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Mike Augello
Commissioner
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.25.2006

May 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
Mike Augello: Dubas Dismissal Could Spur Mass Exodus
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

May 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
who's being traded by the new GM?
optimus-reim
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.21.2011

May 27 @ 1:36 PM ET
who's being traded by the new GM?
- dmnted





No one. Seven years of losing and they were going to bring back Dubas.
MLSE just wants money and low profile moves to keep the gravy train flowing.
Imagine being terrible employee for seven years and then getting a raise and a phone call from CEO thanking you for your hard work. Wild, wild stuff coming out of Canada these days.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

May 27 @ 1:59 PM ET
If Shanny even knows Chiapets number should be fired for that alone…

I actually want him to hire Chia Pet … that way Vertank can trade Derek Grant & 2 3rds for Willy … and Chiapet can say well… He kills penalties and he’s a Center….
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 27 @ 2:13 PM ET
who's being traded by the new GM?
- dmnted

Who’s trading the new GM?
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 27 @ 2:41 PM ET
Treliving, Botterill, Chiarelli, Bergevin.

🤔

Shanahan is going to need to do better than this, imo. He needs a home run here.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

May 27 @ 2:49 PM ET
Treliving, Botterill, Chiarelli, Bergevin.

🤔

Shanahan is going to need to do better than this, imo. He needs a home run here.

- fifty__missions


This is what I meant by not having a plan in place, even if you did have serious disagreements with Dubas…

Tree is the only one that gets a grade better than a D.

Also, how many people will Dubas take if he takes the Pittsburgh job?
You could be looking to fill multiple front office positions.

Time is of the essence-
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

May 27 @ 2:52 PM ET
No one. Seven years of losing and they were going to bring back Dubas.
MLSE just wants money and low profile moves to keep the gravy train flowing.
Imagine being terrible employee for seven years and then getting a raise and a phone call from CEO thanking you for your hard work. Wild, wild stuff coming out of Canada these days.

- optimus-reim


If you're simple enough to think a GM is rated by his employer entirely by numbers of playoff rounds then yes that would be true. A GMs job however is much more than draft a player sign a player trade a player. Maybe learn about the job and try again.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 27 @ 2:54 PM ET
This is what I meant by not having a plan in place, even if you did have serious disagreements with Dubas…

Tree is the only one that gets a grade better than a D.

Also, how many people will Dubas take if he takes the Pittsburgh job?
You could be looking to fill multiple front office positions.

Time is of the essence-

- dozerD10


It's a poopshow, I agree. It's also pretty clear Kyle was negotiating with a plan B in his pocket, and Shanahan wasn't. This is why I think Shanny needs a home run here. His ass is on the line.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 27 @ 2:55 PM ET
If you're simple enough to think a GM is rated by his employer entirely by numbers of playoff rounds then yes that would be true. A GMs job however is much more than draft a player sign a player trade a player. Maybe learn about the job and try again.
- joel878

Dubas was just ok. Kinda like James Reimer. I've said it 1000 times 1000 different ways: the salary structure (frank)ed this team from properly balancing the roster.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

May 27 @ 3:04 PM ET
Treliving, Botterill, Chiarelli, Bergevin.

🤔

Shanahan is going to need to do better than this, imo. He needs a home run here.

- fifty__missions


I don't know how. There's not much to hit.

Chiarelli is by far the worst.

Botterill has little experience and the experience he did have wasn't stellar - his drafting was ok, his signings were internal - Eichel 8x$10m and Skinner 8*$9m - and his trades were spotty. A couple of times they identified talented guys (Montour, Miller), but it was almost too early for them.

Bergevin, who I don't like much, actually has some decent hits in his track record, but also a number of misses. He is a gigantic fan of 2nd round picks judging by his trading history.

Treliving is riding high on a couple of big deals, but overall he grades out below average.

shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

May 27 @ 3:07 PM ET
It's a poopshow, I agree. It's also pretty clear Kyle was negotiating with a plan B in his pocket, and Shanahan wasn't. This is why I think Shanny needs a home run here. His ass is on the line.
- fifty__missions

I think it was on overdrive that someone said that the new gm will be gifted a team that you can pencil in for at least 105 points before the season even starts.
That’s no small thing.
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

May 27 @ 3:31 PM ET
Please hire chiapet. I want him gone from the Blues organization. Since he was hired the Blues stink ha ha
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 27 @ 3:35 PM ET
who's being traded by the new GM?
- dmnted

I'm starting to really think no one will be traded right away. I think there is something in the reports of Shanahan's calls to the players, and what he said at his presser - that changes might not necessarily occur right away. He mentioned next trade deadline in his presser. I think he wants stability to get the Matthews and Nylander contracts done. Then, I could see the focus shifting to a core shakeup.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 27 @ 3:41 PM ET
It's a poopshow, I agree. It's also pretty clear Kyle was negotiating with a plan B in his pocket, and Shanahan wasn't. This is why I think Shanny needs a home run here. His ass is on the line.
- fifty__missions

He’s probably ok if he hires the best buddy of his boss
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 27 @ 3:45 PM ET
Baseball been berry, berry good to me

https://twitter.com/chris...&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

May 27 @ 4:12 PM ET
Dubas was just ok. Kinda like James Reimer. I've said it 1000 times 1000 different ways: the salary structure (frank)ed this team from properly balancing the roster.
- fifty__missions


My point was to do more with his contribution as GM was not just to do with the roster.

"It was Dubas, then the assistant GM to Lamoriello, who oversaw the addition of Jeremy Bettle and the creation of a sports science department. It was Dubas, with the support of head coach Sheldon Keefe, who oversaw the expansion of a skill development program that allowed players to hone their abilities throughout the season.

Auston Matthews and John Tavares, in particular, have raved about the operation. Players like Conor Timmins spent morning after morning with skating coach Paul Matheson while skill development consultants like Denver Manderson joined the team for skill sessions on the road. The Leafs even brought their practice goalie, Andrew D’Agostini, on road trips, even the long ones, to spare their regular goaltenders some wear and tear.

That didn’t exist in the pre-Dubas era. There was no “process” in place, an organization-wide way of doing things that trickled down from the top into every corner of the organization. Information was more siloed in the Lamoriello days. After Dubas became GM that changed. Staff members from the research and development departments started attending practice regularly. The dress code was relaxed. Players and staff were free to sport facial hair and felt more comfortable being themselves. "

There is much more to being a GM than the names on jerseys, and it's probably not a coincidence that the people who have always been vocal about hating Dubas cannot seem to provide more insight than about a player on the team or the result of a season. They may as well be screaming "I actually have no idea what a GM actually does"
sssteve
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 08.31.2008

May 27 @ 4:18 PM ET
The MLSE board might hear some opinions regarding personel that go against their thinking, Will they go with a guy with balls or will they go with a guy that will tow the company line.?
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

May 27 @ 4:24 PM ET
I'm starting to really think no one will be traded right away. I think there is something in the reports of Shanahan's calls to the players, and what he said at his presser - that changes might not necessarily occur right away. He mentioned next trade deadline in his presser. I think he wants stability to get the Matthews and Nylander contracts done. Then, I could see the focus shifting to a core shakeup.
- fifty__missions

He better at least fix the coaching situation.

And while you may be right, I think it's the wrong move not to trade at least 1 of the core 4-5. In this order:

(Tavares)* obviously this is a no so....

Marner
Nylander
Rielly
Matthews* ONLY if he won't sign pre July 1st There is no way this team can lose him to free agency. NO.(frank)ING.WAY. Send him to Chicago at the draft and get Bedard and Seth Jones or Connor Murphy.

Matthews for 1stOA-Bedard and Seth Jones. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

Matthews for 1st OA-Bedard and Connor Murphy. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

May 27 @ 4:25 PM ET
This is what I meant by not having a plan in place, even if you did have serious disagreements with Dubas…

Tree is the only one that gets a grade better than a D.

Also, how many people will Dubas take if he takes the Pittsburgh job?
You could be looking to fill multiple front office positions.

Time is of the essence-

- dozerD10


I call bs. Make a good hire, keep adding, get better. Next time you poop on him, remember, these were his assets when he was given the keys.

Carter Ashton
Casey Bailey
Jonathan Bernie
Troy Bodie
David Booth
Tyler Bozak
T.J. Brennan
Eric Brewer
Sam Carrick
David Clarkson
Tim Erixon
Cody Franson
Matt Frattin
Jake Gardiner
Petter Granberg
Peter Holland
Korbinian Holzer
Olli Jokinen
Nazem Kadri
Phil Kessel
Leo Komarov
Brandon Kozun
Josh Leivo
Joakim Lindström
Joffrey Lupul
Andrew MacWilliam
Greg McKegg
Colton Orr
Richard Pánik
Stuart Percy
Dion Phaneuf
Roman Polák
James Reimer
Morgan Rielly
Stéphane Robidas
Mike Santorelli
Zach Sill
Trevor Smith
James van Riemsdyk
Daniel Winnik
Azuredoom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.14.2019

May 27 @ 4:32 PM ET
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Azuredoom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.14.2019

May 27 @ 4:33 PM ET
Dubas was just ok. Kinda like James Reimer. I've said it 1000 times 1000 different ways: the salary structure (frank)ed this team from properly balancing the roster.
- fifty__missions


Half Agree, If COVID didn't happen and the cap was going up as expected those contracts would not have been as onerous as they ended up.
Azuredoom
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.14.2019

May 27 @ 4:34 PM ET
He better at least fix the coaching situation.

And while you may be right, I think it's the wrong move not to trade at least 1 of the core 4-5. In this order:

(Tavares)* obviously this is a no so....

Marner
Nylander
Rielly
Matthews* ONLY if he won't sign pre July 1st There is no way this team can lose him to free agency. NO.(frank)ING.WAY. Send him to Chicago at the draft and get Bedard and Seth Jones or Connor Murphy.

Matthews for 1stOA-Bedard and Seth Jones. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

Matthews for 1st OA-Bedard and Connor Murphy. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

- underhill14


Probably Chicago
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 27 @ 4:36 PM ET
He better at least fix the coaching situation.

And while you may be right, I think it's the wrong move not to trade at least 1 of the core 4-5. In this order:

(Tavares)* obviously this is a no so....

Marner
Nylander
Rielly
Matthews* ONLY if he won't sign pre July 1st There is no way this team can lose him to free agency. NO.(frank)ING.WAY. Send him to Chicago at the draft and get Bedard and Seth Jones or Connor Murphy.

Matthews for 1stOA-Bedard and Seth Jones. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

Matthews for 1st OA-Bedard and Connor Murphy. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

- underhill14


Matthews can’t sign pre-July 1. Teams aren’t going to know the cap going forward until the next GMs meeting (late June?) when they might get some idea about the next few years. Matthews said he wants to stay and the Leafs want to keep him so he’ll likely get done unless a new GM comes in and does some dumb deals.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

May 27 @ 5:02 PM ET
Matthews can’t sign pre-July 1. Teams aren’t going to know the cap going forward until the next GMs meeting (late June?) when they might get some idea about the next few years. Matthews said he wants to stay and the Leafs want to keep him so he’ll likely get done unless a new GM comes in and does some dumb deals.
- Canada Cup


Agree, he probably re-signs.
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