People who knew about sexual assault and did jack poop about it other than to basically ignore it?

Did he go to jail and I missed it?

Make some very public admission of his mistakes, owning up to them and taking accountability for them? If so i missed it (and perhaps he did, I haven't followed everything from him).

If point 1 is true and points 2 and 3 above did not happen then to answer your question - no, i don't think he deserves a second chance as a coach in the NHL.
- Cush29

Seconded.

I don’t think it’s panicking. I think deep down they want us to lose, so they can be right about one thing in their lives.
- shack67

🥱 yawn

i’m dog tired from being right about everything every year for the last 20 years🤦🏿‍♂️

i want the laffs to win for a change 😭

Vegas got buried by the jackets, so I guess they’re done. Probably be sellers at the deadline.
- shack67

Now youre just jumping off the deep end.
I didnt see any comment in here saying the leafs should be sellers.

Oh i bet the passionate knights fans werent happy with the loss. But im sure their fans aren't easily as triggered as some long time leafs fans.
As vegas has a recent cup and several long playoff runs in the past 7 years or so.

I totally get that and what you mean.
But im sure this isnt specific to just the leafs boards and their fans. And i dont think it means most want the leafs to lose....outside of the trolls and a couple of really angry fans.
- Fakepartofme

Sorry I get frustrated sometimes. I skulk around the Canucks thread sometimes and it’s almost exactly like ours. They also have a certain number of fans who only show up when they lose.

Sorry I get frustrated sometimes. I skulk around the Canucks thread sometimes and it’s almost exactly like ours. They also have a certain number of fans who only show up when they lose.
- shack67

Yup, im sure every Canadian team does.
Gotta just ignore them. Imo

But i feel like thats not the case with all.

When we win this thread is more quiet than a church. But one loss and and it’s on fire. What does that mean to you?
- shack67

for me, it's the love to hate the Leafs that draw them in.
they just love to crap all thing Leafs.
even our own fan base craps on them and only focu one one or two players.

Vegas got buried by the jackets, so I guess they’re done. Probably be sellers at the deadline.
- shack67

yup they did
time for the Leafs to trade for Hill

I don’t think it’s panicking. I think deep down they want us to lose, so they can be right about one thing in their lives.
- shack67

Quite the opposite Shack.

We believe based on the make-up of this team, the coaching and recent history....some specific changes need to be made for them to WIN the Cup.

There is nothing I want more than the Leafs to win. 98 (frank)ing games every (frank)ing year. But because I criticize a team that hasn't won a Cup in my lifetime you think I want them to lose.

News flash, they have lost and continue to do so. Its such a bu11poop cop out for you to accuse me or any other poster that doesn't agree with some of the blueball-gargling that goes on in here every day of wanting them to lose.

Such BS.

The team is hot right now, despite the turd they laid last night. I hope it was an aberration.

In my mind, that was one of the most important games of the regular season so far. A team you are chasing in the standings for the division lead, it's a four point game and you have games in hand. Boston was banged up and vulnerable. It's not the end of the world or the season that they lost. But, it doesn't help inspire confidence.

I'm just disappointed the game wasn't closer. This game was a litmus test and the results were not good.

Having said that, put it away and move on. Crush the daylights out of them in the next matchup. If the Leafs lose that one and let the stinking bean-eating bears sweep the season series, then yeah, I'll be female doging afterwards again. If they win, I will sing their praises.

I'll play devil's advocate here to add a couple of questions into the mix:

1. Insofar as I'm aware, Quenneville has been implicated by hearsay only - in that "he should have known," or "there's no way he couldn't have known," but when conversations were happening surrounding the incident, the people they place in the room are the executive tier, above the coaching staff. Do I think he knew? Yes, I do. But . . .

2. What is his actual responsibility as a coach? Now we can argue that your responsibility as a decent human being far exceeds this and I would not argue that point at all, but I will note that in corporate executive structures - know your place and know your role or you won't have one. If it's not my job and my boss is handling it, then it's not my job to question how they do theirs unless it is directly or indirectly impacting my ability to perform my duties.

So . . . how much blame should be placed on Quenneville for doing nothing? I don't know. If he even knew, I still don't know. If he was told Bowman was handling it or Wirtz was dealing with it or whatever - then what was he supposed to do?

Circling back to being a decent human being basically says that in a tight-knit old boy's club like the NHL, he could have spoken up - gone public - done something - and never worked in the NHL again - which was basically his only skill.

This is not a black and white issue by any means.
- Monkeypunk

"Not my job" is a weak excuse for anyone in a leadership position who is aware of wrongdoing - especially something as serious as sexual assault.

"I thought someone else was handling it" is equally as poopty an excuse for someone in a leadership position.

Both warrant a likely termination in most companies so the narrative that Coach Q 'hasn't been proven guilty" or that it wasn't his job or place to say something / he thought someone else was handling it carries zero water for me.

The fact he has no other skills that could land him a job is a him problem and in no way, shape or form justifies inaction on his part to me.

Indeed the poopty person with low moral fibre / integrity is a reality of this.

To me it's not nearly as gray as you are eluding to it being, if it was and he felt he was unfair treated or other teams thought so he would be coaching and would have made alot more noise about the whole thing.

To the point of my earlier post - I wouldn't give him a 2nd chance based on the fact it appears he has done nothing to earn it.

I'll play devil's advocate here to add a couple of questions into the mix:

1. Insofar as I'm aware, Quenneville has been implicated by hearsay only - in that "he should have known," or "there's no way he couldn't have known," but when conversations were happening surrounding the incident, the people they place in the room are the executive tier, above the coaching staff. Do I think he knew? Yes, I do. But . . .

2. What is his actual responsibility as a coach? Now we can argue that your responsibility as a decent human being far exceeds this and I would not argue that point at all, but I will note that in corporate executive structures - know your place and know your role or you won't have one. If it's not my job and my boss is handling it, then it's not my job to question how they do theirs unless it is directly or indirectly impacting my ability to perform my duties.

So . . . how much blame should be placed on Quenneville for doing nothing? I don't know. If he even knew, I still don't know. If he was told Bowman was handling it or Wirtz was dealing with it or whatever - then what was he supposed to do?

Circling back to being a decent human being basically says that in a tight-knit old boy's club like the NHL, he could have spoken up - gone public - done something - and never worked in the NHL again - which was basically his only skill.

This is not a black and white issue by any means.
- Monkeypunk

He knew and was part of the decision to cover it up and told Hawks management that it would be a distraction for the team

I'll play devil's advocate here to add a couple of questions into the mix:

1. Insofar as I'm aware, Quenneville has been implicated by hearsay only - in that "he should have known," or "there's no way he couldn't have known," but when conversations were happening surrounding the incident, the people they place in the room are the executive tier, above the coaching staff. Do I think he knew? Yes, I do. But . . .

2. What is his actual responsibility as a coach? Now we can argue that your responsibility as a decent human being far exceeds this and I would not argue that point at all, but I will note that in corporate executive structures - know your place and know your role or you won't have one. If it's not my job and my boss is handling it, then it's not my job to question how they do theirs unless it is directly or indirectly impacting my ability to perform my duties.

So . . . how much blame should be placed on Quenneville for doing nothing? I don't know. If he even knew, I still don't know. If he was told Bowman was handling it or Wirtz was dealing with it or whatever - then what was he supposed to do?

Circling back to being a decent human being basically says that in a tight-knit old boy's club like the NHL, he could have spoken up - gone public - done something - and never worked in the NHL again - which was basically his only skill.

This is not a black and white issue by any means.
- Monkeypunk

Forgive me for merely cutting and pasting from Wikipedia, but it sounds a lot less murky than you make it out to be:

Brad Aldrich investigation
On October 26, 2021, an independent investigation into how the Blackhawks responded to claims that former video coach Brad Aldrich sexually assaulted prospect Kyle Beach during the 2010 Stanley Cup playoffs revealed that Quenneville, as well as the rest of the Blackhawks' senior leadership team, opted to defer any action on Aldrich until after the Stanley Cup Finals.

According to the report, Quenneville was particularly concerned about causing a distraction before the finals. Three weeks after the allegations were raised, Aldrich was forced to resign by HR and Legal after opting not to comply with their investigation and subsequently pleaded guilty to assaulting a player at a Michigan high school where he was a volunteer coach.[12]

Quenneville had previously claimed he had no knowledge that Aldrich sexually assaulted anyone before Beach and the high school player sued the Blackhawks,[13] but multiple witnesses stated that he was called into a meeting to discuss the Aldrich matter shortly after the Blackhawks defeated the Sharks to advance to the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals.[14] Multiple people in the meeting claimed that the matter discussed did not involve sexual assault and then CEO, John Mcdonough, in the meeting committed to getting more information and handling the matter while directing Quenneville and hockey operations focused on the Stanley Cup Finals.[15]

On October 27, 2021, Quenneville was summoned to a meeting the following day with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman to discuss his role in the incident.[16] Within hours of that meeting, Quenneville announced his immediate resignation as Panthers coach.[17] According to a formal NHL statement, Bettman, the Panthers, and Quenneville mutually agreed that "it was no longer appropriate" for Quenneville to stay on. Bettman also announced that Quenneville will have to meet with him before he is allowed to work in the NHL again.[18]

Forgive me for merely cutting and pasting from Wikipedia, but it sounds a lot less murky than you make it out to be:

Brad Aldrich investigation
On October 26, 2021, an independent investigation into how the Blackhawks responded to claims that former video coach Brad Aldrich sexually assaulted prospect Kyle Beach during the 2010 Stanley Cup playoffs revealed that Quenneville, as well as the rest of the Blackhawks' senior leadership team, opted to defer any action on Aldrich until after the Stanley Cup Finals.

According to the report, Quenneville was particularly concerned about causing a distraction before the finals. Three weeks after the allegations were raised, Aldrich was forced to resign by HR and Legal after opting not to comply with their investigation and subsequently pleaded guilty to assaulting a player at a Michigan high school where he was a volunteer coach.
- Atomic Wedgie[12]

Quenneville had previously claimed he had no knowledge that Aldrich sexually assaulted anyone before Beach and the high school player sued the Blackhawks,[13] but multiple witnesses stated that he was called into a meeting to discuss the Aldrich matter shortly after the Blackhawks defeated the Sharks to advance to the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals.[14] Multiple people in the meeting claimed that the matter discussed did not involve sexual assault and then CEO, John Mcdonough, in the meeting committed to getting more information and handling the matter while directing Quenneville and hockey operations focused on the Stanley Cup Finals.[15]

On October 27, 2021, Quenneville was summoned to a meeting the following day with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman to discuss his role in the incident.[16] Within hours of that meeting, Quenneville announced his immediate resignation as Panthers coach.[17] According to a formal NHL statement, Bettman, the Panthers, and Quenneville mutually agreed that "it was no longer appropriate" for Quenneville to stay on. Bettman also announced that Quenneville will have to meet with him before he is allowed to work in the NHL again.[18]

Condensed version:

Coach Q knew, said nothing other than he didn't want it to be a distraction to the team after flat out lying initially and saying he didn't know about it.

He resigned after likely being told he could do so or be fired as the NHL would direct his employer to do.

Coach Q acted like a POS and perhaps is one.

He knew and was part of the decision to cover it up and told Hawks management that it would be a distraction for the team
- Canada Cup

He denies that he knew until later.

"Quenneville has said he was unaware of the allegations until this summer, a stance he reiterated as recently as Wednesday morning. Beach, in an interview that aired Wednesday evening on TSN, said there was "absolutely no way" the then-Chicago coach could deny knowing about the allegations."

He's franking lying:

"The investigation determined that Quenneville was part of a meeting about Beach's claims on May 23, 2010, the same day Chicago won the Western Conference title and moved into the Stanley Cup final. Chicago won the Cup that season, the first of three titles the team won under Quenneville.

"Stan Bowman has quoted Joel Quenneville saying — and this is not a quote, this is my words — saying that the playoffs, the Stanley Cup playoffs and trying to win a Stanley Cup was more important than sexual assault," Beach told TSN. "And I can't believe that. As a human being, I cannot believe that, and I cannot accept that.""

https://www.cbc.ca/sports...neville-resigns-1.6229587

Condensed version:

Coach Q knew, said nothing other than he didn't want it to be a distraction to the team after flat out lying initially and saying he didn't know about it.

He resigned after likely being told he could do so or be fired as the NHL would direct his employer to do.

Coach Q acted like a POS and perhaps is one.
- Cush29

One more important note:

He can't coach again in the NHL unless Bettman gives the green light.

I sincerely doubt that will happen.

Quite the opposite Shack.

We believe based on the make-up of this team, the coaching and recent history....some specific changes need to be made for them to WIN the Cup.

There is nothing I want more than the Leafs to win. 98 (frank)ing games every (frank)ing year. But because I criticize a team that hasn't won a Cup in my lifetime you think I want them to lose.

News flash, they have lost and continue to do so. Its such a bu11poop cop out for you to accuse me or any other poster that doesn't agree with some of the blueball-gargling that goes on in here every day of wanting them to lose.

Such BS.
- underhill14

So why do the same posters disappear when we win.

From last blog:



Yes 6 year old Auston Matthews was not the dominate force he is now.

You are bragging about the time the Habs rode the coat tails of the god like play of Price to the finals that one time and then failed him miserably when he only played good to great in the finals and not god like?

Weird flex - maybe just go eat some more lasagna and stick to the Habs thread or another sport more suited to the current Montreal hockey club.....


- Cush29

Seriously? Taking shots like that as a Leaf fan??? Gotta love that legalized marijuana!!!

Screw Q. His name should never be spoken again.

Trade for Lauzon and Cole Smith from Nashville please

Seriously? Taking shots like that as a Leaf fan??? Gotta love that legalized marijuana!!!
- Diller

It’s our thread. We can take any kind of shots we want.

It’s our thread. We can take any kind of shots we want.
- shack67

backshots

So why do the same posters disappear when we win.
- shack67

Those, my fellow Leaf fan, are just dumb (frank)s. On that I think we agree.

I'm definitely not one of them....well, I get told I'm a dumb (frank) all the time...but I mean when it comes to the Leafs, I want them to win.

I hope I get to feel what it's like to have the only team I am a fan of in the only sport I enjoy watching win the mf'ing Stanley Cup before I leave this life.

Those, my fellow Leaf fan, are just dumb (frank)s. On that I think we agree.

I'm definitely not one of them....well, I get told I'm a dumb (frank) all the time...but I mean when it comes to the Leafs, I want them to win.

I hope I get to feel what it's like to have the only team I am a fan of in the only sport I enjoy watching win the mf'ing Stanley Cup before I leave this life.
- underhill14

I hear ya. Just one more before I die.

No kidding!!! None of this is new!! The Leafs have been playing like crap when it matters, for years!! And what do we do?? Well we sign them all up for more, but not without huge raises and no trade contracts!! You have to believe that this is what management wants because they keep signing up for it. You can bank on a first round exit again this year……and then what!? Well nothing of course, we will do it all again next year, because next year it will be different. I can already quote Marners 1st round exit with the press…….uh yeah nobody’s more disappointed than us, we didn’t get it done, gotta find a way, blah blah blah. The next day he’s spotted on the golf course…….am I’m asking, did he already have that tee time booked or was he booking it between the 2nd and 3rd period? Play it again Sam, management loves this team.

backshots
- BINGO!

I haven’t been following the Canes much this year, do you think they have a chance.