If you are telling us you don't think he should even be a centre and are backing it up with comments about this team needing a 2c. , and he is a better winger than a center, then how else does that sound? You continued to go on about him being a winger and not a centre.

It's totally fair to read your opinion as you not thinking he's a good centre with these comments.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...?thread_id=186423&page=16

"If you are being realistic Petey is not the top line center. In fact I am not sure he should be playing center at all. How many here have said we need a second line center.



He is a very talented player but he is a better winger than center and should be making Turtlechuck money. That is smart cap financing by FLA and they went to the cup last year. Toronto paying top heavy has not paid off and Calgary paying Hubbie has not worked either."

"He is definitely a top 3 winger but a center? I would ask why so many on here say we need a second line center as a top priority if Petey is a center?"

"Why is everyone on this site looking for a 2C?"

As far as Petey being a better winger than C? Based on what? 100 + point C last season with 39 goals and finished top 10 in the league in points. Most of this season in the middle and on pace to do it again... what case can be made he is a better winger than C?
- boonerbuck

In everything you posted I did not once say he is not a good center. He can fill the job if need be but he would not be my first choice. I don't think he is great at face offs and I think he is not strong on the puck.

I have no problem how you guys think about him so I am not sure why my thoughts have to eat up pages and pages. Some think he is a 12 mil player, I don't, I think the team would be making a big mistake.

I think he is a very good winger and should be playing wing but sure he can also fill as a second line center if need be. Lets see what PA thinks in the next six weeks.

Eriksson Ek and Rossi have 67 points combined this season. Pettersson has 61 and plays center
- NorthNuck

Thanks Tips


I wasn't sure how to use Cap Friendly so now I don't need to check.

Thanks Tips


I wasn't sure how to use Cap Friendly so now I don't need to check.
- VANTEL

I'm pointing out how insane it is that you're suggesting adding 2 of the Canucks top prospects to a deal where you're already trading down on a top 10 forward in the NHL

I'm pointing out how insane it is that you're suggesting adding 2 of the Canucks top prospects to a deal where you're already trading down on a top 10 forward in the NHL
- NorthNuck

Rossi is on pace for sixty points in his first full year on a ELC. Ek is on pace for seventy five points at a AAV of 5.25 mil for the next six years and is 26 years old.

I really have no time and even more importantly don't care about someone that dumps on everything.

Sure paying Petey 12 mil is okay for a guy that doesn't even win half his faceoffs.

Fantasy selling point from JR.

Canada has not won a cup in over thirty years. Be the guy to bring the cup home. Come back to the place where you scored the biggest goal of your life. The Golden Goal. Be Canada's Hockey.

Crosby Guentzel for Petey a first and Likker.
- VANTEL

This has the potential to ruin the Canucks. A 36 y/o with 1 more season on his contract and a UFA? Out goes A 25 y/o top 10 C, 1st rounder and their best prospect.

For those thinking it is horrible deal Rossi's numbers are very close to Peteys for his first year. Wait until the end of the year to see if he keeps up the pace.

Rossi is on pace for sixty points in his first full year on a ELC. Ek is on pace for seventy five points at a AAV of 5.25 mil for the next six years and is 26 years old.

I really have no time and even more importantly don't care about someone that dumps on everything.

Sure paying Petey 12 mil is okay for a guy that doesn't even win half his faceoffs.
- VANTEL

I'm not dumping on everything I'm simply challenging your suggestion for the sake of discussion. Pettersson is on pace for over 100 points again this year playing primarily as a center.

You know who has a worse faceoff rating than Petey this year? The current MVP of the season Nate Mack who is sitting at 47.6%. I suppose he isn't worth his contract either.

This has the potential to ruin the Canucks. A 36 y/o with 1 more season on his contract and a UFA? Out goes A 25 y/o top 10 C, 1st rounder and their best prospect.
- boonerbuck

I don't even think there is an offer on the table. That is why I said Fantasy first word.

It makes no sense at all unless Canucks are not bringing Petey back and JR fires his load this year.

Like I said it is just me speculating so no one has to get excited, but my gut feeling is Petey will be traded in the off season. I have changed my mind in the last few days because of some things I have read but it is only my hunch and I will be the first to say it has no backing.

I don't even think there is an offer on the table. That is why I said Fantasy first word.

It makes no sense at all unless Canucks are not bringing Petey back and JR fires his load this year.

Like I said it is just me speculating so no one has to get excited, but my gut feeling is Petey will be traded in the off season. I have changed my mind in the last few days because of some things I have read but it is only my hunch and I will be the first to say it has no backing.
- VANTEL

I don't think anyone is accusing you of saying it will happen, just debating that the cost/benefit seems quite far off.

I'm not dumping on everything I'm simply challenging your suggestion for the sake of discussion. Pettersson is on pace for over 100 points again this year playing primarily as a center.

You know who has a worse faceoff rating than Petey this year? The current MVP of the season Nate Mack who is sitting at 47.6%. I suppose he isn't worth his contract either.
- NorthNuck

This is the same GM that walked away fro Bo Horvat who had 37 goals 70 pts last year at 8 mil per.

Don't be too sure PA is offering EP 12 mil

I'm not dumping on everything I'm simply challenging your suggestion for the sake of discussion. Pettersson is on pace for over 100 points again this year playing primarily as a center.

You know who has a worse faceoff rating than Petey this year? The current MVP of the season Nate Mack who is sitting at 47.6%. I suppose he isn't worth his contract either.
- NorthNuck

There's been a lot of excellent C's who have only been average on the dot. Also, there's been a lot of role players who have been dominant on the dot. It's not a strong point in an argument.

There's been a lot of excellent C's who have only been average on the dot. Also, there's been a lot of role players who have been dominant on the dot. It's not a strong point in an argument.
- boonerbuck

It really isn't. It's so easy to point to the fact that Petey hits and blocks more shots than the average C and has above average defensive metrics and then you realize a sub 50 faceoff % doesn't matter. It's good that he's improving so much at draws but it's not going to win or lose games.

I don't think anyone is accusing you of saying it will happen, just debating that the cost/benefit seems quite far off.
- NorthNuck

Exactly. It gets posted... it gets debated. That is the definition of a forum discussion.

Exactly. It gets posted... it gets debated. That is the definition of a forum discussion.
- boonerbuck

How about: 2 1sts, 2nd, Kuzy, Likker, one of Brzustewicz/Raty/D Petey for Tkachuk and a 7th. Ottawa is a hole and Tkachuk wants to play with Hughes. BFFs.

There's been a lot of excellent C's who have only been average on the dot. Also, there's been a lot of role players who have been dominant on the dot. It's not a strong point in an argument.
- boonerbuck

It is not your strong point but it is a thing I place very high on mine. Puck possession is half the battle.

Exactly. It gets posted... it gets debated. That is the definition of a forum discussion.
- boonerbuck

Is not debating. It is mocking.

Just for the record.

It is not your strong point but it is a thing I place very high on mine. Puck possession is half the battle.
- VANTEL

If you care a lot about puck possession I have fantastic news for you about Petey's possession numbers. Spoiler alert: They are better than Eriksson Ek's

If you care a lot about puck possession I have fantastic news for you about Petey's possession numbers. Spoiler alert: They are better than Eriksson Ek's
- NorthNuck

Six million dollars a year better?

I'm pointing out how insane it is that you're suggesting adding 2 of the Canucks top prospects to a deal where you're already trading down on a top 10 forward in the NHL
- NorthNuck

This notion of Vantel and others, which is completely ludicrous, that Elias Pettersson isn't a good first line center is beyond laughable. Ok, I get it, people don't like or understand his game, that's fair. He's not a powerful skater, he's just average on faceoffs, he's not physically strong or overpowering. He has room to improve areas and the consistency of his game, he's not an "elite" center....there are only a small handful of them in the league, that's why they're elite. However. You cannot simply deny his performance. Last year was his first year as a full time center and he had 102 points, three NHL centers had more points than him.

This year at just over the halfway point in the season there are again only three centers ahead of him in points. Is he an elite center, no, he is however one of the best centers in the league. He's like Sebastian Aho, who's one of the best centers in the league next to the elite guys like McDavid and MacKinnon. He's never going to be that. Whatever the cap is going to be going forward, he's certainly worth around 13% of it for what he does for the Canucks.

This has the potential to ruin the Canucks. A 36 y/o with 1 more season on his contract and a UFA? Out goes A 25 y/o top 10 C, 1st rounder and their best prospect.
- boonerbuck

They are not going to trade Pettersson unless he comes out and says I don't want to play in Vancouver...which is highly highly unlikely.

Six million dollars a year better?
- VANTEL

Coupled with the fact Petey will score like 40 more points a year, yes.

This notion of Vantel and others, which is completely ludicrous, that Elias Pettersson isn't a good first line center is beyond laughable. Ok, I get it, people don't like or understand his game, that's fair. He's not a powerful skater, he's just average on faceoffs, he's not physically strong or overpowering. He has room to improve areas and the consistency of his game, he's not an "elite" center....there are only a small handful of them in the league, that's why they're elite. However. You cannot simply deny his performance. Last year was his first year as a full time center and he had 102 points, three NHL centers had more points than him.

This year at just over the halfway point in the season there are again only three centers ahead of him in points. Is he an elite center, no, he is however one of the best centers in the league. He's like Sebastian Aho, who's one of the best centers in the league next to the elite guys like McDavid and MacKinnon. He's never going to be that. Whatever the cap is going to be going forward, he's certainly worth around 13% of it for what he does for the Canucks.
- Pacificgem

I suppose it's similar to the Sedins. All the way through their careers there were folks who didn't understand the way they played and resented them for it. Meanwhile they should have been enjoying having 2 top 100 players of all time on the same team at the same time.

Yeah, Petey is in the 2nd tier of top Centers in the league, but that's only because the top tier only has space for like 4 or 5 guys. Past that top group there aren't any other Cs in the league I'd rather have to be honest

This notion of Vantel and others, which is completely ludicrous, that Elias Pettersson isn't a good first line center is beyond laughable. Ok, I get it, people don't like or understand his game, that's fair. He's not a powerful skater, he's just average on faceoffs, he's not physically strong or overpowering. He has room to improve areas and the consistency of his game, he's not an "elite" center....there are only a small handful of them in the league, that's why they're elite. However. You cannot simply deny his performance. Last year was his first year as a full time center and he had 102 points, three NHL centers had more points than him.

This year at just over the halfway point in the season there are again only three centers ahead of him in points. Is he an elite center, no, he is however one of the best centers in the league. He's like Sebastian Aho, who's one of the best centers in the league next to the elite guys like McDavid and MacKinnon. He's never going to be that. Whatever the cap is going to be going forward, he's certainly worth around 13% of it for what he does for the Canucks.
- Pacificgem

And yet people who actually know hockey like PA don't have him as first line center on the team.

Never gets called out to take the important draws in fact PA sends out Suter as choice number two.

In Key situatins of defending say a five on three Miller again i the go to guy.

It is not your strong point but it is a thing I place very high on mine. Puck possession is half the battle.
- VANTEL

If it were half the battle and him being average on the dot was such a negative factor, he would be a poor possession player and wouldn't be a top 10 C.

It's an arguing point but not a very strong one.

What else you got that supports your argument that he should be a winger not C?