Bedard and a "D man" SR ? That D man had better be Korchinski because if KD traded away a 24 year old 2-time 40 goal scorer in DeBrincat for a second pairing Korchinski, then that trade was a FAILURE ! I personally will not give KD props for that trade unless KK is at least a top pairing guy and an all-star like Duncan Keith for the next 10 to 15 years.
- Hawkytalk

Then you are likely going to be disappointed. Two different players with different strengths and weaknesses. What if he turns into a guy like Morgan Reilly, or gasp even S. Jones? Considering the type of player he has been, I would assume they expect him to be close to a Burns or Karlsson type, but he’s going to have his own trajectory. I just hope they are able to build a strong stable of players that learn to play together. Is it a failure if Rinzel ends up a better player than KK?

I’m far less interested in comparing trades in a vacuum. If they swing and miss on a top 10 pick, but unearth a 6th rounder that turns into Datsyuk I’m still ecstatic.

Yeah you're original you Meat Stick
Typical Blows white trash fan go find your inbred cousin vofart. Blow's have and always will be irrelevant you douche
- BGKarras

I forget how great chitcago is. Violent crime everyday. You backed a rapist in Kane. Smollett. Yeah. Go (frank) yourself and your poopty town. Pieces of poop

Then you are likely going to be disappointed. Two different players with different strengths and weaknesses. What if he turns into a guy like Morgan Reilly, or gasp even S. Jones? Considering the type of player he has been, I would assume they expect him to be close to a Burns or Karlsson type, but he’s going to have his own trajectory. I just hope they are able to build a strong stable of players that learn to play together. Is it a failure if Rinzel ends up a better player than KK?

I’m far less interested in comparing trades in a vacuum. If they swing and miss on a top 10 pick, but unearth a 6th rounder that turns into Datsyuk I’m still ecstatic.
- Chunk

It really depends on what level of play you get from them. Not saying this wil be the end result, but what if Rinzel becomes elite and KK ends up being an all star? I’ll take that and I’m sure all Blackhawk fans would. Now, with trading DeBrincat for KK, if Rinzel doesn’t hit, then KK is a must.

I forget how great chitcago is. Violent crime everyday. You backed a rapist in Kane. Smollett. Yeah. Go (frank) yourself and your poopty town. Pieces of poop
- BluesDroogie

Dude, take a look at violent crimes per capita, your city sucks, get educated. That being said, Chicago has gotten worse over the last few years, but still better than your crap hole.

The twenty cities with the highest violent crime rates (number of incidents per 100,000 people) are:

St. Louis, MO (2,082)
Detroit, MI (2,057)
Baltimore, MD (2,027)
Memphis, TN (2,003)
Little Rock, AR (1,634)
Milwaukee, WI (1,597)
Rockford, IL (1,588)
Cleveland, OH (1,557)
Stockton, CA (1,415)
Albuquerque, NM (1,369)
Springfield, MO (1,339)
Indianapolis, IN (1,334)
Oakland, CA (1,299)
San Bernardino, CA (1,291)
Anchorage, AK (1,203)
Nashville, TN (1,138)
Lansing, MI (1,136)
New Orleans, LA (1,121)
Minneapolis, MN (1,101)
Chicago, IL (1,099)

Elite prospect is hyping their draft coverage package by giving a preview.
The preview is basically a breakdown of Connor Bedard.
I know you are all quick learners, but this is worth the time and it will give you a nice reality check on what just happened to us via the lottery.

https://static.eliteprosp...2023DraftGuidePreview.pdf


Sure it sounds technical, but you will all get it.
- wiz1901

Cool preview,thanks a million Wiz!

Few questions
1) his skating is a 7 according to them. I believe at lines you said he has that first few steps acceleration and burst,but just doesn't have great high end speed. From what I've seen his edge work is very good. Who is someone you'd compare his skating to?

2) where would you rank his sense when compared to Crosby,McDavid,Kucherov and other elites?

3) Their comparison is Matthews/Pasta. I don't have anything against either of them. If he is=Pasta, would that be a let down or disappointment?

Cool preview,thanks a million Wiz!

Few questions
1) his skating is a 7 according to them. I believe at lines you said he has that first few steps acceleration and burst,but just doesn't have great high end speed. From what I've seen his edge work is very good. Who is someone you'd compare his skating to?

2) where would you rank his sense when compared to Crosby,McDavid,Kucherov and other elites?

3) Their comparison is Matthews/Pasta. I don't have anything against either of them. If he is=Pasta, would that be a let down or disappointment?
- captainserious

Holy poop! What else do you want the kid to do?

Dude, take a look at violent crimes per capital, your city sucks, get educated. That being said, Chicago has gotten worse over the last few years, but still better than your crap hole.

The twenty cities with the highest violent crime rates (number of incidents per 100,000 people) are:

St. Louis, MO (2,082)
Detroit, MI (2,057)
Baltimore, MD (2,027)
Memphis, TN (2,003)
Little Rock, AR (1,634)
Milwaukee, WI (1,597)
Rockford, IL (1,588)
Cleveland, OH (1,557)
Stockton, CA (1,415)
Albuquerque, NM (1,369)
Springfield, MO (1,339)
Indianapolis, IN (1,334)
Oakland, CA (1,299)
San Bernardino, CA (1,291)
Anchorage, AK (1,203)
Nashville, TN (1,138)
Lansing, MI (1,136)
New Orleans, LA (1,121)
Minneapolis, MN (1,101)
Chicago, IL (1,099)
- Angotti

Not that it makes it any better but most of it is done in the inner city gang wars. No matter if we acknowledge it or not there is a poverty war happening all over the country in cities, heck even rural areas with Meth.

The inner city of Chicago yes has accounted for many unfortunate shootings, over 96% are minorities from poor neighborhoods.

heyjackass.com

Here is question for the board, if hawks cannot move up to 10 -15 range who at 19 would be the best available at that spot that meets the traits hawks management is looking for? Speed compete size high hockey IQ. Imo I like the big Finn

Dude, take a look at violent crimes per capita, your city sucks, get educated. That being said, Chicago has gotten worse over the last few years, but still better than your crap hole.

The twenty cities with the highest violent crime rates (number of incidents per 100,000 people) are:

St. Louis, MO (2,082)
Detroit, MI (2,057)
Baltimore, MD (2,027)
Memphis, TN (2,003)
Little Rock, AR (1,634)
Milwaukee, WI (1,597)
Rockford, IL (1,588)
Cleveland, OH (1,557)
Stockton, CA (1,415)
Albuquerque, NM (1,369)
Springfield, MO (1,339)
Indianapolis, IN (1,334)
Oakland, CA (1,299)
San Bernardino, CA (1,291)
Anchorage, AK (1,203)
Nashville, TN (1,138)
Lansing, MI (1,136)
New Orleans, LA (1,121)
Minneapolis, MN (1,101)
Chicago, IL (1,099)
- Angotti

Dude. I will not argue. I can’t. St. Louis city sucks!!!! At least there in Chicago you got the l trains. You have a decent city. Been there a handful of times and have enjoyed myself. Wiener circle and your damn deep dish pizzas!!! I have to hate you because I’m from St. Louis and a hockey fanatic ha ha

Dude. I will not argue. I can’t. St. Louis city sucks!!!! At least there in Chicago you got the l trains. You have a decent city. Been there a handful of times and have enjoyed myself. Wiener circle and your damn deep dish pizzas!!! I have to hate you because I’m from St. Louis and a hockey fanatic ha ha
- BluesDroogie

Fake hate is the worst.

Fake hate is the worst.
- mohel

Oh I have hate for Chicago. Believe that ha ha. You have fields of corn for 4 hours from St. Louis to Chicago. Boring lame. Illinois sucks. Poverty and nothing scenic. At least in Missouri I drive 2 hours south I have the Ozarks and mountains

Oh I have hate for Chicago. Believe that ha ha. You have fields of corn for 4 hours from St. Louis to Chicago. Boring lame. Illinois sucks. Poverty and nothing scenic. At least in Missouri I drive 2 hours south I have the Ozarks and mountains
- BluesDroogie

And the muggiest summer weather of anyplace.

Oh I have hate for Chicago. Believe that ha ha. You have fields of corn for 4 hours from St. Louis to Chicago. Boring lame. Illinois sucks. Poverty and nothing scenic. At least in Missouri I drive 2 hours south I have the Ozarks and mountains
- BluesDroogie

Did you run into Marty or Wendy?

Dude. I will not argue. I can’t. St. Louis city sucks!!!! At least there in Chicago you got the EL trains. Wiener circle and your damn deep dish pizzas!!! I have to hate you because I’m from St. Louis and a hockey fanatic ha ha
- BluesDroogie

The Weiner Circle is about four blocks from my former residence.

The hot dogs there are grilled not steamed.

Most of us here could take or leave deep dish or stuffed and prefer thin pizza with the sauce up to a tiny crust not a giant knuckle of an end crust.
Or thin is square cuts.

Here is question for the board, if hawks cannot move up to 10 -15 range who at 19 would be the best available at that spot that meets the traits hawks management is looking for? Speed compete size high hockey IQ. Imo I like the big Finn
- Scott1977

Me too, but it more complicated and I think there is plenty of currency to get in the later than #19 to take him, and he might linger....

My first move as GM happens on Tuesday when I call Kevin Cheveldayoff and offer him pick #67 to switch slots with hawks #18 for #19.
I bump the deal to #55 if he balks. They have no second.

This single move next Tuesday no matter what it takes in later picks moves us one step lower and closer and more attractive as bait.

I don't think they would be opposed to a terrific USA skater like Moore who needs a bit of time, but me thinks you have to look at assets already in the farm...
Bedard Nazar and Reichelo and they are the roadmap. How big will Oliver Moore get?
He really needs a bit of time but really can skate / is smart etc. but Leonard plays the wall and is more of a winger who can play all three positions without a drop.


ON Moore: I see Frankie Nazar as a wing. I see Bedard’s value as his adaptability to wing. I think Reichel is a wing if anything and the kid BU Greene looks like he is big and quick enough to play centre or wing, and score…I think the idea of a centre is a great option. I just love the Swede defender Axel Sandin Pelikka despite his size I think he goes higher than I have him but if he drops to #19 you have to think about taking him.

I would concentrate on forwards-scorers who play complete games…because if you have guys less committed to hard play and natural defense, you will end up paying that player at #19 or #11 more b/c he will have high totals if he is playing with Bedard.

And I am sure they know little Frankie isn’t big, Reichel is solid but not big and they need options that are different than these three (Connor included) so they want size with edge and some grit and Ryan Leonard is pretty far along as a gritty attacker/scorer.
You wish for a Tkachuk, but are happy if you get a Hyman, or a Palat at some point in the seance.

Callum Ritchie got knocked for not scoring consistently (and b/c he was diligent as a two way centre), not a guy who went hard into the lower third of the attack zone. By the end of the season he was much more a player….and I still like his upside. I would love Leonard at slot #11, but there are guys like Ritchie who are too good to trade #19 to jump lower in the first[/I]
I do like Otto Stenberg b/c he will grow some…and why screw around? If he or centre David Edstrom, or Kasper Halttunen is your guy, just take them or go out and get another late first rounder along with Vancouver or Pittsburgh's pick, it may have a lot to do with the the player they want, say Leonard, is still on the board at #11.

If no, make the pick at #19 but try to move up in the late first below #19

Yep I know you are wiz friend and you have a good perspective on most everything you discuss

This time however I do not believe you need to bring in Laviolette. Talk about a recycled coach; nonetheless, I see your point

But we are fine to stay the course with the system and coaching in place. Moreover, the repitoire between coach and players is very good. Give the coach better players, that goes a long ways. I am waiting and hoping each of Korchinski. DelMaestro and Allen make the grade. Along with Vlasic. Those four alone provide enough toughness.

I hope we have enough good dmen to unload S Jones after three more seasons. By then we hope our young defense no longer needs veteran like Jones. Kaiser hopefully will be part of the mix too so we can only hope for a role reversal in trade front whereas we trade our first and S Jones for a second round
- jhawk59

My latest Laviolette diatribe was related to what Toronto should do now. They have had amazing talent for 6 or 7 years. Keefe has been 95 games over .500 in his 4 years. I don't know if they can trade their way out of this but a hard coach could change everything here. 3 of the 4 core guys are among the top forwards in the game. A hard coach might be able to get them to stop trying to win 5-4 during the regular season and be ready for the playoffs when you have to win 3-2.

As for the Hawks coaching staff, I don't think it is expereinced enough. Richardson is a first time coach. The assistants are Kevin Dean, who was an assitant for many years in Boston. Derek Plante is in his first NHL job. Derek King has been on an NHL bench for 1.5 years. Jimmy Waite has been the goalie coach here since 2014, they did win the Cup in his rookie coaching season since then they have not won a playoff round besides the bubble since.

I have heard that the two most important coaches are the head coach and goalie coach. Head coach makes all the touch decisions and because goaltending is so important the goalie coach has a large influence.

This staff would have been understandable if they were in a typical rebuild but the world has changed. It needs to be beefed up quickly. Let's see what Davidson does here.

Damn, apparently Germany beat the US in the world championships.

Lots of talent, soft team, little depth, suspect goaltending and iffy defense. How is Laviolette going to overcome that plus make Marner, Nylander and Matthews play a harder game? It’s not in their DNA.
- paulr

I believe when the coach changes the whole team changes. Everyone has to re-earn their ice time and position on the team. This spring, like all springs, it seems that the team that limits the odd man breaks is winning the games. Marner seems like pretty good two way guy, he kills penalties, he is a Selke finalist. He can give up some offense to limit odd man breaks. I think Matthews is a monster and if he was coached to change his game to be a tougher guy to play against he could be a Steve Yzerman story of committing to 200 feet. Keefe had 4 years to get them to play 2 way in the playoffs and it didn't happen. Hard to trade 4 superstars. Easy to bring in a new voice.

And there lies the problem. Hate to beat the horse to death, however the Tavares signing was idiotic. You need a couple of all star type dmen, they don’t have to be a Makar or Hedman, just above average.
- Angotti

Tavares was the prime FA at the time. How could Toronto have turned him down? He has been a great regular season player for them and they have been pretty impressive in the regular season. Can't win the Cup without making the playoffs. Dubas is gone probably because of his inability to find the D to support their stars. It looked pretty good against Tampa this year then every one but Reilly played poorly against Florida. So did Boston and Carolina whose defense looks amazing on paper.

I believe when the coach changes the whole team changes. Everyone has to re-earn their ice time and position on the team. This spring, like all springs, it seems that the team that limits the odd man breaks is winning the games. Marner seems like pretty good two way guy, he kills penalties, he is a Selke finalist. He can give up some offense to limit odd man breaks. I think Matthews is a monster and if he was coached to change his game to be a tougher guy to play against he could be a Steve Yzerman story of committing to 200 feet. Keefe had 4 years to get them to play 2 way in the playoffs and it didn't happen. Hard to trade 4 superstars. Easy to bring in a new voice.
- stevefrmglencoe

I don’t think that’s always the case. Look at Winnipeg, new coach, same quit.

Something we haven't talked about for a while are offer sheets. I'm not suggesting the Hawks make an offer or will have one offered to one of their RFA's, but there are some prime candidates out there that, if offered,would make it difficult for their clubs to match.

Some are Miller and Lafrieniere of NYR, Zegras of the Ducks, Swayman of the Bruins, Byram of the Avs, Caufield of the Canadiens. Anaheim has plenty of cap space so they can afford to match a Zegras offer sheet.

Everyone says Carolina needs more offense. It would be something if they offer sheet Caufield. They got the picks (2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd) and the cap space to offer him something in the 8.58M to 10.725M range.

Edit - On second thought who would be in favor of Chicago offer sheeting Caufield?

I forget how great chitcago is. Violent crime everyday. You backed a rapist in Kane. Smollett. Yeah. Go (frank) yourself and your poopty town. Pieces of poop
- BluesDroogie

Hey man get your facts straight cuz you look really stupid and ignorant. No one ever backed Smollett that piece of poop should rot for what he did. What proof do you have about Kane? Prove it if not STFU.... NOW go find some business elsewhere you phuckin bastard. Now St. Louis is still irrelevant nothing but a bunch of hacks 🤣🤣

Tavares was the prime FA at the time. How could Toronto have turned him down? He has been a great regular season player for them and they have been pretty impressive in the regular season. Can't win the Cup without making the playoffs. Dubas is gone probably because of his inability to find the D to support their stars. It looked pretty good against Tampa this year then every one but Reilly played poorly against Florida. So did Boston and Carolina whose defense looks amazing on paper.
- stevefrmglencoe

Just by saying "no"?

Just by saying "no"?
- mohel

They had not won in decades. The premier guy wanted to be there. He has played great. Point a game guy. Hawks had a decent pipeline and were on the way up. Hossa wanted to be here. Hawks got him. Forced a lot of guys out. Turned out pretty well. Final chapter of Tavares to Leafs has not been written.

I don’t think that’s always the case. Look at Winnipeg, new coach, same quit.
- Quicky72

Good point for sure. Injuries also played a big part. #1 D and Top 2 forwards hurt.