Nylander had been traded!

Edit; late

Sorry for length here - but I know jrbout and others like the idea of waiting and also site NMC. I get that opinion for sure but don’t like it as the approach for the Leafs specifically.

The NMC: the one thing to understand about pro hockey players (maybe pro athletes in general who knows) is they are ego driven. A healthy ego drive in their cases. They will not stay where they aren’t wanted. Maybe refuse and play out a year but not stay after that. There are exceptions to this but typically they will waive and control their move.
In terms of the impact that has on perception or reputation of the organization - it’s a risk reward thing. It may make some players look poorly on the team cause they hand out NMC then ask to waive but for most part they won’t care much - especially if team is successful. That’s the risk reward. Winning for a player is a cure all. Fractured relations with coaches, teammates or anyone else gets lessened by winning.

Waiting for Cap to go up and use room to keep both 16/88 to me is flawed:
1. This forces you to rely on who’s a UFA - who’s to say there is a player that fills team need available.
2. Bidding wars to attract leading to overpaying - get into same situation with cap that way.
3. Who’s to say they even choose to play for you.

There are too many questions with that theory in my opinion. Just an opinion but I feel trading high end talent and using those assets to turn into multiple pieces to round out roster then use cap increase and go hard after 1 big name to add makes more sense. Waiting and hoping the UFA market lines up with your needs seems risky.
- Big23Questions

This is very fair but the NMC already exist with both 16 and 88 so Tre is handcuffed and really doesn't have the final say in the matter. Could have moved Nylander this year I guess. Correct me if I am wrong have you not been saying Leafs would be better off moving Mitch?

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- dozerD10

Nice, one day…..
Except the drive
Have fun
💙

Dude I was just saying it wasn't much work. In almost every blog you post multiple times Leafs need to move Mitch or Nylander. We get it you don't think they can win with both at a high salary. But moving them at this point is probably less realistic than them winning witn one of them. Can you please go back and show me one post where I responded to AA in this blog, even though he has said some questionnable stuff. Way to drag other people into the argument.
- jribout

Bro - you overreacted by posting nmc like a mental about. 30 times and came at me in an insulting me because you felt I’ve stated (and you’re right just not your dramatic “every blog”) trade one of 16/88. I have said it a bunch when the discussion has been about roster composition or trading one…case it’s relevant. I would bet the farm that it accounts for less than 5% of my posts on here since I’ve joined. I like exaggeration and dramatizing to illustrate a pin t sometimes too but your dead wrong man.

You have a weird hate for AA I think it pre dates me but your obsession with chirping him directly and/or passive aggressively shows.

Again, I will drag or say whatever I want my man. Until I cross the line and I typically won’t.

Just take it easy man. Should be a good game tonight.

Bro - you overreacted by posting nmc like a mental about. 30 times and came at me in an insulting manner because you felt I’ve stated (and you’re right just not your dramatic “every blog”) trade one of 16/88. I have said it a bunch when the discussion has been about roster composition or trading one…case it’s relevant. I would bet the farm that it accounts for less than 5% of my posts on here since I’ve joined. I like exaggeration and dramatizing to illustrate a pin t sometimes too but your dead wrong man.

You have a weird hate for AA I think it pre dates me but your obsession with chirping him directly and/or passive aggressively shows.

Again, I will drag or say whatever I want my man. Until I cross the line and I typically won’t.

Just take it easy man. Should be a good game tonight.
- Big23Questions

Sounds good I will live by your rule of saying whatever I please, especially when you constantly bring up a roster composition the unfortunately the Leafs are stuck with for the next 2 years. Yeah it annoys me when you just babble on about something that cannot really be fixed. Write whatever you want, it when it is almost as useless and repetitive as the constant Nylander bashing expect to get some blowback.

This is very fair but the NMC already exist with both 16 and 88 so Tre is handcuffed and really doesn't have the final say in the matter. Could have moved Nylander this year I guess. Correct me if I am wrong have you not been saying Leafs would be better off moving Mitch?
- jribout

Yes correct! I would all day move 16. So good but costs now and will cost next contract much more. He’s also a better player (by a tick) and would get more probably. Problem is what he got last contract is what he should get now so the next one he won’t provide enough overall vs 88 for the cash.

But ya man again I see the wait and nmc thought as I said. That’s a way to look at it too, I just disagree is all.

Monkey appreciate your posts with stats to back them up.

Is there a stat out there for individual players setting up high danger chances?
- jribout

AllThreeZones has this type of data but it's very raw and rough to work with. Most of the information is available in a tableau style graph not really easily obtainable data.

But if you take your question the presentation of the setup of HD opportunities & resulting shots is considered a combined part of the view.

The Leaf leader in HD setups is actually Auston Matthews with 2.6 HD setups / 60, and .75 result in a shot. For context, the median line is probably about 0.7 for both, so Matthews is above average. Nylander has about 1.52 setups / 60, but his setups result in more shots - 1.9/60. Marner has about 1.56 setups / 60, but only 0.39 /60 result in shots.

As a project, the AllThreeZones is . . .a work in progress. There's a lot of uncollected or unparsed data so far - for instance it shows Tavares or Domi's pass rate, but not the resulting shots.

Ultimately I think it does reflect a certain accuracy in what we'd think - in that Marner's 5v5 passing often struggles because he does try and push it when there isn't a play available. Matthews tends to be a much safer player, and Nylander will hold the puck and circle. For as much as we know Marner has a more effective defensive game in the D-zone, Nylander and Matthews do tend to turn the puck over less in the O-zone by making more safe or smart passes. But if you give Marner a lane on a less pressured PP, Marner will eat you alive.

Nice, one day…..
Except the drive
Have fun
💙
- mr.sir

Always do the SoCal thing - Vegas / Az / sometimes SJ …

Did Van and Seattle this yr also… sweet … 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Yes correct! I would all day move 16. So good but costs now and will cost next contract much more. He’s also a better player (by a tick) and would get more probably. Problem is what he got last contract is what he should get now so the next one he won’t provide enough overall vs 88 for the cash.

But ya man again I see the wait and nmc thought as I said. That’s a way to look at it too, I just disagree is all.
- Big23Questions

You lost me. You can hate the NMC but as I believe Monkey and maybe others pointed out most of the top players have one. So how realistic is it to get rid of a player who has one, is playing with the best shooter in the NHL and playing in his home town?

What hat did you pull this out of HOHO?

You posted it in both threads but nobody seems to ask why. What are you talking about?
- underhill14

Alex. Traded from Pitt to CBJ

Sounds good I will live by your rule of saying whatever I please, especially when you constantly bring up a roster composition the unfortunately the Leafs are stuck with for the next 2 years. Yeah it annoys me when you just babble on about something that cannot really be fixed. Write whatever you want, it when it is almost as useless and repetitive as the constant Nylander bashing expect to get some blowback.
- jribout

Well that’s a bit of an odd interpretation.

My point was that YOU cannot tell what I am able to think or type. Not that I will say whatever I want in general. Not sure it’s a “my rule” type thing - that’s a bit mature no?

Again, not constantly bringing up things randomly, but certainly expressing my opinion when it’s within the context of what’s being discussed by others.

I’m sorry you are annoyed? Not sure what to say about your sensibilities on that one. Maybe don’t get annoyed by trivial stuff? But you do as you please man.

I’ve never gotten blowback by anyone about this topic to be honest except for you. Im sure I type a lot of stuff folks may be annoyed with and they just choose to move along. I do the same most of the time here as well. I think you are making hockeybuzz a bit too intense eh.

I feel the roster comp can be fixed….that’s the point of sharing my thoughts on how I think it could be you know? That was the point.

AllThreeZones has this type of data but it's very raw and rough to work with. Most of the information is available in a tableau style graph not really easily obtainable data.

But if you take your question the presentation of the setup of HD opportunities & resulting shots is considered a combined part of the view.

The Leaf leader in HD setups is actually Auston Matthews with 2.6 HD setups / 60, and .75 result in a shot. For context, the median line is probably about 0.7 for both, so Matthews is above average. Nylander has about 1.52 setups / 60, but his setups result in more shots - 1.9/60. Marner has about 1.56 setups / 60, but only 0.39 /60 result in shots.

As a project, the AllThreeZones is . . .a work in progress. There's a lot of uncollected or unparsed data so far - for instance it shows Tavares or Domi's pass rate, but not the resulting shots.

Ultimately I think it does reflect a certain accuracy in what we'd think - in that Marner's 5v5 passing often struggles because he does try and push it when there isn't a play available. Matthews tends to be a much safer player, and Nylander will hold the puck and circle. For as much as we know Marner has a more effective defensive game in the D-zone, Nylander and Matthews do tend to turn the puck over less in the O-zone by making more safe or smart passes. But if you give Marner a lane on a less pressured PP, Marner will eat you alive.
- Monkeypunk

When I think about it those numbers do not surprise me. Teams key on Matthews so I would imagine whoever is playing with him would be more open meaning getting more chances and having more time to get a shot off. This would also help Willie but not to the same degree. As for Marner he probably gets some tougher passes through in tighter areas that could hinder the opportunity for the recipient to get a shot off.

Thanks as always for the info.

You lost me. You can hate the NMC but as I believe Monkey and maybe others pointed out most of the top players have one. So how realistic is it to get rid of a player who has one, is playing with the best shooter in the NHL and playing in his home town?
- jribout

I posted the answer. You responded to it. Now I’m lost? Ha. It was my post regarding nmc and waiting for cap. I think it’s very realistic.

Each team has specific circumstances, they are built different not a one size fits all thing. Most teams with players who have nmc clauses don’t have multiple at the dollar cap amount leafs do not do they all have the glut of the same type players all signed to them. That’s why I said specifically the leafs. I feel their situation warrants asking one to waive, which I personally believe they would. Maybe not in season and they would absolutely look to call their shot with probably a few teams but I feel a pro player wants to be wanted and had that pride and ego.

All good though man moving on here eh

Well that’s a bit of an odd interpretation.

My point was that YOU cannot tell what I am able to think or type. Not that I will say whatever I want in general. Not sure it’s a “my rule” type thing - that’s a bit mature no?

Again, not constantly bringing up things randomly, but certainly expressing my opinion when it’s within the context of what’s being discussed by others.

I’m sorry you are annoyed? Not sure what to say about your sensibilities on that one. Maybe don’t get annoyed by trivial stuff? But you do as you please man.

I’ve never gotten blowback by anyone about this topic to be honest except for you. Im sure I type a lot of stuff folks may be annoyed with and they just choose to move along. I do the same most of the time here as well. I think you are making hockeybuzz a bit too intense eh.

I feel the roster comp can be fixed….that’s the point of sharing my thoughts on how I think it could be you know? That was the point.
- Big23Questions[/

Fair I guess we just have vastly different opinions on how easy it is to move a player with a NMC that is content on their current team

Knock knock…

Stick a fork in the Lightning.

I'm calling it - they miss the playoffs this year.

Go Leafs!

I'm off to bed. Still sick. 🤢

I posted the answer. You responded to it. Now I’m lost? Ha. It was my post regarding nmc and waiting for cap. I think it’s very realistic.

Each team has specific circumstances, they are built different not a one size fits all thing. Most teams with players who have nmc clauses don’t have multiple at the dollar cap amount leafs do not do they all have the glut of the same type players all signed to them. That’s why I said specifically the leafs. I feel their situation warrants asking one to waive, which I personally believe they would. Maybe not in season and they would absolutely look to call their shot with probably a few teams but I feel a pro player wants to be wanted and had that pride and ego.

All good though man moving on here eh
- Big23Questions

You lost me. I am lost.

Stick a fork in the Lightning.

I'm calling it - they miss the playoffs this year.

Go Leafs!

I'm off to bed. Still sick. 🤢
- GalacticStone

But you’re going to miss all the bickering in here.

But you’re going to miss all the bickering in here.
- Woderwick

Yeah sorry this time I am actually trying to understand,(well after my initial post showing my annoyance with constantly suggesting we move someone with a NMC) Took me a while I am a bit slow, but some think it is a lot easier to move one of Mitch or Willie than I do.

New Riff Rye on tap here.

You lost me. I am lost.
- jribout

Ya sorry man that was a weird way to try and respond.

The post was me trying to explain that the leafs situation is different than other teams who have players on nmc.

Most teams with those top players who have nmc are not structured like leafs. Most don’t need to ask to waive cause they don’t have multi players who play same game all with nmc like leafs do.

Also that due to how a pro player is built I think it’s realistic to ask them to move and they would.

Just tried to answer your questions there - maybe not well eh sorry bud

Stick a fork in the Lightning.

I'm calling it - they miss the playoffs this year.

Go Leafs!

I'm off to bed. Still sick. 🤢
- GalacticStone

Redwings look like they are getting in. I am headed to their Caps game next week to watch the old man.

Yeah sorry this time I am actually trying to understand,(well after my initial post showing my annoyance with constantly suggesting we move someone with a NMC) Took me a while I am a bit slow, but some think it is a lot easier to move one of Mitch or Willie than I do.
- jribout

Bang on - I absolutely think it’s easier.

Ya sorry man that was a weird way to try and respond.

The post was me trying to explain that the leafs situation is different than other teams who have players on nmc.

Most teams with those top players who have nmc are not structured like leafs. Most don’t need to ask to waive cause they don’t have multi players who play same game all with nmc like leafs do.

Also that due to how a pro player is built I think it’s realistic to ask them to move and they would.

Just tried to answer your questions there - maybe not we’ll eh sorry bud
- Big23Questions

All is good....

Redwings look like they are getting in. I am headed to their Caps game next week to watch the old man.
- Drapz

Don’t you jinx it man! Shhh