NEW TRADE :

To Ducks : Picks and prospects

To Leafs :


- GalacticStone

That looks remarkably like that scene at the end of Trading Places, Al Franken, etc. on the train.

Yeah, in a hot market, for a "unicorn" (RD), a 3rd and a 6th is not the end of the world.

Plus we did get a prospect back, so basically we paid a 3rd or a 6th, depending on if that dude ever plays a game over here for us.

More importantly, we still have the 1st to get a better RD.

Seeing as Brodie is on an expiring contract with a M-NTC, does Brad swing big and move Brodie + 1st?

Surprisingly, nobody is talking about that as a possibility, but it's clear that Brodie isn't any better than McCabe at this point in his career, and we know the Rielly-Brodie pairing isn't good enough for a deep playoff run...
- gravyface

I doubt tre moves Brodie, and hes been much better on the left side. Keefe just has to keep him there.
The prospect will most likely never see an nhl game...maybe an ahl game?
But we still have a week, lots can change. I could see one of our in and out of the roster depth forwards being packaged with maybe lilly and late round picks for a slight upgrade.

Man Treeliving is an awful GM. I had low expecations, but this trade feels like wasted assets. I feel like he will end up in the press box. I am good with trading a 3rd, but not for a player who isnt really better then anyone back there right now.

The Prospect I see out there mentioned is Tverberg, not sure how much value he has tbh.

But a 1st, Tverberg and maybe something else should get a decent player back.

Doubt they move Cowan or Minten. unless its a Rasmus Andersson type return.

but..i dont think the leafs do much more actually. maybe a minor move or 2

Man Treeliving is an awful GM. I had low expecations, but this trade feels like wasted assets. I feel like he will end up in the press box. I am good with trading a 3rd, but not for a player who isnt really better then anyone back there right now.
- Archaic

you are really overvaluing a 3rd round pick

Brodie is making like 7.5M to end his contract and he does have m-ntc.
I would keep the first for the draft.
- dmnted

Also I have heard repeatedly that since Brodie is dealing with his wife's MS diagnosis and health issues, the Leafs have no intention of trading him.

Man Treeliving is an awful GM. I had low expecations, but this trade feels like wasted assets. I feel like he will end up in the press box. I am good with trading a 3rd, but not for a player who isnt really better then anyone back there right now.
- Archaic

who's the RHD playing for the Leafs who isn't injured?

Also I have heard repeatedly that since Brodie is dealing with his wife's MS diagnosis and health issues, the Leafs have no intention of trading him.
- Monkeypunk

well she was diagnosed years ago, but yeah the leafs need all the D they can find

Indeed Schenn with Reilly turned out well. Reilly had a monster playoffs (which has translated to a wonderful season this year), and yet the Leafs only won one round.

I'm praying that Tree paid the extra for cap space to ensure a shot at something much better than Boosh!

I can't help but think Robertson (and more) will be on the block for a bigger deal.

Still a need for a top 4 RHD and solid 3rd line center. Maybe a 2nd line center if you're looking to keep Tavares on the third.
- Leaffrog

I wonder how other teams view Robertson. Do they see a young player with point-per-game results in the AHL that can't get PP time on a loaded first PP unit in Toronto? Or do they see him as an undersized prospect that can't consistently establish himself as an NHLer. I'm guessing the thoughts vary from team to team.

I doubt tre moves Brodie, and hes been much better on the left side. Keefe just has to keep him there.
The prospect will most likely never see an nhl game...maybe an ahl game?
But we still have a week, lots can change. I could see one of our in and out of the roster depth forwards being packaged with maybe lilly and late round picks for a slight upgrade.
- Fakepartofme

For sure, he has, but is he better than McCabe? Keefe has already switched Rielly back to the left side, because he's desperately trying to sort out that pairing.

I'm against moving Lilly. First, he's hurt right now, so that's obviously going to hurt his trade value. Secondly, his trade value regardless of injury isn't great, despite being a RD. Third, this team will always need a rightie unless there is some Divine Intervention and we somehow draft/develop too many. Fourth, he's at that make/break point where defensemen suddenly figure it out and elevate their game.

Despite kicking around the organization for what seems like forever, he's still young and hasn't play that many games (181).

It's not until 200+ games that you get a good picture of what an NHLer is/isn't. I still remember Stralman.

Man Treeliving is an awful GM. I had low expecations, but this trade feels like wasted assets. I feel like he will end up in the press box. I am good with trading a 3rd, but not for a player who isnt really better then anyone back there right now.
- Archaic

Lyubushkin is better than Lagesson. He is better than a concussed Giordano or a Timmins who has mono or a broken spirit or whatever-he-has-now.

If the acquisition of an RHD lets us move Brodie to the left-side, where he has finally returned to playing good hockey, then it would be its own reward. While Rielly was out and they went with pairings of Brodie (L) - Liljegren (R), McCabe (L) - Benoit (R) and Giordano (L) - Lagesson (R) the D looked more sound.

If we could go with:

Brodie - Liljegren
McCabe - Benoit
Rielly - Lyubushkin

There is an immediate benefit to having strong-side defenders together. Personally I feel that the Brodie - Lilly pairing might ultimately get pushed around too much, but they can separate puck from player and move the puck out of the zone from their strong side well.

well she was diagnosed years ago, but yeah the leafs need all the D they can find
- drexel

Is it getting worse? I thought this year was distinctly different. I won't say that I look into the personal lives of any players really, so this was the first year I'd heard that she had MS.

I wonder how other teams view Robertson. Do they see a young player with point-per-game results in the AHL that can't get PP time on a loaded first PP unit in Toronto? Or do they see him as an undersized prospect that can't consistently establish himself as an NHLer. I'm guessing the thoughts vary from team to team.
- Diller

He's a small, undersized shooter that plays like a small, undersized shooter. He has a lot of development to do.

Keefe doesn't trust him, and I don't blame him.

If he's cruising around 11 minutes a game, basically 4th line minutes, I'm not so sure he wouldn't be better off playing with the Marlies in all situations.

I do like him a lot better with JT, but when Jarnkrok is back? I'd send him down, he's waiver-exempt.

Is it getting worse? I thought this year was distinctly different. I won't say that I look into the personal lives of any players really, so this was the first year I'd heard that she had MS.
- Monkeypunk

They’ve become more public in working on various MS charity initiatives. None of the stories I’ve seen suggest that her condition has worsened significantly

Is it getting worse? I thought this year was distinctly different. I won't say that I look into the personal lives of any players really, so this was the first year I'd heard that she had MS.
- Monkeypunk

i presume it gets worse over time. She had it before they were married when he played out here.

Lyubushkin is better than Lagesson. He is better than a concussed Giordano or a Timmins who has mono or a broken spirit or whatever-he-has-now.

If the acquisition of an RHD lets us move Brodie to the left-side, where he has finally returned to playing good hockey, then it would be its own reward. While Rielly was out and they went with pairings of Brodie (L) - Liljegren (R), McCabe (L) - Benoit (R) and Giordano (L) - Lagesson (R) the D looked more sound.

If we could go with:

Brodie - Liljegren
McCabe - Benoit
Rielly - Lyubushkin

There is an immediate benefit to having strong-side defenders together. Personally I feel that the Brodie - Lilly pairing might ultimately get pushed around too much, but they can separate puck from player and move the puck out of the zone from their strong side well.
- Monkeypunk

I'm not sure the ordering here, but are you suggesting that Rielly and Boosh would be bottom pairing in "spirit" or minutes?

Gudbranson 50% retained
Kuraly 50% retained

for

Kampf
Robertson
Tverberg
Voit

Man Treeliving is an awful GM. I had low expecations, but this trade feels like wasted assets. I feel like he will end up in the press box. I am good with trading a 3rd, but not for a player who isnt really better then anyone back there right now.
- Archaic

Rielly seemed to play well with Boosh flanking him in the past... no?

Gudbranson 50% retained
Kuraly 50% retained

for

Kampf
Robertson
Tverberg
Voit
- mr.sir

i have no idea if this is good or bad, and had to look up what team they were on.
but this feels like a Gudbranson or Labushkin not both type of TDL..not both

also know nothing about kuraly

I wonder how other teams view Robertson. Do they see a young player with point-per-game results in the AHL that can't get PP time on a loaded first PP unit in Toronto? Or do they see him as an undersized prospect that can't consistently establish himself as an NHLer. I'm guessing the thoughts vary from team to team.
- Diller

I'm not a huge fan of trading Robertson because I think he has more in his game to grow into. He's not a big guy, but at 5v5 - in a third line role with interchangeable linemates and varying roles - he has been decent. He puts up 5v5 pts/60 at a rate that's similar to guys who was big names - Jack Hughes, Aho, Kaprizov, Kreider and so on. Bear in mind that I'm aware his third line role means that he faces weaker competition and if he were better he would have garnered more opportunity by now - but he is making a decent go of the opportunity presented to him. In 5v5 G/60 he's similarly in the same grouping as Larkin, DeBrincat, Petterson, Rantanen, Reinhart . . .

Because the Leafs do roll out their PP with about 75% of the minutes given to the top unit, the second unit usually gets one opportunity to regroup the puck behind their net, get a zone entry and an opportunity on net in the 20-30 seconds afforded to them. To put in perspective, Robertson has 23 minutes of PP time to Matthews' 184. In those 23 minutes, Nick Robertson has the 19th best Pts/60 in the league.

For me, if I were a GM, I would value him commensurate with that if I were dealing him in a move. He is more than a roster spot to be replaced. He is a valuable piece in the middle-6 who can swing up and down the lineup effectively. He just hasn't had an opportunity due to a number of unfortunate injuries earlier in his career to demonstrate it consistently.

Rielly seemed to play well with Boosh flanking him in the past... no?
- mjones242

It was basically a wash in the fancy stats department during the playoffs, where it matters the most.

It was basically a wash in the fancy stats department during the playoffs, where it matters the most.
- gravyface

the East is wide open, this is a good year to make a strong push.

Maybe the guy living in a tree does not have the mandate to move Leafs prospects for rentals. Hard to make an important move for a rental if all you have are B or C prospects and late picks. None of us know what cards he has to play with

I'm not a huge fan of trading Robertson because I think he has more in his game to grow into. He's not a big guy, but at 5v5 - in a third line role with interchangeable linemates and varying roles - he has been decent. He puts up 5v5 pts/60 at a rate that's similar to guys who was big names - Jack Hughes, Aho, Kaprizov, Kreider and so on. Bear in mind that I'm aware his third line role means that he faces weaker competition and if he were better he would have garnered more opportunity by now - but he is making a decent go of the opportunity presented to him. In 5v5 G/60 he's similarly in the same grouping as Larkin, DeBrincat, Petterson, Rantanen, Reinhart . . .

Because the Leafs do roll out their PP with about 75% of the minutes given to the top unit, the second unit usually gets one opportunity to regroup the puck behind their net, get a zone entry and an opportunity on net in the 20-30 seconds afforded to them. To put in perspective, Robertson has 23 minutes of PP time to Matthews' 184. In those 23 minutes, Nick Robertson has the 19th best Pts/60 in the league.

For me, if I were a GM, I would value him commensurate with that if I were dealing him in a move. He is more than a roster spot to be replaced. He is a valuable piece in the middle-6 who can swing up and down the lineup effectively. He just hasn't had an opportunity due to a number of unfortunate injuries earlier in his career to demonstrate it consistently.
- Monkeypunk

Two responses to my comment so far and two different viewpoints, both from Leaf fans. This is why I am thinking the perception of him league-wide would vary greatly. However, if they decide to move him, it only takes one or two teams to hold him in high regard to squeeze value out of him.

the boosh is back!😍👊🏿

i have no idea if this is good or bad, and had to look up what team they were on.
but this feels like a Gudbranson or Labushkin not both type of TDL..not both

also know nothing about kuraly
- senstroll

Kuraly is a bigger, more physical version of Kampf
Retainment makes him cheaper than Kampf

Gudpro at 2m would be great value, which requires Robertson +