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- TheSabresTaco

That is correct ?

That’s a very bold statement. I would have bet the farm on some of this last year too.
Don’t ever discount just how bad this GM is and the loyalty to terrible players
- lulags

Half of those guys WANT to be out of here. So I've already got a leg up.

EJ and Kyle are all but cooked. Girgensons is the only guy I'm unsure of.

Last year, he ran it back because they served a role. All of them.

I won't justify their pay but I understand their existence, at least at that point. Now?

Out of that pile, EJ Okposo and Girgensons are the ones to barely justify a roster spot. Don't read too much into that and don't mistake that factual statement for my support of their existence here.

What would you propose to use to acquire said Tkachuk? Cause it's going to be a pretty rough (frank).
- TheSabresTaco

It is, but I believe you get what you pay for, and the pain of trading away players should be exceeded by the benefit realized with a player of Tkachuk's ilk.

We saw yesterday that a posted CF trade for Kaprizov was:
- Mitts
- Savoie
- 24-1st
- 25-2nd

Brady Tkachuk is a much different player, but still very productive with many other attributes I think would change the culture and results...more that Kaprizov although what a scoring machine he is!

I think less than above, but it would hurt...maybe something like:
- Tage (Cozens?)
- Kulich
- 25-1st
Gets close one way or another. Add on either side to balance.

Half of those guys WANT to be out of here. So I've already got a leg up.

EJ and Kyle are all but cooked. Girgensons is the only guy I'm unsure of.

Last year, he ran it back because they served a role. All of them.

I won't justify their pay but I understand their existence, at least at that point. Now?

Out of that pile, EJ Okposo and Girgensons are the ones to barely justify a roster spot. Don't read too much into that and don't mistake that factual statement for my support of their existence here.
- TheSabresTaco

My prediction for deadline.

Only player that gets moved is Johnson. We get a 5th and retain 1/2 his salary.

The rest of the GM’s offer 7th round picks and want salary retained on others. Adams farks around too long on counters or makes stupid counters, so no one else gets moved.
He resigns at least one of the aforementioned deadweight players to a 1 year deal this summer.

I would like to fire up the Nick Jensen machine again.

My prediction for deadline.

Only player that gets moved is Johnson. We get a 5th and retain 1/2 his salary.

The rest of the GM’s offer 7th round picks and want salary retained on others. Adams farks around too long on counters or makes stupid counters, so no one else gets moved.
He resigns at least one of the aforementioned deadweight players to a 1 year deal this summer.
- lulags

My prediction for deadline.

Only player that gets moved is Johnson. We get a 5th and retain 1/2 his salary.

The rest of the GM’s offer 7th round picks and want salary retained on others. Adams farks around too long on counters or makes stupid counters, so no one else gets moved.
He resigns at least one of the aforementioned deadweight players to a 1 year deal this summer.
- lulags

One thing that usually gets lost in the TDL is that a lot of teams have garbage to sell. So unless there's a unique trait attached to that garbage (cheap depth/leadership/PK ability) they're unlikely to be sold.

Now, I think EJ, Girgensons, Okposo and Bryson have those qualities. Bryson because he doesn't need waivers, so an org can stash him till after the deadline or for the playoffs. The rest can be used in depth roles and leadership.

I have significant doubts that Kyle will move. It would need to be a very strong deal to even ask him. He's very involved in his kids' activities and I think he'd rather stay here.

- washedup20

They need to save that money for when Donald gets fired and they need to pay his new contract out.

They need to save that money for when Donald gets fired and they need to pay his new contract out.
- TheSabresTaco

lol name one person
- TheSabresTaco

july 1st 2:23 pm

As of right now, buffalo, jersey and maybe carolina are better on paper than they were last year. Every other contender in the east has stepped backward. The east will be tough but not the grinder it was last year.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=175


Ffs man it's been 2.5 hrs. He's making moves, Clifton does make us better.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I like the signings so far. I bet they keeps 20 goals off the board next year.

Both are capable d Men

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I think its cause half the east actively got worse.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

this is the good one from gerbe

I wouldn't worry goalie is coming + more

Buffalo is not even close to being done .

Just enjoy the ride it will be fun
july 2 2023 131 pm

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=196

And ultimately all of the female dogging comes down to 4th line wingers and backup goalie. This is a really good roster other than those spots, and the 4th line is actually decent. And yes, the offseason isn't over yet.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=201

this post may be the most off 6 months later

Am I fine with it? Sure, I am *fine*. I don't love going back in with UPL but otherwise I think that this is a very good roster

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=202


this post was great, except it was halloween when levi was wore out

I *love* Levi. But their plan here is ridiculous. They're setting themselves up to wear him out by Christmas if this is their plan.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=206

a lot of people wanted us to get hart in that blog as well

july 1st 2:23 pm

As of right now, buffalo, jersey and maybe carolina are better on paper than they were last year. Every other contender in the east has stepped backward. The east will be tough but not the grinder it was last year.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=175


Ffs man it's been 2.5 hrs. He's making moves, Clifton does make us better.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I like the signings so far. I bet they keeps 20 goals off the board next year.

Both are capable d Men

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I think its cause half the east actively got worse.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

this is the good one from gerbe

I wouldn't worry goalie is coming + more

Buffalo is not even close to being done .

Just enjoy the ride it will be fun
july 2 2023 131 pm

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=196

And ultimately all of the female dogging comes down to 4th line wingers and backup goalie. This is a really good roster other than those spots, and the 4th line is actually decent. And yes, the offseason isn't over yet.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=201

this post may be the most off 6 months later

Am I fine with it? Sure, I am *fine*. I don't love going back in with UPL but otherwise I think that this is a very good roster

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=202


this post was great, except it was halloween when levi was wore out

I *love* Levi. But their plan here is ridiculous. They're setting themselves up to wear him out by Christmas if this is their plan.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=206

a lot of people wanted us to get hart in that blog as well
- homiedclown

We were promised Good Day

A lot of those posters mentioned above have been MIA.

"Just enjoy the ride"

The ride:

Terry hears you, and appreciates you:


- washedup20

Even Adams knows Pineapple doesn't belong on pizza OR nachos. He's a moron, not a neanderthal.

We were promised Good Day
- Hank Balling

™

july 1st 2:23 pm

As of right now, buffalo, jersey and maybe carolina are better on paper than they were last year. Every other contender in the east has stepped backward. The east will be tough but not the grinder it was last year.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=175


Ffs man it's been 2.5 hrs. He's making moves, Clifton does make us better.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I like the signings so far. I bet they keeps 20 goals off the board next year.

Both are capable d Men

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I think its cause half the east actively got worse.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

this is the good one from gerbe

I wouldn't worry goalie is coming + more

Buffalo is not even close to being done .

Just enjoy the ride it will be fun
july 2 2023 131 pm

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=196

And ultimately all of the female dogging comes down to 4th line wingers and backup goalie. This is a really good roster other than those spots, and the 4th line is actually decent. And yes, the offseason isn't over yet.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=201

this post may be the most off 6 months later

Am I fine with it? Sure, I am *fine*. I don't love going back in with UPL but otherwise I think that this is a very good roster

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=202


this post was great, except it was halloween when levi was wore out

I *love* Levi. But their plan here is ridiculous. They're setting themselves up to wear him out by Christmas if this is their plan.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=206

a lot of people wanted us to get hart in that blog as well
- homiedclown

wow you did the labor on this one. nice work. I still don't see anyone saying or inferring 'winning the offseason', but the satisfaction with the peripheral moves were definitely in the minority.

"Just enjoy the ride"

The ride:


- Hank Balling

That’s the euthanasia coaster! Perfect for Sabres hockey

That’s the euthanasia coaster! Perfect for Sabres hockey
- Gr8daygo

Buckle up. We're headed to Hockey Heaven where every day is Good Day™️

I was neutral on Kyle/Zemgus. They did their jobs last season.

Very low on EJ. Don't recall how I felt about Clifton but I don't think I minded too much in a bottom pair role.

Jost was (frank)ing dumb.

Keeping Olofsson was (frank)ing dumb. I assumed Bryson to waivers for depth.

july 1st 2:23 pm

As of right now, buffalo, jersey and maybe carolina are better on paper than they were last year. Every other contender in the east has stepped backward. The east will be tough but not the grinder it was last year.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=175


Ffs man it's been 2.5 hrs. He's making moves, Clifton does make us better.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I like the signings so far. I bet they keeps 20 goals off the board next year.

Both are capable d Men

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

I think its cause half the east actively got worse.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=176

this is the good one from gerbe

I wouldn't worry goalie is coming + more

Buffalo is not even close to being done .

Just enjoy the ride it will be fun
july 2 2023 131 pm

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=196

And ultimately all of the female dogging comes down to 4th line wingers and backup goalie. This is a really good roster other than those spots, and the 4th line is actually decent. And yes, the offseason isn't over yet.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=201

this post may be the most off 6 months later

Am I fine with it? Sure, I am *fine*. I don't love going back in with UPL but otherwise I think that this is a very good roster

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=202


this post was great, except it was halloween when levi was wore out

I *love* Levi. But their plan here is ridiculous. They're setting themselves up to wear him out by Christmas if this is their plan.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...thread_id=184024&page=206

a lot of people wanted us to get hart in that blog as well
- homiedclown

I don't think I'm in here, but I still think this team is massively underproducing and it was the changes to structure and strategy that caused our downfall. Boot Donny for a good coach and IMO, we're in a playoff spot today.

I don't think I'm in here, but I still think this team is massively underproducing and it was the changes to structure and strategy that caused our downfall. Boot Donny for a good coach and IMO, we're in a playoff spot today.
- QuinnFan

I will die on this hill. And I will never excuse The Conversationalist.

I don't think I'm in here, but I still think this team is massively underproducing and it was the changes to structure and strategy that caused our downfall. Boot Donny for a good coach and IMO, we're in a playoff spot today.
- QuinnFan

The team wasn't good enough last year when everyone had career years. I don't see how they'd be in a playoff spot with the same roster with Herb Brooks coaching but we'll never know.

Or maybe we will when Kevyn gives us the same roster next year too

The team wasn't good enough last year when everyone had career years. I don't see how they'd be in a playoff spot with the same roster with Herb Brooks coaching but we'll never know.

Or maybe we will when Kevyn gives us the same roster next year too
- Hank Balling

The core of this team is good enough. The goalie play is good enough. The periphery is D- and the coaching staff is F--

This goalie play last year has us above the WC.

If I haven't already lost my mind on this team, you just (frank)ing wait till July 1.

I don't think I'm in here, but I still think this team is massively underproducing and it was the changes to structure and strategy that caused our downfall. Boot Donny for a good coach and IMO, we're in a playoff spot today.
- QuinnFan

I am curious how many back up goalies they played last season vs the beginning of this season?

I also am curious how many teams wrote the Sabres games off last season vs coming prepared (for the start of the season at least) this season.

The blurred lines between the talent on this roster and them being a good team is odd to me...they have never proven they can succeed when it matters.

New front office is desperately needed, they will move out a significant portion of this roster though proving the players are not the right build for a winning team.

The core of this team is good enough. The goalie play is good enough. The periphery is D- and the coaching staff is F--

This goalie play last year has us above the WC.

If I haven't already lost my mind on this team, you just (frank)ing wait till July 1.
- TheSabresTaco

Not before Christmas, it wasn't (aka when the games still mattered)