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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 25 @ 2:35 PM ET
Probably time to drop the center idea, he clearly excels at the wing. Did he even play center at BC the majority of the time?
- ClaudeFather

Not sure about his BC time but he had basically zero center experience heading into the draft and the Flyers took a huge risk on the kid just saying he’s open to playing Center.

I say play him where he excels and fill in the gaps around him. This is the Flyers tho. They make a name of forcing square pegs into round holes and wondering why it rarely works.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 25 @ 2:53 PM ET
It's very odd that Torts is going to be collaborating with Briere on potential draft picks. When in his busy schedule did he find time to watch these prospects play in Junior and college and in overseas leagues? He's also 65 years old with only three years left on his contract. The odds of him actually coaching any of the kids selected by the Flyers next month are tiny, so it makes no sense for Briere and the scouts to have to take his views on board.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 25 @ 2:54 PM ET
It's very odd that Torts is going to be collaborating with Briere on potential draft picks. When in his busy schedule did he find time to watch these prospects play in Junior and college and in overseas leagues? He's also 65 years old with only three years left on his contract. The odds of him actually coaching any of the kids selected by the Flyers next month are tiny, so it makes no sense for Briere and the scouts to have to take his views on board.
- Feanor

where did you see or read this at?
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 25 @ 3:43 PM ET
Let’s maybe pump the brakes and remember who he’s playing against before the Matthews and Ovi comparisons lol.
- hereticpride

Lol….I’m not saying that’s his comparison talent wise at all….I’m talking about his ability to get shots to the net and how often he try’s. As far as who he’s against….I don’t think it’s a far away from an NHL pace that some are saying….in fact it’s not… a good number of these guys are NHL players and in some cases very good NHL players or guys that will play one day in the show. Maybe a tad below but it’s not like todays NHL isn’t some what watered down….I mean Scott Laughton is on the 3rd line…just like the NHL.I think this kids really been impressive.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 25 @ 4:08 PM ET
Not sure about his BC time but he had basically zero center experience heading into the draft and the Flyers took a huge risk on the kid just saying he’s open to playing Center.

I say play him where he excels and fill in the gaps around him. This is the Flyers tho. They make a name of forcing square pegs into round holes and wondering why it rarely works.

- hereticpride

I don’t think it’s a huge risk at all, if he’s a first line winger, great.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 25 @ 4:11 PM ET
will the flyers then yo-yo him around between wing and center?

Or will they develop a plan and stick with it for more than a 2 weeks?

- hello it's me 2050


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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 25 @ 4:26 PM ET
Lol….I’m not saying that’s his comparison talent wise at all….I’m talking about his ability to get shots to the net and how often he try’s. As far as who he’s against….I don’t think it’s a far away from an NHL pace that some are saying….in fact it’s not… a good number of these guys are NHL players and in some cases very good NHL players or guys that will play one day in the show. Maybe a tad below but it’s not like todays NHL isn’t some what watered down….I mean Scott Laughton is on the 3rd line…just like the NHL.I think this kids really been impressive.
- landros 2



Its all about confidence. No matter which way you slice it the level of competition at these WC's are higher than he faces in college, and he is excelling. It is a next step forward. He will go back to college next season expecting to dominate and hopefully he uses that confidence to do that very thing.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 25 @ 4:33 PM ET
I don’t think it’s a huge risk at all, if he’s a first line winger, great.
- ClaudeFather

That’s true. But as a winger I’m not sure he was BPA there. We’ll see. He’s exceed my expectations thus far.
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 25 @ 5:06 PM ET
Probably time to drop the center idea, he clearly excels at the wing. Did he even play center at BC the majority of the time?
- ClaudeFather


Yes. Only played one full game at LW last season.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 25 @ 5:37 PM ET
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Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

May 25 @ 5:56 PM ET
Despite what some may think, it takes skill to make a good grilled cheese sandwich. Not as easy as one may be lead to believe.
- hello it's me 2050

Not true. I have an app for that. Feltcher sent me a link
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 6:08 PM ET
Not sure about his BC time but he had basically zero center experience heading into the draft and the Flyers took a huge risk on the kid just saying he’s open to playing Center.

I say play him where he excels and fill in the gaps around him. This is the Flyers tho. They make a name of forcing square pegs into round holes and wondering why it rarely works.

- hereticpride


Flyers have to Flyer. I'd like them to try something different in terms of player development strategy. Play the player at his natural position and put him in the best position to take advantage of and use his strengths as a player. He can work on his all around game as well.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 25 @ 7:32 PM ET
Yes. Only played one full game at LW last season.
- bmeltzer

Thank you. Weird every tournament they automatically push him to wing. I know they were re-uniting a line at WJC
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 25 @ 11:38 PM ET
Gauthier and Foerster= scorers. That's a good start at turning things around, but where this team really needs to turn it around is on the defensive side of the puck. Too many mid range defenders on this team and virtually no top end "D" guys. That has to change! Thanks!
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

May 26 @ 12:16 AM ET
Flyers have to Flyer. I'd like them to try something different in terms of player development strategy. Play the player at his natural position and put him in the best position to take advantage of and use his strengths as a player. He can work on his all around game as well.
- MJL


Love it! Is there a Tyrell Goulbourne in the draft?
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 26 @ 7:35 AM ET
Was cancelling my subscription to the A and they offered a year for 24 bucs, if you have been thinking about it, take a look.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 26 @ 7:36 AM ET
Gauthier and Foerster= scorers. That's a good start at turning things around, but where this team really needs to turn it around is on the defensive side of the puck. Too many mid range defenders on this team and virtually no top end "D" guys. That has to change! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout


if you look at the Panthers, not a superstar but really good mix, Vegas, kind of the same, solid, good mix with AP being #1
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 26 @ 8:04 AM ET
if you look at the Panthers, not a superstar but really good mix, Vegas, kind of the same, solid, good mix with AP being #1
- wcorvette



And even Eckblad is a #1 overall pick. Not a superstar but definitely an #1 type guy.

That Vegas defense though, holy crap, every guy is huge, they can all skate. They just overpower you with heaviness and skill.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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May 26 @ 8:16 AM ET
And even Eckblad is a #1 overall pick. Not a superstar but definitely an #1 type guy.

That Vegas defense though, holy crap, every guy is huge, they can all skate. They just overpower you with heaviness and skill.

- MBFlyerfan


your d needs an indenity, like you mention about Vegas, same with Panthers, a good mix of skill or a direction, always wanted a D or two from Vegas
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 26 @ 8:19 AM ET
your d needs an indenity, like you mention about Vegas, same with Panthers, a good mix of skill or a direction, always wanted a D or two from Vegas
- wcorvette



Yeah, the Flyers defense is a modern art disaster. Like they just threw a bunch of stuff at a wall with no plan. No eye towards form or structure. Like a patched up unpainted drywall.




wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 26 @ 8:27 AM ET
Yeah, the Flyers defense is a modern art disaster. Like they just threw a bunch of stuff at a wall with no plan. No eye towards form or structure. Like a patched up unpainted drywall.
- MBFlyerfan


yea, always thinking we need that Right hand D, no, get 6 real good skaters, or high hockey IQ, pick a path, not mix and match. Who knows, you hope as York hits his prime he becomes more like a Montour. D takes a while, Montour is 29. For York to play right side, first full season, I think is a good sign, shows the kid has the IQ, at 25 he should be a really good player if he can hold this path forward.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 8:36 AM ET
yea, always thinking we need that Right hand D, no, get 6 real good skaters, or high hockey IQ, pick a path, not mix and match. Who knows, you hope as York hits his prime he becomes more like a Montour. D takes a while, Montour is 29. For York to play right side, first full season, I think is a good sign, shows the kid has the IQ, at 25 he should be a really good player if he can hold this path forward.
- wcorvette

well now that the flyers are doing it the right way, no worries
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 26 @ 8:58 AM ET
Despite what some may think, it takes skill to make a good grilled cheese sandwich. Not as easy as one may be lead to believe.
- hello it's me 2050


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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 26 @ 9:36 AM ET
Flyers have to Flyer. I'd like them to try something different in terms of player development strategy. Play the player at his natural position and put him in the best position to take advantage of and use his strengths as a player. He can work on his all around game as well.
- MJL

My understanding is its Gauthier that wants to try center, and the Flyers are enabling him. In the end the kid is a winger and a damn good one and that is where I would the Flyers to keep him.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
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May 26 @ 9:42 AM ET
the under 25 group could turn out to be a good group

York and Andrae, York 22 and Andrae 21, they seem to be on track, when they are 25 they should be contributing at a high level. In 3 years as they hit 25 and other prospects hit their lid, if done right, the Flyers should start to make some noise in the playoffs. Zamula will be right there with them. You hope Attard can anchor a 3rd pair, a lot of hope in all this.

Tippet should be a #1 RW, Foerster should be in the middle 6, Cutter and the #7 should be in the top 6. Cates should be anchoring a 3rd line. You hope Frost is a 2C-3C depending on the matchup. They will have bottom 6 options like Desnoyers, Brink, maybe they hit on a Lycksell type guy, either way I can see they filling out the bottom six with real NHL bottom six talent. They currently have 23 picks in the next 3 drafts, that should increase with where the Flyers are today. In goal the Flyers have good, young depth that should match this timeline.

I guess you could say you still have Coots, TK and Farabee.

What is true is you have more assess than you have seats, so not only is it the right thing but they must move players.

This draft is important, next seasons TDL is important and everything that happens between now and then.

The are in a challenging spot, they need Coots and Cam to show they are healthy, you can't avoid it, if they are, the young nucleus seems good enough to be middle of the road team, the more it changes the more it stays the same.

We know trading is the only way to a different direction, as usual the ones you want to trade you can't, maybe if Cam has a real good start, you can move him. Even if all goes well with the current group of 25 and under, even if you hit on Cutter and the years #1, you will need a top 10 pick for a stud D. Yea, 2 picks in 2024, the Panther pick most likely a late 1st and with the team this coming year, the Flyers first is probably mid to low teens, will there be a stud D at 8-10, can the Flyers move up.

I am not a fan of trading TK but I get it, the timeline. I do think they should move Laughton and move Provy this summer, add a sweetener but get the highest picks possible back, or young stud prospects. You then replace them with kids, will that get the Flyers into the top 10 in 2024, not sure. Would trading TK and those 2, not sure. With the kids stepping forward in 2023, I really believe Cam and Coots will play well, well enough to offset losing a TK and Laughton, it does not feel like a bottom 10 team.

They really need to target teams that will finish bottom ten this season and see how they pry their #1 pick from them. Yea, good luck but if you are the Yotes maybe you will pay a hefty price for a Provy plus, Yotes need to show their #1 picks that they are going to be a good team, a Cooley wants to know where they are going. Yotes only have 1 first in 2024 but have 8 2nd's in 24 and 25. Chicago with the prize in 2023, and 4 firsts over the next two drafts, pretty much every player not named Jones is on an expiring contract, they will need to get to the floor, plus they will want to put some talent around CB. The Redwings have picks.

If the #7 hits and Cutter hits, all else goes well, they still need a top flight center and a #1 D.

Seems trades will make or break the Flyers, will the rookie GM be able to pull it off? They have players who will bring back value, they have a solid prospect pool, they can be creative in a trade to get back what they want, they need to take the first step this draft and then fleece someone at the TDL

what do you think the top priority should be 23 and 24, how would you do it?

ME, get into the 2nd round this draft and get into the top ten in 24, get your stud D and if you believe in miracles, get into the top 10 in 25.

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