If the Hawks are successful with those who were drafted by Bowman it will indeed be interesting to see what kind of credit he gets. Plenty of posters on here were more than happy to point out all the players drafted by Tallon, Smith or any of the previous GM's, while also failing to acknowledge that there were a number of quality players Bowman drafted late in the first round or even in later rounds.

Of course you also realize, that like many of Bowmans picks, the chance of them remaining Hawks was slim (Schmaltz, Hartmann, Jokiharju, Boqvist, etc.)

Oh, Id take him a heartbeat, was saying a cup contender can't take that on right now.

They desperately need to make a hockey trade and deal a Nylander, Marner or Matthews for a team that can afford to deal a top 4 or top pairing d man back. Not sure if that marriage exists, but if I were a Leafs fan that's what I would be hoping for...Otherwise they can run through the regular season but come playoff time they dont' have the horses on the back end to win series.
- SteveRain

Take any of their top 4, send them back S. Jones with a mil or 2 retained. Then they have thier top pairing D-man and a little bit of cap relief.

...

It has been reported that Bowman has already turned down a GM offer and that it is only a matter of time before he is running another team. There are GM's who lay awake at night dreaming of getting their name on 1 cup let alone 3.

...
- stevefrmglencoe

One of them just cut loose by Toronto. I'm guessing he will get another chance as well.

I don't hate Bowman, I have even said in the past that if you actually look at his drafts, there are not a ton of guys picked after who he selected that were necessarily better, and he had some home-runs in guys like Debrincat and Saad.

One of Bowmans main issues was picking a direction and sticking to it. Rebuild, re-tool, whatever, stick to it. You're going to rebuild, then you go out and grab Johnson, Jones, McCabe, Zadorov, etc. while dumping prospects or picks.

Bowmans main deficiency was his inability to properly evaluate D-men. He inherited Keith, Seabrook, Hammer. Outside of the Oduya deal, most every other move he made for a d-man was poor. Yeah, that may be the toughest to evaluate, ask EDM and TOR about it also.

Let’s see. Did the Blues video coach meat any of his teams players and then have the entire team
Cover for his sick perverted ass? Oh yeah. THAT WAS YOU GUYS!!!!!!!
- BluesDroogie

Yeah you're original you Meat Stick
Typical Blows white trash fan go find your inbred cousin vofart. Blow's have and always will be irrelevant you douche

Elite prospect is hyping their draft coverage package by giving a preview.
The preview is basically a breakdown of Connor Bedard.
I know you are all quick learners, but this is worth the time and it will give you a nice reality check on what just happened to us via the lottery.

https://static.eliteprosp...2023DraftGuidePreview.pdf


Sure it sounds technical, but you will all get it.

You need all these qualifications to put a few more people in the seats? I thought drafting Bedard was all you needed.


Data Scientist - Chicago Blackh...
- LAHawk

Lol- yeh ok- so you need to know how to sort and filter in Excel - bonus points if you can describe the purpose of (even better if you know how to use it) - a pivot table to management.

Come prepared to show numbers in a pie chart.

Elite prospect is hyping their draft coverage package by giving a preview.
The preview is basically a breakdown of Connor Bedard.
I know you are all quick learners, but this is worth the time and it will give you a nice reality check on what just happened to us via the lottery.

https://static.eliteprosp...2023DraftGuidePreview.pdf


Sure it sounds technical, but you will all get it.
- wiz1901

Awesome read - and a 65 stick - I was wondering about that - it looked like it was rubber - I used an 85 or 90 and wanted more like a 100 ... the whip on that is incredible. I found some highlight video - I think it was the last major international tournament - more than just simply here are all of the goals.

Yeh .... ok it was closer to OM ... G - how did that happen?! - and it was the fake drive and give and goes - that sort of thing. This guy is not remotely a one trick pony - not by any stretch of the imagination.

I read a lot of talks about 'mentors' - look don't diminish the type that comes from guys who either missed out big in winning it all, or thought it was automatic and when they realised it wasn't - things like the combination of what guys like Hull would have done for the last group, in combination with Savard, and even (on ice only Roenick). The skills - well, I mean what are you going to 'mentor' on? -It is more like these other things. Hossa, obviously is a great guy for that, but then he realised success - it was he who embodied the message prior to 2010 -it validated everything that could have been said -and that's because aside from all of the physical angles to this game, it is a highly mental sport. That part ends up going unappreciated maybe.

Don't buy it? Even screw up a play and have to recover, without worrying overly much about what you screwed up if you have to address it so that something worse doesn't happen? It is a continual exercise in thinking on your feet. Flexibility and resilience -training... and a lot of it -but what is the end goal of the NHL? More than just that basic fundamental skill set.

Elite prospect is hyping their draft coverage package by giving a preview.
The preview is basically a breakdown of Connor Bedard.
I know you are all quick learners, but this is worth the time and it will give you a nice reality check on what just happened to us via the lottery.

https://static.eliteprosp...2023DraftGuidePreview.pdf


Sure it sounds technical, but you will all get it.
- wiz1901

Thanks for sharing Wiz. Can't wait to see him play.

I'm looking forward to the arguments about "who built the team" when the Hawks are competitive again. Will SB get all the credit for drafting/signing the likes of Reichel, Commesso, Soderblom, Vlasic, Dach, Del Mastro and Allan.
- DarthKane

If the Hawks are competing for cups in the next 10 years, the only person to get credit will be the G.M. that tanked to get Bedard.

Anything else will be an afterthought

One of them just cut loose by Toronto. I'm guessing he will get another chance as well.

I don't hate Bowman, I have even said in the past that if you actually look at his drafts, there are not a ton of guys picked after who he selected that were necessarily better, and he had some home-runs in guys like Debrincat and Saad.

One of Bowmans main issues was picking a direction and sticking to it. Rebuild, re-tool, whatever, stick to it. You're going to rebuild, then you go out and grab Johnson, Jones, McCabe, Zadorov, etc. while dumping prospects or picks.

Bowmans main deficiency was his inability to properly evaluate D-men. He inherited Keith, Seabrook, Hammer. Outside of the Oduya deal, most every other move he made for a d-man was poor. Yeah, that may be the toughest to evaluate, ask EDM and TOR about it also.
- TheTrob

He traded Barker for Leddy. Forsling could win a Cup. Ruuta won 2. JVR, Gustafson and Kempny have all played decent roles. Some of the trades were bad. The Salary Cap kills deep teams. He stuck a bit too long with the amazing core. We don't know what the owner demanded from him. His name is on the Cup 3 times and I will bet my Tom Lysiak Red 12 jersey he gets on it again.

Michal Roszival is available.
- rpeters01

I think they will sign Shattenkirk.

Take any of their top 4, send them back S. Jones with a mil or 2 retained. Then they have thier top pairing D-man and a little bit of cap relief.
- TheTrob

Hard to believe they would trade any of those guys. So much talent. Just need to get over the hump. Time to bring in a Laviolette and play a much harder game.

Hard to believe they would trade any of those guys. So much talent. Just need to get over the hump. Time to bring in a Laviolette and play a much harder game.
- stevefrmglencoe

Yep I know you are wiz friend and you have a good perspective on most everything you discuss

This time however I do not believe you need to bring in Laviolette. Talk about a recycled coach; nonetheless, I see your point

But we are fine to stay the course with the system and coaching in place. Moreover, the repitoire between coach and players is very good. Give the coach better players, that goes a long ways. I am waiting and hoping each of Korchinski. DelMaestro and Allen make the grade. Along with Vlasic. Those four alone provide enough toughness.

I hope we have enough good dmen to unload S Jones after three more seasons. By then we hope our young defense no longer needs veteran like Jones. Kaiser hopefully will be part of the mix too so we can only hope for a role reversal in trade front whereas we trade our first and S Jones for a second round

Hard to believe they would trade any of those guys. So much talent. Just need to get over the hump. Time to bring in a Laviolette and play a much harder game.
- stevefrmglencoe

Lots of talent, soft team, little depth, suspect goaltending and iffy defense. How is Laviolette going to overcome that plus make Marner, Nylander and Matthews play a harder game? It’s not in their DNA.

Lots of talent, soft team, little depth, suspect goaltending and iffy defense. How is Laviolette going to overcome that plus make Marner, Nylander and Matthews play a harder game? It’s not in their DNA.
- paulr

And there lies the problem. Hate to beat the horse to death, however the Tavares signing was idiotic. You need a couple of all star type dmen, they don’t have to be a Makar or Hedman, just above average.

And there lies the problem. Hate to beat the horse to death, however the Tavares signing was idiotic. You need a couple of all star type dmen, they don’t have to be a Makar or Hedman, just above average.
- Angotti

S. Jones was an all-star 😂

Edit: in all seriousness, I think the did a better job at the deadline this year than previous years. They picked up O’Reilly, McCabe and Lafferty. All are guys that play a bit more of a defensive game and a heavier game to be sure. The problem is that they didn’t have enough guys willing to play like that (and also provide secondary scoring).

S. Jones was an all-star 😂

Edit: in all seriousness, I think the did a better job at the deadline this year than previous years. They picked up O’Reilly, McCabe and Lafferty. All are guys that play a bit more of a defensive game and a heavier game to be sure. The problem is that they didn’t have enough guys willing to play like that (and also provide secondary scoring).
- Chunk

TBH, S Jones is better than anyone on their backend. Although Reilly played better in the playoffs, he was very pedestrian during the regular season. Some Leaf fans want to add more scoring, but they really need to upgrade their defense if they want to make longer playoff runs.
Edit- Sign Severson, then trade Tavares and a 1st for S Jones. Now you have Jones, McCabe, Reilly, and Severson as your top four, much better than they’ve had these past few years.

Hoping for a Vegas win tonight. If the series finishes tonight, the finals start Wednesday, May 31. If Dallas wins and the series goes to at least 6 games, the finals start Saturday June 3.

The sooner the finals start and end the sooner some off season action starts taking place. We're all waiting for that. Go Knights!

Culture and winning will likely be the deciding factor for guys to take team friendly deals (aav) and/or term. I have no issue giving your core NTC early in the deal, but later on that list can max out at 10.....and by core I think that number is 3.....Bedard, and a D man, and the next most important player on this team at any position. That's it. Expanding your core puts you in cap hell and isn't a LT sustainable way to win.

Either as a fan you are on board for a rebuild or you arent. If you are, it's way early and the demanding of going to win now makes ZERO sense. I get it sucks watching and hoping with no guarantees picks will pan out....but that's where today's sports world is..outside of the NFL.

I can't wait to see how the Leafs F UP their team this summer. Either they stand pat and enjoy their stay in insanity world OR they will deal the wrong guy of the 4 and bottom out like a rocket in a year or two. Either way...I am here for it...........
- SteveRain

Bedard and a "D man" SR ? That D man had better be Korchinski because if KD traded away a 24 year old 2-time 40 goal scorer in DeBrincat for a second pairing Korchinski, then that trade was a FAILURE ! I personally will not give KD props for that trade unless KK is at least a top pairing guy and an all-star like Duncan Keith for the next 10 to 15 years.

I keep reading on this board that we shouldn't do much to improve ourselves because we aren't going to be good for another five years. Bullpoop. We have to improve year after year because something magical isn't going to suddenly happen. We have to be better next year because I am sure that Rocky doesn't want to look at a bunch of empty seats. Then we have to be better the following year. But...that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
- bjphawkfan

The Hawks are just in that wheel and deal phase to gain assets and moving towards that bring in the young players phase. I don't think we should expect them to make much progress in the standings, but hopefully just play competitive on most nights while KD tries to make the most of the assets they've acquired. Guys like Allan, Dach, Del Mastro, Korchinski, Nazar, Rinzel, and similar are probably like 3-4-5 years from being reliable everyday players at the NHL level (If they reach that potential). The Hawks will be making progress towards what they are building, but probably 2-3 years before they make some reasonable progress in the standings. That isn't to say they won't be improving, but the improvements won't show up on the scoresheet right away, so they may finish near the bottom again but overall the organization will be one year closer.