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Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

May 27 @ 7:24 AM ET
Leafs should be fine as long as they go another year with no serious injuries, sell what ever they have left for rentals and their fans continue to be passionate narcissistic troopers.

They were right there, just a lucky bounce away. Keep doing what works.

- Glak18

i sense sarcasm 🤔
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

May 27 @ 8:21 AM ET
Bettman and Walsh (NHL PA) are gearing up for meetings to decide on a 6% cap increase for this year and the next two years following. It will move the cap up into the $100m range. Bettman has further hinted that the cap could be further increased if the PA agrees to an 84 game regular season with a shorter pre season.

The increases in cap along with the expiration of Tavares contract (2 years) suggests the Leaf should have about $30m in cap space for their long term planning. It would be silly not to try and keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander.

The math is pretty simple. If you give the big 3 an average increase of 20% on their current deals (making Mathews highest paid NHL player at $13.8m.) you will have more than $20m remaining (after Tavares) to add more depth into the roster.

- spatso

You forgot the part about saving 💰 for 97
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 27 @ 8:35 AM ET
My bro found a mint Leafs jersey in a thrift shop, and as he's a Habs fan, he gave it to me. It's a glorious #3 with the C on it and everything.

(frank)ing troll.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

May 27 @ 8:45 AM ET

Burkie for GM.
Tortorella new head coach.
Don Cherry and Sean Avery assistant coaches.
M A G I C
greenyone
Joined: 02.20.2013

May 27 @ 8:47 AM ET
Burkie for GM.
Tortorella new head coach.
Don Cherry and Sean Avery assistant coaches.
M A G I C

- MaximusAurelius

Is this the NHL equivalent to the Jerry Springer show?
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

May 27 @ 9:00 AM ET
Is this the NHL equivalent to the Jerry Springer show?
- greenyone

More class in those guys than Dubas, Keefe and friends
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

May 27 @ 9:31 AM ET
You forgot the part about saving 💰 for 97
- mr.sir


He will likely be a 30 year old and the bidding could be insane a small number of teams that are serious Cup contenders.

Not sure you will be a winner if you are the team able to sign him to a long term deal.

If you do a straight 6% increase in cap over the next four years...he could theoretically get $22m (@ 20% of cap). Most teams will pass.


sokosteve
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Gwangyang
Joined: 06.24.2018

May 27 @ 9:31 AM ET
Burkie for GM.
Tortorella new head coach.
Don Cherry and Sean Avery assistant coaches.
M A G I C

- MaximusAurelius


I could see Avery applying eye cream to the boys during TV timeouts.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

May 27 @ 9:46 AM ET
Burkie for GM.
Tortorella new head coach.
Don Cherry and Sean Avery assistant coaches.
M A G I C

- MaximusAurelius

Jordan peterson-sports psychologist 👊

sonnie johnson-dei consultant👊🏿
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

May 27 @ 9:46 AM ET
Wouldn't Shanny's endorsement of the core 4 undermine the new GM's job? is Shanny hiring a puppet?
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

May 27 @ 9:52 AM ET
His patents and published research have been cited in scientific publications nearly 600 times in the last 20~ years.


He holds 19 US patents, most of them for various types of nanocrystals.

- BINGO!

Honestly, I kind of wish this guy stayed out of hockey as it sounds like he has a lot more to offer the "real" world. Seems like a tremendous waste.

Then again, if this supra-genius can't figure out the chemistry to get the Leafs a Cup, nobody can. So... maybe not a waste if he can figure it out for us?
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

May 27 @ 9:57 AM ET
With Bob taking the Panthers to the finals and Price taking mtl to the finals. Are 10 million dollar goalies worth it? Is 7 x 10 worth it just for the chance at the cup?
- Aaron_85

Stanley Cup runs usually require a goalie going on a heater. Don't think we need to invest in a 10M tender... just need to get lucky.

Bob's career post-season stats, beyond this year (and maybe 18/19), aren't impressive.

Meanwhile, you've got guys like Matt Murray and Jordan Binnington who had Cinderella runs. 🤷
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

May 27 @ 9:58 AM ET
Wouldn't Shanny's endorsement of the core 4 undermine the new GM's job? is Shanny hiring a puppet?
- HenryHockey

Why would Shanahan say otherwise?
jsrstl1
Season Ticket Holder
St Louis Blues
Location: New Braumfels, TX
Joined: 01.08.2022

May 27 @ 10:51 AM ET
Brendan Shanahan is not a serious or even reputable person.
- BINGO!


Shanahan is a sleeze ball that Fuc@&$ his teammates wife. What a wiener , no business running any NHL team.
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

May 27 @ 10:58 AM ET
There’s an old saying that says if you threaten to quit your job you better be able to live with the consequences. I like Dubas but he blew it.
- shack67

Nah…he has money in the bank and will certainly garner interest around the league. He’ll be fine even if he takes a year off.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

May 27 @ 11:46 AM ET
At this point Shanny just needs to come out and say what most of us here already know,.. I’m going to be the interim GM for the foreseeable future as all the credible candidates want to run the team with autonomy.. and I can’t allow that -

So until I can install a puppet, I’m the guy -
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

May 27 @ 11:48 AM ET
Nah…he has money in the bank and will certainly garner interest around the league. He’ll be fine even if he takes a year off.
- HonkyTonkMan

Apparently the Pittsburg job is his if he wants it and the Penguins are giving him some time to make a decision.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

May 27 @ 11:59 AM ET
Apparently the Pittsburg job is his if he wants it and the Penguins are giving him some time to make a decision.
- shack67


The more this goes on - the more I think Leaf’s and fans will rue the day he got fired.

Not because he was doing such a great job in Leafland…… I give it C+ / B-

but because there is and was no credible plan in place for succession… and that is a serious management failure-
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

May 27 @ 12:27 PM ET
At this point Shanny just needs to come out and say what most of us here already know,.. I’m going to be the interim GM for the foreseeable future as all the credible candidates want to run the team with autonomy.. and I can’t allow that -

So until I can install a puppet, I’m the guy -

- dozerD10


Really? Shanny didn't want to fire Dubas. He had to. If a GM on an expired contract publicly says he's not sure he wants to be the GM. The owners will say ok done. Looking to blame Shanahan here is BS.
The Judge
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 08.30.2021

May 27 @ 12:29 PM ET
Really? Shanny didn't want to fire Dubas. He had to. If a GM on an expired contract publicly says he's not sure he wants to be the GM. The owners will say ok done. Looking to blame Shanahan here is BS.
- winsix


dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

May 27 @ 12:34 PM ET
Really? Shanny didn't want to fire Dubas. He had to. If a GM on an expired contract publicly says he's not sure he wants to be the GM. The owners will say ok done. Looking to blame Shanahan here is BS.
- winsix


Had to ?? nah… obviously none of us knows all the details… i’m thinking, though one on one conversation between them coulda bridged the gap..

Something along the lines of .. hey I saw your presser. I got some issues and questions about it. Let’s sit down and hash it out..

Instead, it looks like Shanny made an emotionally charged rash decision… without a plan in place.
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

May 27 @ 12:39 PM ET
The more this goes on - the more I think Leaf’s and fans will rue the day he got fired.

Not because he was doing such a great job in Leafland…… I give it C+ / B-

but because there is and was no credible plan in place for succession… and that is a serious management failure-

- dozerD10

When your gm comes out and says that he doesn’t know if he wants to come back it’s pretty hard to blame them for not having a plan in place.

Any other team that fires a gm has to go through the same process. Pittsburgh cleaned house with no idea who they would hire, everything gets blown out of proportion in Toronto.
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Location: All Ontario Scientist (Masters Level III)
Joined: 04.11.2018

May 27 @ 12:41 PM ET
To me none of the Shanny vs Dubas - who was right or shady or using tactics etc., makes no difference.

Honestly whether he is a good GM or not at this point isn't much concern. The issue is that the process hasn't worked out in a number of years for whatever the reason. It was time for a fresh approach or viewpoint.

Based on the regular season success and how close the playoffs were last couple years are clearly indications that it is close (only folks looking to chirp cause they hate would say they aren’t close) - but time for new eyes. Great work done to put up some pieces. Even if you don’t like the core taking up that much cap - they can still be used as trade capital you know.

I get that if you look at the available GMs presently you could argue that there isn’t a standout candidate but at this point something needed to change - fresh perspective is necessary.

I personally would’ve tried to lure Armstrong away and fired both shanny and Dubas - not trying to start the Army is u dear contract thing because business in the nhl goes the way it wants to you know. You can poach and figure it all out with compensation…MLSE has a lot of that.

I get those in the Team Dubas camp have feelings as do the Shanny Camp folks - The buds will move along. They are a real good hockey team with very attractive players they could move to help change the concept or construction of the group to be more playoff ready. Also have some good FAs that they picked up on Schenn Acciari Gus and even ROR depending on his ask.

The one thing they are lacking is supplies in the cupboards - prospects and picks, but they can also fix that over this next season.

Either way in my view - (using Tree as the GM candidate) Him vs Dubas will still result in a good hockey team that will or should be able to compete for a Cup. They will get to the post season. The organization won’t be doomed with or without Dubas is all I’m saying.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

May 27 @ 12:47 PM ET
Had to ?? nah… obviously none of us knows all the details… i’m thinking, though one on one conversation between them coulda bridged the gap..

Something along the lines of .. hey I saw your presser. I got some issues and questions about it. Let’s sit down and hash it out..

Instead, it looks like Shanny made an emotionally charged rash decision… without a plan in place.

- dozerD10


You are making a few assumptions here that just don't add up. First of all, based on playoff performance, Dubas was not re-newed at the the end on last season. Shanahan indicated that the board wanted to see something before they extended Dubas. I would think the same applies to Shanahan, but it is realistic. You are making the assumption and placing the blame entirely on Shanahan. I would say that there is little chance that this decision was made by him alone. He's taking the heat, but this is on Tanenbaum, Bell and Rogers. I liked Dubas, but he made a huge mistake and I doubt he will ever have a better job.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 27 @ 12:47 PM ET
Really? Shanny didn't want to fire Dubas. He had to. If a GM on an expired contract publicly says he's not sure he wants to be the GM. The owners will say ok done. Looking to blame Shanahan here is BS.
- winsix

Of course Shanahan had a choice. His main job is to make sure he has the right GM in place and then to manage the relationship between himself, GM and Board.

Negotiations can be rough processes. It was Shanny’s decision to walk away because Dubas said he needed time or because he came back with a hardball offer. Maybe he felt that this would undermine his own position or maybe the Board got pissed or maybe Tannenbaum decided it was time to bring in his pizza buddy. None of us know and we’ve only been hearing from one side. The big question though is did Dubas make himself a worse GM and can Shanny bring in someone as good. The rest is corporate politics.
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