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Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Dec 15 @ 1:21 PM ET
Folks have difficulty accepting the season changed entirely when the fans booed the kids on home ice. Fragile egos have not and, likely will not recover, from that moment.

Many of the Sens top young players learned the game playing in front of US crowds. American fans cheer their team to incentivize them towards accomplishment. Canadian fans cheer their team to celebrate success.

I don't know if any of this can be fixed in the short term. Firing DJ will add to their sense of failure.

I think that is what Staios and Andulauar are struggling with at this moment. Are they dangerously close to making a significant move that will be interpreted as the beginning of a phase 2 rebuild?

Maybe the mistake was made in not replacing Dorion sooner.

- spatso


I dunno man, a US crowd just booed Jordan Kyrou for what was perceived as a glib dismissal of Berube after his firing... It's not so easy to blanket statement national crowd behaviour. Poor Kyrou afterwards showed in his reaction how much he cared about the fan response. The reality is more and more young players in this game aren't receptive to unconstructive negative criticism. Look how Keefe walks on eggshells and constantly walks back criticality with his stars - I do think it's correct to assert that young folks today are more inclined to respond to positive than negative reinforcement, but in the stands much of hockey fandom remains old school. It's a very expensive hobby to attend, so fans do have real skin in the game, I get the frustration, but booing the team is counterintuitive - it isn't going to yield the results you hope to see.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Dec 15 @ 1:29 PM ET
It has nothing to do with the fans booing. Their fragile ego, It has everything to do with poor construction of the roster. All to young. Not enough leadership or line of sens heritage on ice. Traded stone,pageau.
Ottawa is a blue print of what not to do in a rebuild.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Dec 15 @ 1:54 PM ET
If fans booing for poor play , effects the fragile egos of nhl players. They are soft.
In the usa, highschool football is immensly scrutinized. Average age 16. People go full on booing. Usa high school football gets more media attention then the nhl. And are not afraid to be negative about the 16 year old
Did you ever see a more boring crowd for a stanley cup final then the florida panthers? During the season tickets are 2 for 1 at rock bottom prices. And still dont sell out. Yet its a preffered destination for nhl players. Nhl players are soft.
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Dec 15 @ 2:15 PM ET
Unless this team is on the verge of signing a new GM, the team needs to install an interim head coach ASAP. The players need a new voice to listen to.
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Dec 15 @ 2:16 PM ET
I dunno man, a US crowd just booed Jordan Kyrou for what was perceived as a glib dismissal of Berube after his firing... It's not so easy to blanket statement national crowd behaviour. Poor Kyrou afterwards showed in his reaction how much he cared about the fan response. The reality is more and more young players in this game aren't receptive to unconstructive negative criticism. Look how Keefe walks on eggshells and constantly walks back criticality with his stars - I do think it's correct to assert that young folks today are more inclined to respond to positive than negative reinforcement, but in the stands much of hockey fandom remains old school. It's a very expensive hobby to attend, so fans do have real skin in the game, I get the frustration, but booing the team is counterintuitive - it isn't going to yield the results you hope to see.
- Bartacus


EXACTLY
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Dec 15 @ 3:06 PM ET
Tim Stutle with only 6 goals is a head scratcher for me.
Seems to be playing well and getting lots of assists but with his talent he should have at least 10-12 by now.
What's up with that?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 15 @ 3:15 PM ET
Tim Stutle with only 6 goals is a head scratcher for me.
Seems to be playing well and getting lots of assists but with his talent he should have at least 10-12 by now.
What's up with that?

- Rang


I think both Tkachuck and Stutzle have struggled since being separated.
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Dec 15 @ 3:30 PM ET
Fragile egos ! Really. Well , for positive reinforcement, let's give them all a medal and a participation trophy.

AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Dec 15 @ 7:07 PM ET
That was a missed opportunity when butch cassidy was briefly available
- spazzbot
1000% !
I was in favor of that.... but even Craig Berube and Gerard Gallant (they have been to the cup finals recently or won a cup!!)
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Dec 15 @ 7:07 PM ET
Fragile egos ! Really. Well , for positive reinforcement, let's give them all a medal and a participation trophy.
- OttawaB
I think this is the problem with DJ - he is too soft / doesn't command the respect of players. I think they like him more than respect him.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Dec 15 @ 7:08 PM ET
I think both Tkachuck and Stutzle have struggled since being separated.
- spatso
Agree - but Stutzle is likely dealing with something.

If they shut him down - the playoffs are gone.

Sens should either get a top 5 pick or go on a crazy run - it's the in between that kills me! Why tf did Dorion give a 7th pick for a midget player for 1 year
AxlRose91
Joined: 09.24.2013

Dec 15 @ 7:51 PM ET
Every decision made by this franchise has been awful. What a complete disaster
PogBoi
Season Ticket Holder
Ottawa Senators
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 08.27.2020

Dec 15 @ 11:59 PM ET
Time for a rebuild I guess? Lololol
dcz28
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.20.2006

Dec 16 @ 12:38 AM ET
I've said it many times before, the problem with the Sens is mainly behind the bench. The roster has enough talent to be a playoff team but i can't see them ever doing it with that coach. I said this for a while and said it again when a lot of people were predicting the Sens and Buffalo (i said Buffalo needed a good goalie to make the playoffs) ahead of the Wings so easily.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Dec 16 @ 1:28 AM ET
They blew three leads tonight. How does someone NOT get fired?
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Dec 16 @ 1:30 AM ET
Awful goaltending tonight, yet again.....
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Dec 16 @ 4:56 AM ET
The problem still remains the same. Team fired Dorion but did not replace him. Staios now stands alone, he decides and is now responsible for calling the shots.

So what happens if Staios fires and replaces DJ and the on ice performance does not improve? Now the fans start calling for changes on the ice. So, we are hammered back into a new rebuild era and some of the young guys start looking for ways out.

New ownership has clearly fumbled their first shot of transition.

It looks like some of the kids have already given up on Ottawa fans.

This is a mess and the first rule of fixing messes is stop digging!

We may be about to discover that trading Ryan O'Reilly and Jack Eichel are not a solution to our problems.
TDBSenatoR
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 09.28.2018

Dec 16 @ 5:46 AM ET
Everything you're seeing out of players attitudes towards fans will change the second winning happens. Winning changes everything.

Where Staios has disappointed me is I'd rather he show that people get held accountable than show a demeanor of patience and avoiding overreaction.

I get it. He doesn't want to project impulsiveness however DJ has more than earned getting sacked. He is simply just not good enough. Canning him isnt being overreactive or impulsive. At this point it just shows a willingness to hold men accountable for their results in this results based business. You cannot win if you do not show that you are willing to deal with failure appropriately.

This does not mean you need to hire a new HC you can still wait until you get a new GM at the end of the year. If JM serves as interim, fine. The team might improve, it might not, but at least you showed that DJ was held responsible for years of failure.

And if players take that personally and give up on you then at least you know for sure you have the wrong players on your team and you can attempt roster reconstruction at that point.
Crosside
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.14.2019

Dec 16 @ 6:47 AM ET
The problem easy to fix. Name Roy gm and coach with Hartley assistant and check the team win 8 in row like Edmonton

If Brady ask for a trade because we fired DJ That would not be a big lost
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Dec 16 @ 3:11 PM ET
The problem still remains the same. Team fired Dorion but did not replace him. Staios now stands alone, he decides and is now responsible for calling the shots.

So what happens if Staios fires and replaces DJ and the on ice performance does not improve? Now the fans start calling for changes on the ice. So, we are hammered back into a new rebuild era and some of the young guys start looking for ways out.

New ownership has clearly fumbled their first shot of transition.

It looks like some of the kids have already given up on Ottawa fans.

This is a mess and the first rule of fixing messes is stop digging!

We may be about to discover that trading Ryan O'Reilly and Jack Eichel are not a solution to our problems.

- spatso


I'll put money down that a new coach would improve things for sure! They've shown they can play at a high level (I should say the RIGHT new coach). It shouldn't be this hard man. These are hockey execs - they should bring in the right coach. Berube and Gallant would improve this team right away.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Dec 16 @ 3:41 PM ET
The definition of stupidity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yes, the goaltending and the puck luck could be better, but at a certain point you throw what you can at the wall and see what sticks. Six seasons - always the same problems:
- promise of postseason gone by the New Year
- repeatedly collapsing in the second period

If we get our games played up to par with the league and we are still in the basement, you have to imagine anybody with skin in this team would try something - anything new. We have a huge sample size to assess from this bench boss - it has never changed. We say the players have more talent than what we see, we see #11 power ranking ratings, but honestly until we get somebody else running the show, I don't know what to believe any more. Maybe the team just doesn't have enough talent, poise, responsibility, leadership.
optimus-reim
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.21.2011

Dec 16 @ 7:35 PM ET
Sens Writer: Holiday "Fun" With Numbers
- khawk

Craig Berube would make Ottawa a contender.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Dec 17 @ 4:42 AM ET
Craig Berube would make Ottawa a contender.
- optimus-reim

Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Dec 17 @ 9:35 PM ET
Ouch. Guy scored a goal after the penalty had been called. Shows how beatable our goalies have been. This game has been frustrating, Ottawa cannot seem to control possession for any prolonged period
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

Dec 17 @ 9:49 PM ET
Well, I can see our road trip from hell continues. You go DJ .... you da man.

But its good to know our leadership/ownership group is studying the situation and doesn't want to rush into anything.


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