MAF in case you were not watching, crapped the bed many times in key games not only here but in other situations World Junior championship Vegas and then some of the playoff gaffes while here were like Joe Biden trying to put two sentences together
He made some of the worst performances ever as a Penguin goalie Look it up He cost them a few playoff series when he should have been the key to winning

And here is something you might no consider Why did Team Canada never come calling for him He was the Number one overall pick in his draft year and they never came calling Why They did not trust him Do some research and you will be more informed than you are now
- broncohorvath

Just like you.

I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking.

Just like you.

I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking.
- Thunderbolt

That may be one of the most ironic things I've ever read.

That being said, I've always thought MAF was just good, not great, for the better part of his career. My biggest gripe is that he's fundamentally flawed and had to rely on his crazy athleticism more often than most goalies would, and it worked out with mixed results. Again, not bad, but not great either

15 years from now, there should only be 4 numbers hanging from the rafters. Malkin Letang and MAF shouldn’t be up there.

15 years from now, there should only be 4 numbers hanging from the rafters. Malkin Letang and MAF shouldn’t be up there.
- Grinder47

I agree! I think that Sid's number will be retired. Pens didn't retire Ron Francis or other Pittsburgh greats (number wise). Which makes me believe it will only be Sid who gets his number retired.

So who else is waiting to hear what Dubas has to say? We all know it's starting to get old hearing excuse after excuse from Dubas, and Sullivan. Just do something! Fire someone! Make a big shake up trade! This team needs some change

Look man, Let's get this going already with the rebuild. I'm hoping FSG will say: Okay enough is enough...Fans are booing and play is lackluster, boring and horrible on the ice. The penguins do lead the league in 1 category: Fewest PIMS in the league, they are number 1 in that catagory. (thanks sully) That would be great to bad the penguins PP is what last in the league? It's redundant and when I can't sleep i'll put the penguins game on. It's better than medication.

Firing the coach isn't even going to help the penguins. FOR SALE sign should be up already. I am hoping dubas can get this started in the right direction? I don't know much about dubas but I am not impressed at all. Especially after watching this crap on ice.

As michael buffer would say: It's TIME
- jb55

Crazy that ppl are just now realizing change is needed. I think the past 5 years have been worse than the pre Crosby years…..here you’re watching crosby waste away on a bad team.

I’m not sure on dubas. Haven’t been impressed so far. I know he signed Tavares in tor but did he make any moves or just have good picks to work with?

Lol VAN is in first place…not saying Jr is involved but he’s involved.

Crazy that ppl are just now realizing change is needed. I think the past 5 years have been worse than the pre Crosby years…..here you’re watching crosby waste away on a bad team.

I’m not sure on dubas. Haven’t been impressed so far. I know he signed Tavares in tor but did he make any moves or just have good picks to work with?
- sammy87

He was good at drafting talent and signing talent (college FA's and KHL FA's). He found middle talent which worked well with his stars and they fit in well in the top ten (Bunting being one example). He made a lot of big trades and found a way to get talent for his players and prospects (Kapanen being one example). Did he miss on some trades? Yes. Have all GMs? Yes.

I think these are some reasons they brought him in. I think the other is with the Tavares deal, he is good at influencing bigger names to sign with his team. Hopefully he frees up some space this deadline and his FA skill comes in handy this FA period and we land a few big names.

He was good at drafting talent and signing talent (college FA's and KHL FA's). He found middle talent which worked well with his stars and they fit in well in the top ten (Bunting being one example). He made a lot of big trades and found a way to get talent for his players and prospects (Kapanen being one example). Did he miss on some trades? Yes. Have all GMs? Yes.

I think these are some reasons they brought him in. I think the other is with the Tavares deal, he is good at influencing bigger names to sign with his team. Hopefully he frees up some space this deadline and his FA skill comes in handy this FA period and we land a few big names.
- 123Kid

Tavarez signing with Toronto had nothing to do with Dubas . Playing for Toronto was his lifelong dream. Dubas had no influence. Dubas is a clown all he did with Toronto is build a losing team around the best player in the league.

Crazy that ppl are just now realizing change is needed. I think the past 5 years have been worse than the pre Crosby years…..here you’re watching crosby waste away on a bad team.

I’m not sure on dubas. Haven’t been impressed so far. I know he signed Tavares in tor but did he make any moves or just have good picks to work with?
- sammy87

Yes, he did very well in TO but had Shanahan dictating things and thats why he's not still there. He constructed the Leafs all time best regular season in their 100+ year history roster two seasons ago. Where he faulted with TO was he made goalie gambles (Samsonov and Murray) that didnt pay off and Samsonov is the main reason that they didnt out the Panthers in round 2 last season...well, that and Bob was looking like a world beater. The Cats also outed the best regular season team of all time in the 1st round, went on to the finals after putting TO out in the 2nd.

In his other GM duties he totally turned around the Greyhounds in the OHL then went on to be GM of the Marlies in the AHL getting them a championship.

I am surrouned by Leafs fans where I live and any of them who real hockey guys hated seeing him go, thought he was the best GM they had in a long time. You get Leafs fans stopping in here though to point the finger and say he sucks. The Leafs are worse in every single conceivable metric this season without his direction.

7 months is way too short to evaluate a GM's work IMO.

Tavarez signing with Toronto had nothing to do with Dubas . Playing for Toronto was his lifelong dream. Dubas had no influence. Dubas is a clown all he did with Toronto is build a losing team around the best player in the league.
- hfc355

You calling someone a clown is rich hahaha

Hard not to wonder at this point if FSG is dictating things regarding Sullivan....

Hard not to wonder at this point if FSG is dictating things regarding Sullivan....
- MattStrat

Lots of talk on the airwaves of how Dubas publicly aligned himself with Sullivan right away in his tenure here. Now to back peddle that like he back peddled “Toronto or nothing” just shows he will say anything to appease the public and his bosses.

Crazy that ppl are just now realizing change is needed. I think the past 5 years have been worse than the pre Crosby years…..here you’re watching crosby waste away on a bad team.

I’m not sure on dubas. Haven’t been impressed so far. I know he signed Tavares in tor but did he make any moves or just have good picks to work with?
- sammy87

I think Dubas did a poor job in Toronto but not sure how much of that was decisions Shanny forced.

Karlsson trade - good/neutral.
Smith trade - bad.
Graves signing - bad.
Jarry extension - good... So far.
Bottom 6 moves - bad.
Yager draft pick - great... Looking like a stud right now.
Coaching - TERRIBLE. Conference today, I have a feeling Sully stays and he announces they are retooling.

I was against hiring him but I think he has proven to be creative. Going to need something out of left field if we are going to turn around and compete again soon.

I think Dubas did a poor job in Toronto but not sure how much of that was decisions Shanny forced.

Karlsson trade - good/neutral.
Smith trade - bad.
Graves signing - bad.
Jarry extension - good... So far.
Bottom 6 moves - bad.
Yager draft pick - great... Looking like a stud right now.
Coaching - TERRIBLE. Conference today, I have a feeling Sully stays and he announces they are retooling.

I was against hiring him but I think he has proven to be creative. Going to need something out of left field if we are going to turn around and compete again soon.
- MacPatty

Haha. Karlson very (frank) ing bad. Smith maybe sullivan’d/ doesn’t play well with free lancing Russians, Graves bad, bottom six moves -ok. Jarry- he had no other move.

I think Dubas did a poor job in Toronto but not sure how much of that was decisions Shanny forced.

Karlsson trade - good/neutral.
Smith trade - bad.
Graves signing - bad.
Jarry extension - good... So far.
Bottom 6 moves - bad.
Yager draft pick - great... Looking like a stud right now.
Coaching - TERRIBLE. Conference today, I have a feeling Sully stays and he announces they are retooling.

I was against hiring him but I think he has proven to be creative. Going to need something out of left field if we are going to turn around and compete again soon.
- MacPatty

What do you have to base that on? let me guess...no cup?

I think Dubas did a poor job in Toronto but not sure how much of that was decisions Shanny forced.

Karlsson trade - good/neutral.
Smith trade - bad.
Graves signing - bad.
Jarry extension - good... So far.
Bottom 6 moves - bad.
Yager draft pick - great... Looking like a stud right now.
Coaching - TERRIBLE. Conference today, I have a feeling Sully stays and he announces they are retooling.

I was against hiring him but I think he has proven to be creative. Going to need something out of left field if we are going to turn around and compete again soon.
- MacPatty

Funny thing is almost everyone but Grinder liked all those moves (EK he hated from get go). Quite a few of us concerned about scoring in the bottom 6 but figured they'd be much better defensively and they have been. Everyone rightfully concerned with Jarry extension too, I guess, but that hasn't been a problem at all...he blew a few games but every goalie does through the course of a season.

What do you have to base that on? let me guess...no cups?
- MattStrat

Tavares contract completely screwed their cap by pushing up salary expectations of other players on that team. Not sure if that was him or Shanny.

Had obvious needs for goalie and he completely missed. The Murray piece to that is especially damning because it shows an inability to separate personal history from reality.

Defence is shambles. Went fully top loaded and did not do well with depth. Let Hyman, the exact type of player they needed, walk over a $5.5M contract.

Now, they have some good prospects drafted under him coming up, which he deserves credit for. But again, I didn't say he was terrible and I am open minded on what he can do here.

Tavares contract completely screwed their cap by pushing up salary expectations of other players on that team. Not sure if that was him or Shanny.

Had obvious needs for goalie and he completely missed. The Murray piece to that is especially damning because it shows an inability to separate personal history from reality.

Defence is shambles. Went fully top loaded and did not do well with depth. Let Hyman, the exact type of player they needed, walk over a $5.5M contract.

Now, they have some good prospects drafted under him coming up, which he deserves credit for. But again, I didn't say he was terrible and I am open minded on what he can do here.
- MacPatty

They were around a top 5 defense team in his last couple of seasons as their GM, though? Muzzin going down was a bit of a blow to the corps as well.

That may be one of the most ironic things I've ever read.

That being said, I've always thought MAF was just good, not great, for the better part of his career. My biggest gripe is that he's fundamentally flawed and had to rely on his crazy athleticism more often than most goalies would, and it worked out with mixed results. Again, not bad, but not great either
- jmatchett383

Can't argue with any of this. I liked Fluery then and I still like him now. But, I am in the canmp that says no to retiring his number.

I think he gets in the Hall of Fame, based almost entirely on his longevity. The HOF has become the Hall of the Pretty Good. Not just in hockey, everywhere. The Rock and Roll HOF has turned itself into a joke.

Crazy that ppl are just now realizing change is needed. I think the past 5 years have been worse than the pre Crosby years…..here you’re watching crosby waste away on a bad team.
- sammy87

I think you're forgetting how awful the Pens team was pre-Crosby (and even the first season with Crosby). This team may be more disappoitning, but they're nowhere near as bad.

What do you have to base that on? let me guess...no cup?
- MattStrat

Only getting out of the1st rd once

Can't argue with any of this. I liked Fluery then and I still like him now. But, I am in the canmp that says no to retiring his number.

I think he gets in the Hall of Fame, based almost entirely on his longevity. The HOF has become the Hall of the Pretty Good. Not just in hockey, everywhere. The Rock and Roll HOF has turned itself into a joke.
- Thunderbolt

If Kevin Lowe can get in, I don't see why MAF can't as well.

15 years from now, there should only be 4 numbers hanging from the rafters. Malkin Letang and MAF shouldn’t be up there.
- Grinder47

I agree with retiring Max "Superstar" Talbot's number, but you don't think Crosby deserves it as well?

Only getting out of the1st rd once
- hfc355

Yeah its too bad they had to face the borderline dynasty team Tampa Bay a few times.

Playoffs are a strange animal. The Pens had far superior on paper teams that lost in the 1st, 2nd and swept in 3rd rounds over the years than the teams that won the back to backs in 2016 & 2017.

After a mid season lull your Rangers are looking lethal again. Wouldn't be surprised to see them in the finals this year.