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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 26 @ 9:46 AM ET
Listening to Briere this morning it seems pretty clear the Flyers are staying at 7 and will pick the best player available. Assuming there will be no surprises with the first 6 picks the best players at 7 will be Oliver Moore and Ryan Leonard, both 5' 11" USHL centers and both coming off really successful WJC 18s. Everyone seems to think Leonard plays a grittier game that is much more aligned with "Flyers hockey" and I bet if Fletcher were still here he would pick Leonard, but Moore is probably the fastest skater in the draft with a higher upside. I think with Briere making the pick he is going to pick Moore if both are on the board when the Flyers pick. What say you? If you are picking at 7, which of these two players to you pick?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 9:50 AM ET
the under 25 group could turn out to be a good group

York and Andrae, York 22 and Andrae 21, they seem to be on track, when they are 25 they should be contributing at a high level. In 3 years as they hit 25 and other prospects hit their lid, if done right, the Flyers should start to make some noise in the playoffs. Zamula will be right there with them. You hope Attard can anchor a 3rd pair, a lot of hope in all this.

Tippet should be a #1 RW, Foerster should be in the middle 6, Cutter and the #7 should be in the top 6. Cates should be anchoring a 3rd line. You hope Frost is a 2C-3C depending on the matchup. They will have bottom 6 options like Desnoyers, Brink, maybe they hit on a Lycksell type guy, either way I can see they filling out the bottom six with real NHL bottom six talent. They currently have 23 picks in the next 3 drafts, that should increase with where the Flyers are today. In goal the Flyers have good, young depth that should match this timeline.

I guess you could say you still have Coots, TK and Farabee.

What is true is you have more assess than you have seats, so not only is it the right thing but they must move players.

This draft is important, next seasons TDL is important and everything that happens between now and then.

The are in a challenging spot, they need Coots and Cam to show they are healthy, you can't avoid it, if they are, the young nucleus seems good enough to be middle of the road team, the more it changes the more it stays the same.

We know trading is the only way to a different direction, as usual the ones you want to trade you can't, maybe if Cam has a real good start, you can move him. Even if all goes well with the current group of 25 and under, even if you hit on Cutter and the years #1, you will need a top 10 pick for a stud D. Yea, 2 picks in 2024, the Panther pick most likely a late 1st and with the team this coming year, the Flyers first is probably mid to low teens, will there be a stud D at 8-10, can the Flyers move up.

I am not a fan of trading TK but I get it, the timeline. I do think they should move Laughton and move Provy this summer, add a sweetener but get the highest picks possible back, or young stud prospects. You then replace them with kids, will that get the Flyers into the top 10 in 2024, not sure. Would trading TK and those 2, not sure. With the kids stepping forward in 2023, I really believe Cam and Coots will play well, well enough to offset losing a TK and Laughton, it does not feel like a bottom 10 team.

They really need to target teams that will finish bottom ten this season and see how they pry their #1 pick from them. Yea, good luck but if you are the Yotes maybe you will pay a hefty price for a Provy plus, Yotes need to show their #1 picks that they are going to be a good team, a Cooley wants to know where they are going. Yotes only have 1 first in 2024 but have 8 2nd's in 24 and 25. Chicago with the prize in 2023, and 4 firsts over the next two drafts, pretty much every player not named Jones is on an expiring contract, they will need to get to the floor, plus they will want to put some talent around CB. The Redwings have picks.

If the #7 hits and Cutter hits, all else goes well, they still need a top flight center and a #1 D.

Seems trades will make or break the Flyers, will the rookie GM be able to pull it off? They have players who will bring back value, they have a solid prospect pool, they can be creative in a trade to get back what they want, they need to take the first step this draft and then fleece someone at the TDL

what do you think the top priority should be 23 and 24, how would you do it?

ME, get into the 2nd round this draft and get into the top ten in 24, get your stud D and if you believe in miracles, get into the top 10 in 25.

- wcorvette

now go look at the other teams in the conf and compare them to the flyers in your same time span.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 26 @ 9:56 AM ET
Listening to Briere this morning it seems pretty clear the Flyers are staying at 7 and will pick the best player available. Assuming there will be no surprises with the first 6 picks the best players at 7 will be Oliver Moore and Ryan Leonard, both 5' 11" USHL centers and both coming off really successful WJC 18s. Everyone seems to think Leonard plays a grittier game that is much more aligned with "Flyers hockey" and I bet if Fletcher were still here he would pick Leonard, but Moore is probably the fastest skater in the draft with a higher upside. I think with Briere making the pick he is going to pick Moore if both are on the board when the Flyers pick. What say you? If you are picking at 7, which of these two players to you pick?
- jd250



Ill be happy with either. I like Moore because he can just fly.

In the end I think I go with Moore because of his speed, his motor, the fact he is a CENTER, and I think he has enough skill that he can improve it as he develops.....but those WHEELS. The Flyers have no player like him in terms of pure speed. Plus I like his overall game in that he is always in the right spot. He plays a 200 foot game (The good kind
) and uses that speed to get himself in the right areas. He wins most puck races and battles simply by getting there quicker than anyone else.

If we get him we automatically have one of the fastest skaters in the league in our prospect pool.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 9:59 AM ET
Ill be happy with either. I like Moore because he can just fly.

In the end I think I go with Moore because of his speed, his motor, the fact he is a CENTER, and I think he has enough skill that he can improve it as he develops.....but those WHEELS. The Flyers have no player like him in terms of pure speed. Plus I like his overall game in that he is always in the right spot. He plays a 200 foot game (The good kind
) and uses that speed to get himself in the right areas. He wins most puck races and battles simply by getting there quicker than anyone else.

If we get him we automatically have one of the fastest skaters in the league in our prospect pool.

- MBFlyerfan

always think of brad jones when I hear fastest skater!!!

Who does Torst like is the question....
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 26 @ 10:11 AM ET
always think of brad jones when I hear fastest skater!!!

Who does Torst like is the question....

- hello it's me 2050



Brad Jones was selected with the 156th pick in the 8th round. So...I guess.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 26 @ 10:13 AM ET
always think of brad jones whe I too n I hear fastest skater!!!

Who does Torst like is the question....

- hello it's me 2050

Torts has input but Briere makes the pick. Torts stated when he was an analyst that the Flyers lacked foot speed so I think he would welcome getting a fast, highly skilled center. When I watch Moore I can't help but think of a young Brad Marchand and if that is what he develops into Moore would be a great pick. In the end I am leaning towards Moore over Leonard.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 10:24 AM ET
Brad Jones was selected with the 156th pick in the 8th round. So...I guess.
- MBFlyerfan

has nothing to do with where he was picked. As i stated it was about speed. so whatever
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 10:25 AM ET
Torts has input but Briere makes the pick. Torts stated when he was an analyst that the Flyers lacked foot speed so I think he would welcome getting a fast, highly skilled center. When I watch Moore I can't help but think of a young Brad Marchand and if that is what he develops into Moore would be a great pick. In the end I am leaning towards Moore over Leonard.
- jd250

Torts should have zero fn input in who they draft. None. He has imo no clue who these prospects are in a deep sense.

Danny will be a lap dog is my guess. Time will tell
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 26 @ 10:25 AM ET
the under 25 group could turn out to be a good group

York and Andrae, York 22 and Andrae 21, they seem to be on track, when they are 25 they should be contributing at a high level. In 3 years as they hit 25 and other prospects hit their lid, if done right, the Flyers should start to make some noise in the playoffs. Zamula will be right there with them. You hope Attard can anchor a 3rd pair, a lot of hope in all this.

Tippet should be a #1 RW, Foerster should be in the middle 6, Cutter and the #7 should be in the top 6. Cates should be anchoring a 3rd line. You hope Frost is a 2C-3C depending on the matchup. They will have bottom 6 options like Desnoyers, Brink, maybe they hit on a Lycksell type guy, either way I can see they filling out the bottom six with real NHL bottom six talent. They currently have 23 picks in the next 3 drafts, that should increase with where the Flyers are today. In goal the Flyers have good, young depth that should match this timeline.

I guess you could say you still have Coots, TK and Farabee.

What is true is you have more assess than you have seats, so not only is it the right thing but they must move players.

This draft is important, next seasons TDL is important and everything that happens between now and then.

The are in a challenging spot, they need Coots and Cam to show they are healthy, you can't avoid it, if they are, the young nucleus seems good enough to be middle of the road team, the more it changes the more it stays the same.

We know trading is the only way to a different direction, as usual the ones you want to trade you can't, maybe if Cam has a real good start, you can move him. Even if all goes well with the current group of 25 and under, even if you hit on Cutter and the years #1, you will need a top 10 pick for a stud D. Yea, 2 picks in 2024, the Panther pick most likely a late 1st and with the team this coming year, the Flyers first is probably mid to low teens, will there be a stud D at 8-10, can the Flyers move up.

I am not a fan of trading TK but I get it, the timeline. I do think they should move Laughton and move Provy this summer, add a sweetener but get the highest picks possible back, or young stud prospects. You then replace them with kids, will that get the Flyers into the top 10 in 2024, not sure. Would trading TK and those 2, not sure. With the kids stepping forward in 2023, I really believe Cam and Coots will play well, well enough to offset losing a TK and Laughton, it does not feel like a bottom 10 team.

They really need to target teams that will finish bottom ten this season and see how they pry their #1 pick from them. Yea, good luck but if you are the Yotes maybe you will pay a hefty price for a Provy plus, Yotes need to show their #1 picks that they are going to be a good team, a Cooley wants to know where they are going. Yotes only have 1 first in 2024 but have 8 2nd's in 24 and 25. Chicago with the prize in 2023, and 4 firsts over the next two drafts, pretty much every player not named Jones is on an expiring contract, they will need to get to the floor, plus they will want to put some talent around CB. The Redwings have picks.

If the #7 hits and Cutter hits, all else goes well, they still need a top flight center and a #1 D.

Seems trades will make or break the Flyers, will the rookie GM be able to pull it off? They have players who will bring back value, they have a solid prospect pool, they can be creative in a trade to get back what they want, they need to take the first step this draft and then fleece someone at the TDL

what do you think the top priority should be 23 and 24, how would you do it?

ME, get into the 2nd round this draft and get into the top ten in 24, get your stud D and if you believe in miracles, get into the top 10 in 25.

- wcorvette


1) they can’t fleece anyone. They are the fleeced
2) forget trades. No reason to have confidence (by their actions and language of this fake rebuild) that they intend to really move out players that have value.
3) so basically forget any type rebuild
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 10:30 AM ET
1) they can’t fleece anyone. They are the fleeced
2) forget trades. No reason to have confidence (by their actions and language of this fake rebuild) that they intend to really move out players that have value.
3) so basically forget any type rebuild

- SMS4016

#2 is correct. Will believe it when I see it. Hell cant wait for the Hart 8 year ext this summer or whenever it is allowed per the CBA
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 26 @ 10:36 AM ET
Torts should have zero fn input in who they draft. None. He has imo no clue who these prospects are in a deep sense.

Danny will be a lap dog is my guess. Time will tell

- hello it's me 2050

the head coach should have zero input into the players that are drafted? That seems dysfunctional to me. The GM makes the call, but certainly the head coach should have some input as far as what the team needs and the type of player that will fit into the system being executed.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 10:46 AM ET
the head coach should have zero input into the players that are drafted? That seems dysfunctional to me. The GM makes the call, but certainly the head coach should have some input as far as what the team needs and the type of player that will fit into the system being executed.
- jd250

yes he should have zero input. As he is not familiar with them really at all. Was he out scouting them? Add to the fact that he will very likely not be the coach when they arrive.

Can you give me any examples of coaches having input in a teams draft?

Yes it is dysfunctional that the coach will have say in the draft and tell the GM who he wants. That is ass backwards
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 26 @ 10:46 AM ET
Ill be happy with either. I like Moore because he can just fly.

In the end I think I go with Moore because of his speed, his motor, the fact he is a CENTER, and I think he has enough skill that he can improve it as he develops.....but those WHEELS. The Flyers have no player like him in terms of pure speed. Plus I like his overall game in that he is always in the right spot. He plays a 200 foot game (The good kind
) and uses that speed to get himself in the right areas. He wins most puck races and battles simply by getting there quicker than anyone else.

If we get him we automatically have one of the fastest skaters in the league in our prospect pool.

- MBFlyerfan


Moore seems to be dropping a bit in final rankings.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 26 @ 10:48 AM ET
#2 is correct. Will believe it when I see it. Hell cant wait for the Hart 8 year ext this summer or whenever it is allowed per the CBA
- hello it's me 2050

I’ve been a hart fan since drafted. And he’s absolutely a player I trade at draft. Possibly highest point of trade value is now. If you can get a first rounder it’s a no brainer imo. For a rebuilding team anyways.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 10:53 AM ET
I’ve been a hart fan since drafted. And he’s absolutely a player I trade at draft. Possibly highest point of trade value is now. If you can get a first rounder it’s a no brainer imo. For a rebuilding team anyways.
- SMS4016

trade him 100%. now I do not give him away.

What's more likely:

1. 6-8 year ext this summer

2. He is traded.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 26 @ 10:58 AM ET
I’ve been a hart fan since drafted. And he’s absolutely a player I trade at draft. Possibly highest point of trade value is now. If you can get a first rounder it’s a no brainer imo. For a rebuilding team anyways.
- SMS4016

I love Hart but I would also make a move if the right offer is there. They aren’t icing a good team in front of him any time soon.

Ideally I’d like to package him and Provy and get a big cornerstone for this team to build around.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 26 @ 11:02 AM ET
trade him 100%. now I do not give him away.

What's more likely:

1. 6-8 year ext this summer

2. He is traded.

- hello it's me 2050


Honestly, I would like them to see them trade all of Provy, TK and Hart if they trade any of them. Probably would net 2-3 first rounders, 1-2 additional picks and 1-2 prospects. Maybe take a contract back to sweeten one of the deals. Kickstart the rebuild.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 26 @ 11:05 AM ET
Honestly, I would like them to see them trade all of Provy, TK and Hart if they trade any of them. Probably would net 2-3 first rounders, 1-2 additional picks and 1-2 prospects. Maybe take a contract back to sweeten one of the deals. Kickstart the rebuild.
- mickel25

add in Laughton as well. They have pieces to move if they are truly "rebuilding".

Wonder if Carolina would have interest in TK? Not familiar with their prospects.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 26 @ 11:10 AM ET
trade him 100%. now I do not give him away.

What's more likely:

1. 6-8 year ext this summer

2. He is traded.

- hello it's me 2050

Who knows… I can easily see then extend something like 5/30 mil

I gave it til draft maybe a little past draft for this team to make serious moves. The draft is the the best time to make realistic deals. If they nothing or very little like just trade provy then I’m out. (frank) this team
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 26 @ 11:16 AM ET
Who knows… I can easily see then extend something like 5/30 mil

I gave it til draft maybe a little past draft for this team to make serious moves. The draft is the the best time to make realistic deals. If they nothing or very little like just trade provy then I’m out. (frank) this team

- SMS4016



I’ll add I expect very little if anything to be honest. The rhetoric sure sounds more like a rebrand than rebuild. The very fact that no scouts or personnel moves made is glaring but I will wait and see
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 26 @ 11:19 AM ET
add in Laughton as well. They have pieces to move if they are truly "rebuilding".

Wonder if Carolina would have interest in TK? Not familiar with their prospects.

- hello it's me 2050


Yep they have plenty of pieces to move and plenty of teams to move to. There really is no excuse if it’s a rebuild. Draft time is best time for all involved to max return. It will be very telling for sure
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 26 @ 11:54 AM ET
add in Laughton as well. They have pieces to move if they are truly "rebuilding".

Wonder if Carolina would have interest in TK? Not familiar with their prospects.

- hello it's me 2050


I would be surprised if some of those players werent traded. Almost as surprised if all of them were traded.

A lot will come down to cap space and need as it always does with the OTHER teams. My hope is that Briere just doesn't have a sale for the sake of having a sale. Especially for guys with multiple years left. For example, I do think trading Konecny is the right thing to do. But do you try to do it now or wait for next season when he is a free agent to be? Same with Provy etc.

They may get a better deal now for the other team has cost certainty. Or waiting they get a better return at a deadline.

I hope they figure out which is better.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 11:57 AM ET
the under 25 group could turn out to be a good group

York and Andrae, York 22 and Andrae 21, they seem to be on track, when they are 25 they should be contributing at a high level. In 3 years as they hit 25 and other prospects hit their lid, if done right, the Flyers should start to make some noise in the playoffs. Zamula will be right there with them. You hope Attard can anchor a 3rd pair, a lot of hope in all this.

Tippet should be a #1 RW, Foerster should be in the middle 6, Cutter and the #7 should be in the top 6. Cates should be anchoring a 3rd line. You hope Frost is a 2C-3C depending on the matchup. They will have bottom 6 options like Desnoyers, Brink, maybe they hit on a Lycksell type guy, either way I can see they filling out the bottom six with real NHL bottom six talent. They currently have 23 picks in the next 3 drafts, that should increase with where the Flyers are today. In goal the Flyers have good, young depth that should match this timeline.

I guess you could say you still have Coots, TK and Farabee.

What is true is you have more assess than you have seats, so not only is it the right thing but they must move players.

This draft is important, next seasons TDL is important and everything that happens between now and then.

The are in a challenging spot, they need Coots and Cam to show they are healthy, you can't avoid it, if they are, the young nucleus seems good enough to be middle of the road team, the more it changes the more it stays the same.

We know trading is the only way to a different direction, as usual the ones you want to trade you can't, maybe if Cam has a real good start, you can move him. Even if all goes well with the current group of 25 and under, even if you hit on Cutter and the years #1, you will need a top 10 pick for a stud D. Yea, 2 picks in 2024, the Panther pick most likely a late 1st and with the team this coming year, the Flyers first is probably mid to low teens, will there be a stud D at 8-10, can the Flyers move up.

I am not a fan of trading TK but I get it, the timeline. I do think they should move Laughton and move Provy this summer, add a sweetener but get the highest picks possible back, or young stud prospects. You then replace them with kids, will that get the Flyers into the top 10 in 2024, not sure. Would trading TK and those 2, not sure. With the kids stepping forward in 2023, I really believe Cam and Coots will play well, well enough to offset losing a TK and Laughton, it does not feel like a bottom 10 team.

They really need to target teams that will finish bottom ten this season and see how they pry their #1 pick from them. Yea, good luck but if you are the Yotes maybe you will pay a hefty price for a Provy plus, Yotes need to show their #1 picks that they are going to be a good team, a Cooley wants to know where they are going. Yotes only have 1 first in 2024 but have 8 2nd's in 24 and 25. Chicago with the prize in 2023, and 4 firsts over the next two drafts, pretty much every player not named Jones is on an expiring contract, they will need to get to the floor, plus they will want to put some talent around CB. The Redwings have picks.

If the #7 hits and Cutter hits, all else goes well, they still need a top flight center and a #1 D.

Seems trades will make or break the Flyers, will the rookie GM be able to pull it off? They have players who will bring back value, they have a solid prospect pool, they can be creative in a trade to get back what they want, they need to take the first step this draft and then fleece someone at the TDL

what do you think the top priority should be 23 and 24, how would you do it?

ME, get into the 2nd round this draft and get into the top ten in 24, get your stud D and if you believe in miracles, get into the top 10 in 25.

- wcorvette


Tippet may be a player that you can use on the top line but he has a long way to go to reaching the level of a #1 winger in this league by himself in a vacuum.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 11:59 AM ET
Listening to Briere this morning it seems pretty clear the Flyers are staying at 7 and will pick the best player available. Assuming there will be no surprises with the first 6 picks the best players at 7 will be Oliver Moore and Ryan Leonard, both 5' 11" USHL centers and both coming off really successful WJC 18s. Everyone seems to think Leonard plays a grittier game that is much more aligned with "Flyers hockey" and I bet if Fletcher were still here he would pick Leonard, but Moore is probably the fastest skater in the draft with a higher upside. I think with Briere making the pick he is going to pick Moore if both are on the board when the Flyers pick. What say you? If you are picking at 7, which of these two players to you pick?
- jd250



Based on listening to Briere this morning. Have you given up on your fantasy belief of the Flyers trading up into the top 3?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 26 @ 12:02 PM ET
the head coach should have zero input into the players that are drafted? That seems dysfunctional to me. The GM makes the call, but certainly the head coach should have some input as far as what the team needs and the type of player that will fit into the system being executed.
- jd250


The last thing any team should be doing is basing who they draft at any level on the system that is played. Especially Tortorella's system.
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