I mean, they are currently the hottest team in the league even after having their best defenseman suspended for 5 games and serious issues on goaltending...

...wasn't putting Tavares on the 3rd line and moving up Derpluzzi and Domi a smart chance with the blender that has worked well?

I know it's tough to take when they don't win every single game but they're doing pretty good. I recall they recently beat Vegas and Colorado at home, Winnipeg back-to-back, the Rangers....
- Zezel

But what have they done for me in the last 24 hours?

This is why we can't have nice things.

But what have they done for me in the last 24 hours?

This is why we can't have nice things.
- Atomic Wedgie

Umm, we have nice things.
Its just that having those nice things hasnt led to any playoffs success in half a decade.

Hopefully that changes.

Some guys in here, including me, said at the beginning of the year that it was about performance in the playoffs not regular season stats and this team might not even make it.

It's ground hog day. So either one of two things is wrong.

The Core 4.

or

The Coach.

I have a hard time believing it's the Core 4 even if they are eating up all the Cap space and the team isn't balanced better between them, the bottom 6, D and G.

The Leafs have had a revolving door of players come thru this line up over the past 6 years and regardless of who they are the Leafs end up with the same result. Why?

The COACH. Keefe has been riding the coat tails of some of the best players to ever wear a Leafs jersey.

Until Keefe is gone, this team will not perform at a level good enough to win the Cup.

Keefe's systems are flawed. Always have been but the talent he has hides those flaws. There is no other possible answer. And please don't point out his winning record, look a little deeper at his losing record. A fu3king monkey could get this talent to have the same regular season success.

Keefe's winning record is a gift from the team not a result of his stellar coaching.

If Leafs want a chance at winning this season, bring in Quennville as an assistant coach until the end of the season, tell Keefe to sit back, shut the fu3k up and watch, and then dump Keefe in the summer.

Otherwise, maybe they make the playoffs but good luck getting past Bruins/Florida/Rangers in the 1st round. Good fu3king luck.


GKG. (Go Keefe Go)

I mean, they are currently the hottest team in the league even after having their best defenseman suspended for 5 games and serious issues on goaltending...

...wasn't putting Tavares on the 3rd line and moving up Derpluzzi and Domi a smart chance with the blender that has worked well?

I know it's tough to take when they don't win every single game but they're doing pretty good. I recall they recently beat Vegas and Colorado at home, Winnipeg back-to-back, the Rangers....
- Zezel

Thank god you’re here.

Some guys in here, including me, said at the beginning of the year that it was about performance in the playoffs not regular season stats and this team might not even make it.

It's ground hog day. So either one of two things is wrong.

The Core 4.

or

The Coach.

I have a hard time believing it's the Core 4 even if they are eating up all the Cap space and the team isn't balanced better between them, the bottom 6, D and G.

The Leafs have had a revolving door of players come thru this line up over the past 6 years and regardless of who they are the Leafs end up with the same result. Why?

The COACH. Keefe has been riding the coat tails of some of the best players to ever wear a Leafs jersey.

Until Keefe is gone, this team will not perform at a level good enough to win the Cup.

Keefe's systems are flawed. Always have been but the talent he has hides those flaws. There is no other possible answer. And please don't point out his winning record, look a little deeper at his losing record. A fu3king monkey could get this talent to have the same regular season success.

Keefe's winning record is a gift from the team not a result of his stellar coaching.

If Leafs want a chance at winning this season, bring in Quennville as an assistant coach until the end of the season, tell Keefe to sit back, shut the fu3k up and watch, and then dump Keefe in the summer.

Otherwise, maybe they make the playoffs but good luck getting past Bruins/Florida/Rangers in the 1st round. Good fu3king luck.


GKG. (Go Keefe Go)
- underhill14

I just hope the NHL has a full 4 rounds of playoffs this year. That was a bummer last year when they only had 3 rounds and the Leafs started the playoffs against Florida.

Umm, we have nice things.
Its just that having those nice things hasnt led to any playoffs success in half a decade.

Hopefully that changes.
- Fakepartofme

Well there are some leaf fans out there that don’t let only being in the final 8 teams last year effect how they feel about the current team only losing twice in the past 11 games.

Pretty reasonable.

Some guys in here, including me, said at the beginning of the year that it was about performance in the playoffs not regular season stats and this team might not even make it.

It's ground hog day. So either one of two things is wrong.

The Core 4.

or

The Coach.

I have a hard time believing it's the Core 4 even if they are eating up all the Cap space and the team isn't balanced better between them, the bottom 6, D and G.

The Leafs have had a revolving door of players come thru this line up over the past 6 years and regardless of who they are the Leafs end up with the same result. Why?

The COACH. Keefe has been riding the coat tails of some of the best players to ever wear a Leafs jersey.

Until Keefe is gone, this team will not perform at a level good enough to win the Cup.

Keefe's systems are flawed. Always have been but the talent he has hides those flaws. There is no other possible answer. And please don't point out his winning record, look a little deeper at his losing record. A fu3king monkey could get this talent to have the same regular season success.

Keefe's winning record is a gift from the team not a result of his stellar coaching.

If Leafs want a chance at winning this season, bring in Quennville as an assistant coach until the end of the season, tell Keefe to sit back, shut the fu3k up and watch, and then dump Keefe in the summer.

Otherwise, maybe they make the playoffs but good luck getting past Bruins/Florida/Rangers in the 1st round. Good fu3king luck.


GKG. (Go Keefe Go)
- underhill14

I was one of those....its all about the playoffs and it is.
Its one loss to the bruins, not the end of the world.
Q is not the answer, but im fully on board with getting a new voice. But that's not happening until the off season....and it might not happen if the make the 3rd round.
They got shut down by a team that plays a good system, lets see if they can do it again on Thursday.
We'll see

Umm, we have nice things.
Its just that having those nice things hasnt led to any playoffs success in half a CENTURY.

Hopefully that changes.
- Fakepartofme

Fixed.

I just hope the NHL has a full 4 rounds of playoffs this year. That was a bummer last year when they only had 3 rounds and the Leafs started the playoffs against Florida.
- Zezel

Funny ZZ, funny.

Point was, they will play one of those teams in the 1st round and if last night is any indication of the compete level, it will be a quick exit.

Edit: a month before the playoffs a team is supposed to be firing on all cylinders not floundering with sh1tty compete levels against a rival and potential playoff match up. Keefe has a 12 cylinder Supercar engine firing on 7 cylinders most nights.

Well there are some leaf fans out there that don’t let only being in the final 8 teams last year effect how they feel about the current team only losing twice in the past 11 games.

Pretty reasonable.
- Santo_44

Still has nothing to do with not being able to have nice things.

Ooooh the 2nd round, where they won 1 whole game. Huge achievement. Well for the leafs i guess it was.

Besides, fans can feel how they want, unreasonable, reasonable or otherwise.

Onto the next game. Its only 1 loss

Guys, the Leafs are 8-2 in their last 10.

Lost to Boston who are 4-2-4 in the same stretch.

Why are people panicking?

Guys, the Leafs are 8-2 in their last 10.

Lost to Boston who are 4-2-4 in the same stretch.

Why are people panicking?
- Scabeh

Check which teams both teams played in those 10 games.

Check which teams both teams played in those 10 games.
- underhill14

Leafs beat some good teams in that stretch.
Since feb 5th the leafs are 10 and 4
Beat avs, nyr, dallas

Guys, the Leafs are 8-2 in their last 10.

Lost to Boston who are 4-2-4 in the same stretch.

Why are people panicking?
- Scabeh

I don’t think it’s panicking. I think deep down they want us to lose, so they can be right about one thing in their lives.

Some guys in here, including me, said at the beginning of the year that it was about performance in the playoffs not regular season stats and this team might not even make it.

It's ground hog day. So either one of two things is wrong.

The Core 4.

or

The Coach.

I have a hard time believing it's the Core 4 even if they are eating up all the Cap space and the team isn't balanced better between them, the bottom 6, D and G.

The Leafs have had a revolving door of players come thru this line up over the past 6 years and regardless of who they are the Leafs end up with the same result. Why?

The COACH. Keefe has been riding the coat tails of some of the best players to ever wear a Leafs jersey.

Until Keefe is gone, this team will not perform at a level good enough to win the Cup.

Keefe's systems are flawed. Always have been but the talent he has hides those flaws. There is no other possible answer. And please don't point out his winning record, look a little deeper at his losing record. A fu3king monkey could get this talent to have the same regular season success.

Keefe's winning record is a gift from the team not a result of his stellar coaching.

If Leafs want a chance at winning this season, bring in Quennville as an assistant coach until the end of the season, tell Keefe to sit back, shut the fu3k up and watch, and then dump Keefe in the summer.

Otherwise, maybe they make the playoffs but good luck getting past Bruins/Florida/Rangers in the 1st round. Good fu3king luck.


GKG. (Go Keefe Go)
- underhill14

I talked about Q all last spring/early summer after the Leafs got poopcanned by the Panthers. He's absolutely the guy Shanahan should be targeting once we go through the usual spring song and dance yet again. All of you guys who shat all over Q last spring: you don't believe people deserve a second chance?

I don’t think it’s panicking. I think deep down they want us to lose, so they can be right about one thing in their lives.
- shack67

So leafs fans who disagree with you or us who dont read too much into a loss must mean they want the leafs to lose so they can be right about their worry that keefe may not be the right coach, or the team performing in the playoffs?
Probably not the case for 90% of them, and kind of a foolish to think it is. Imo.

Either way, onto the next game

I talked about Q all last spring/early summer after the Leafs got poopcanned by the Panthers. He's absolutely the guy Shanahan should be targeting once we go through the usual spring song and dance yet again. All of you guys who shat all over Q last spring: you don't believe people deserve a second chance?
- fifty__missions

People who knew about sexual assault and did jack poop about it other than to basically ignore it?

Did he go to jail and I missed it?

Make some very public admission of his mistakes, owning up to them and taking accountability for them? If so i missed it (and perhaps he did, I haven't followed everything from him).

If point 1 is true and points 2 and 3 above did not happen then to answer your question - no, i don't think he deserves a second chance as a coach in the NHL.

Some guys in here, including me, said at the beginning of the year that it was about performance in the playoffs not regular season stats and this team might not even make it.

It's ground hog day. So either one of two things is wrong.

The Core 4.

or

The Coach.

I have a hard time believing it's the Core 4 even if they are eating up all the Cap space and the team isn't balanced better between them, the bottom 6, D and G.

The Leafs have had a revolving door of players come thru this line up over the past 6 years and regardless of who they are the Leafs end up with the same result. Why?

The COACH. Keefe has been riding the coat tails of some of the best players to ever wear a Leafs jersey.

Until Keefe is gone, this team will not perform at a level good enough to win the Cup.

Keefe's systems are flawed. Always have been but the talent he has hides those flaws. There is no other possible answer. And please don't point out his winning record, look a little deeper at his losing record. A fu3king monkey could get this talent to have the same regular season success.

Keefe's winning record is a gift from the team not a result of his stellar coaching.

If Leafs want a chance at winning this season, bring in Quennville as an assistant coach until the end of the season, tell Keefe to sit back, shut the fu3k up and watch, and then dump Keefe in the summer.

Otherwise, maybe they make the playoffs but good luck getting past Bruins/Florida/Rangers in the 1st round. Good fu3king luck.


GKG. (Go Keefe Go)
- underhill14

But they ARE eating up all the cap space, and we've had nothing but junk on the back end for the entire duration SINCE they took up all the cap space. Half of the fill-ins we've used can't hold down an NHL job anywhere else.
The Leafs are a sports car with a suspension made of glass.

People who knew about sexual assault and did jack poop about it other than to basically ignore it?

Did he go to jail and I missed it?

Make some very public admission of his mistakes, owning up to them and taking accountability for them? If so i missed it (and perhaps he did, I haven't followed everything from him).

If point 1 is true and points 2 and 3 above did not happen then to answer your question - no, i don't think he deserves a second chance as a coach in the NHL.
- Cush29

Im onboard with the above as well.

So leafs fans who disagree with you or us who dont read too much into a loss must mean they want the leafs to lose so they can be right about their worry that keefe may not be the right coach, or the team performing in the playoffs?
Probably not the case for 90% of them, and kind of a foolish to think it is. Imo.

Either way, onto the next game
- Fakepartofme

When we win this thread is more quiet than a church. But one loss and and it’s on fire. What does that mean to you?

Well there are some leaf fans out there that don’t let only being in the final 8 teams last year effect how they feel about the current team only losing twice in the past 11 games.

Pretty reasonable.
- Santo_44

it's how they lost methinks.

When we win this thread is more quiet than a church. But one loss and and it’s on fire. What does that mean to you?
- shack67

I totally get that and what you mean.
But im sure this isnt specific to just the leafs boards and their fans. And i dont think it means most want the leafs to lose....outside of the trolls and a couple of really angry fans.

it's how they lost methinks.
- dmnted

Vegas got buried by the jackets, so I guess they’re done. Probably be sellers at the deadline.

it's how they lost methinks.
- dmnted

Methinks you are correct

People who knew about sexual assault and did jack poop about it other than to basically ignore it?

Did he go to jail and I missed it?

Make some very public admission of his mistakes, owning up to them and taking accountability for them? If so i missed it (and perhaps he did, I haven't followed everything from him).

If point 1 is true and points 2 and 3 above did not happen then to answer your question - no, i don't think he deserves a second chance as a coach in the NHL.
- Cush29

I'll play devil's advocate here to add a couple of questions into the mix:

1. Insofar as I'm aware, Quenneville has been implicated by hearsay only - in that "he should have known," or "there's no way he couldn't have known," but when conversations were happening surrounding the incident, the people they place in the room are the executive tier, above the coaching staff. Do I think he knew? Yes, I do. But . . .

2. What is his actual responsibility as a coach? Now we can argue that your responsibility as a decent human being far exceeds this and I would not argue that point at all, but I will note that in corporate executive structures - know your place and know your role or you won't have one. If it's not my job and my boss is handling it, then it's not my job to question how they do theirs unless it is directly or indirectly impacting my ability to perform my duties.

So . . . how much blame should be placed on Quenneville for doing nothing? I don't know. If he even knew, I still don't know. If he was told Bowman was handling it or Wirtz was dealing with it or whatever - then what was he supposed to do?

Circling back to being a decent human being basically says that in a tight-knit old boy's club like the NHL, he could have spoken up - gone public - done something - and never worked in the NHL again - which was basically his only skill.

This is not a black and white issue by any means.