Currently, Sanheim is the Flyers No.1 defenseman but not a true No.1 defenseman in the league.
- Pixote Andolini

Agreed.

I would guess less than we hope. At this point I’d be happy with another disgruntled or underachieving 1st round pick of a similar age who may need a change in scenery.
- mikeyo27

The Flyers may be forced into trading Frost because the coach simply doesn't want to play him and repeatedly holds him to a different standard in the entire time the coach has been here. However I don't think the time is now to trade him. They need to play him and do whatever they can to get him going and playing better.

Daniel Jones asked to be cut and the Giants obliged. That GM has to be walking out the door with him.

I would guess less than we hope. At this point I’d be happy with another disgruntled or underachieving 1st round pick of a similar age who may need a change in scenery.
- mikeyo27

This is what I am hoping. Who that is I have no idea. I don't think a draft pick would be in play because you aren't getting a 1st for him.


I also feel like sitting him is counterproductive. Torts can't sit him for the reasons he lists and then not sit Poehling, Laughton or even Cates. None of them are producing. They are struggling for offense and regardless of how Frost has been playing he is the best option at center for producing offense. Torts also can't say others are playing better so he needs to wait his turn. Nobody ahead of him has earned their spot at his expense.

This is what I am hoping. Who that is I have no idea. I don't think a draft pick would be in play because you aren't getting a 1st for him.


I also feel like sitting him is counterproductive. Torts can't sit him for the reasons he lists and then not sit Poehling, Laughton or even Cates. None of them are producing. They are struggling for offense and regardless of how Frost has been playing he is the best option at center for producing offense. Torts also can't say others are playing better so he needs to wait his turn. Nobody ahead of him has earned their spot at his expense.
- MBFlyerfan

We'll see if Laughts or Poehls experience any consequences for their dogpoop turnovers.

Especially Laughts, who not only committed the cardinal sin of coughing the puck up on zone exit (on the first (frank)ing shift of the game) but also chased the puck around the DZ like an idiot up until the goal was scored.

We'll see if Laughts or Poehls experience any consequences for their dogpoop turnovers.

Especially Laughts, who not only committed the cardinal sin of coughing the puck up on zone exit (on the first (frank)ing shift of the game) but also chased the puck around the DZ like an idiot up until the goal was scored.
- Tomahawk

This goes back to the theory that Torts treats his players differently due to his preconceived standards. In his mind I am sure Laughton has earned a much longer rope that Frost ever has, and I can understand that. I'm not sure how Poehling got such a long leash other than he skates fast. He produces next to nothing offensively.

And as we debate this...

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Frost is on the second PP unit with Farabee, Tippett, Richard and Zamula. More evidence he's coming back in.

And as we debate this...




- MBFlyerfan

Poehling and Laughton rotating on the 4th line. No TK.

Poehling and Laughton rotating on the 4th line. No TK.
- Dkos

If anything, all 5 centers should be sitting every 5th game until someone starts producing and gets to stay in the lineup on merit.

TK with a body injury?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ontgomery-and-whats-next/

4. Player-team that seem a match: Morgan Frost and Chicago. Frost didn’t play Wednesday against Carolina, the fourth game of the last five he’s watched from the press box. He’s not a complainer, prefers to keep any displeasure behind closed doors, but players want to play. Obviously, any dance needs partners who deal, but the Blackhawks, in dire need of centres, are one team that makes sense for him.

If anything, all 5 centers should be sitting every 5th game until someone starts producing and gets to stay in the lineup on merit.
- MBFlyerfan

Maybe Torts should sit the players that are playing well to punish the ones who aren't?

This goes back to the theory that Torts treats his players differently due to his preconceived standards. In his mind I am sure Laughton has earned a much longer rope that Frost ever has, and I can understand that. I'm not sure how Poehling got such a long leash other than he skates fast. He produces next to nothing offensively.
- MBFlyerfan

On top of everything in your posts that you said to emphasize it. Scratching Frost is not going to be some magic elixir to get him playing better. For a coach that many say is good for developing players, which is obviously false. He has zero feel for the game and his methods continue to be archaic. A coach with a feel for the game, who has a genuine interest in improving the player, which Tortorella doesn't. He would look at the opponents on the schedule, see a stretch of games recently against SJ, Ottawa and Buffalo and see three teams that give up scoring chances and are either mediocre or poor defensively and see an opportunity. Where the players may be able to come back and get some chances and opportunities that might get him going. Frost remains the most talented playmaking center on the team. Many are probably not aware of this, but at 5 on 5, Michkov is scoring at a lower rate offensively than every forward with the exception of Cates and Frost. So what do you have to lose by putting Frost in to play with Michkov? Other than games that don't mean a whole lot. Tortorella needs to stop being so concerned with defense and more concerned with player development. This is another example of why he continues to be the wrong coach for this team.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ontgomery-and-whats-next/
- MBFlyerfan

Frost for Bedard confirmed 😉

On top of everything in your posts that you said to emphasize it. Scratching Frost is not going to be some magic elixir to get him playing better. For a coach that many say is good for developing players, which is obviously false. He has zero feel for the game and his methods continue to be archaic. A coach with a feel for the game, who has a genuine interest in improving the player, which Tortorella doesn't. He would look at the opponents on the schedule, see a stretch of games recently against SJ, Ottawa and Buffalo and see three teams that give up scoring chances and are either mediocre or poor defensively and see an opportunity. Where the players may be able to come back and get some chances and opportunities that might get him going. Frost remains the most talented playmaking center on the team. Many are probably not aware of this, but at 5 on 5, Michkov is scoring at a lower rate offensively than every forward with the exception of Cates and Frost. So what do you have to lose by putting Frost in to play with Michkov? Other than games that don't mean a whole lot. Tortorella needs to stop being so concerned with defense and more concerned with player development. This is another example of why he continues to be the wrong coach for this team.
- MJL

He wasnt improving by playing either. At the end of the day ot doesn't matter. He is what he is at this point. He had a 15 game leash before getting scratched.

Since farabee seems to be an odd man out here would you trade him to Buffalo for Byram?

I have no idea why torts and DB would trade the only LW that we have but this is boneheaded torts that were talking about

The Flyers may be forced into trading Frost because the coach simply doesn't want to play him and repeatedly holds him to a different standard in the entire time the coach has been here. However I don't think the time is now to trade him. They need to play him and do whatever they can to get him going and playing better.
- MJL

Agreed 10000%

Torts continuing to not play frost keeps reducing his trade value. Something torts is known for, apparently

He wasnt improving by playing either. At the end of the day ot doesn't matter. He is what he is at this point. He had a 15 game leash before getting scratched.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I disagree that he is what he is at this point. A player is certainly not going to get better by not playing. He at least has a chance to get better by playing. Tortorella's coaching has been horrendous this season. With the constant line changing and resorting back to a more conservative style of play. All in a ridiculous over focus on trying to win games and losing sight of the big picture. It won't happen but they have to get Tortorella out of there.

Since farabee seems to be an odd man out here would you trade him to Buffalo for Byram?

I have no idea why torts and DB would trade the only LW that we have but this is boneheaded torts that were talking about
- Bob Habib

My question would be that Buffalo traded Middlestat for Byram. Why would they now trade Byram for Farabee?

Does anybody think if we brought in a more offensive minded coach that we could see different results from these players?

Why is there so much regression across the board here so far this season?

I'd love to hear your reasonings

Does anybody think if we brought in a more offensive minded coach that we could see different results from these players?

Why is there so much regression across the board here so far this season?

I'd love to hear your reasonings
- Bob Habib

Yes, I do. In terms of offensive play, this coaching staff is horrendous. The issue is that Tortorella would never let go of his "non-negotiables" and allow more leeway with his team offensively. The overall issue though continues to be talent and they need better center play.

The Flyers may be forced into trading Frost because the coach simply doesn't want to play him and repeatedly holds him to a different standard in the entire time the coach has been here. However I don't think the time is now to trade him. They need to play him and do whatever they can to get him going and playing better.
- MJL

He got consistent playing time and was horrible, not that Poehling or Laughton has been great, but frost has dropped the ball countless times now

Does anybody think if we brought in a more offensive minded coach that we could see different results from these players?

Why is there so much regression across the board here so far this season?

I'd love to hear your reasonings
- Bob Habib

I don’t think it would be that much of a difference. Main reason is the team would be bad and it would probably result in getting crushed in the score board. Also, the players that are good, still produce. TK, Michkov, Sanheim have come a long way. Tippet was strong last year as well. These guys just aren’t any good is the bottom line. Foerester is extremely young and it’s not a straight line

The Flyers may be forced into trading Frost because the coach simply doesn't want to play him and repeatedly holds him to a different standard in the entire time the coach has been here. However I don't think the time is now to trade him. They need to play him and do whatever they can to get him going and playing better.
- MJL

Yes, that's right .. poor Frost

Frost is in the lineup tomorrow against Chicago. Let's see if we even notice him.

My question would be that Buffalo traded Middlestat for Byram. Why would they now trade Byram for Farabee?
- MJL

That's easy, the Sabres want to help the Fyers get better.