I want Lilly to own a spot as much as anyone but regardless of handedness ...be one of the best 6 ....or better yet 4. Stop (frank)ing around and earn your spot. Competition is good.
- The Law

Couldnt agree more.

Parayko & Liljegren >>>> Parayko & replacement level player

I think that's the argument. And I fully agree with it.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Sure, but if you had to trade one of your two RHD presumably a RHD would be returned.

Parayko > Liljegren.

I’d give Knies in this deal with 50% retention on Buch and a small retention on Parayko
- Santo_44

Man, I'd really hate to trade Knies, but it's a good trade.

I’d give Knies in this deal with 50% retention on Buch and a small retention on Parayko
- Santo_44

Knies shouldn't be going anywhere.

Minten? Sure.

I’d give Knies in this deal with 50% retention on Buch and a small retention on Parayko
- Santo_44

I had a weird feeling it might be knies.

I don't think i like that.

There's nothing wrong with playing him with them. Like, at all. Skill is skill and he can score. He's also really good at going after pucks and has improved his defensive game steadily.

I would still package him in a trade for Parayko, though. I feel like he's a D-man specifically made to play with Rielly.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Where in the lineup?

Yes there is something wrong playing him, his skill set is limited to being a top six offensive puck handler/shooter and both Marner and Nylander outrank him. And he’s simply not defensively skilled enough to be a full time bottom sixer. Not everything is about offence.

None of it matters until their best players show up when it matters.
- Aetherial

This.

Sure, but if you had to trade one of your two RHD presumably a RHD would be returned.

Parayko > Liljegren.
- mjones242

Why though?

A CAP dump would be needed to make it happen. That's 100% gotta be Brodie (or if it's a F, Kampf). And St. Louis would want picks or prospects. 1st and Robertson/Minten, and maybe Timmins.

Why would/should Liljegren be involved in the trade?

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I’m told the #stlblues could be dancing around a trade with the Leafs. The two sides have been chatting for a bit.

Parayko and/or Buchnevich the targets - though I would think that STL is dangling a few diff defenders.



Semi reliable source 🤞
- Santo_44

AND?!?! Jeez, what would that cost. That's over $11M in cap space we'd be taking on.

Obvi, would have to be Brodie. Might as well toss in Lilly. Robertson. First of course. Probably Minten? Double retained on Buch, so some kind of draft pick compensation for third party.

This is 1000% a VERY long shot, but what else do we have to talk about?!?

I’d give Knies in this deal with 50% retention on Buch and a small retention on Parayko
- Santo_44

Oh man, I think giving up Knies will come back and haunt you. To me he is the only non NTC guy that’s untouchable.

Where in the lineup?

Yes there is something wrong playing him, his skill set is limited to being a top six offensive puck handler/shooter and both Marner and Nylander outrank him. And he’s simply not defensively skilled enough to be a full time bottom sixer. Not everything is about offence.
- Dozzer

Luckily Robertson is a LW and both Marner and Nylander are RW.

Knies shouldn't be going anywhere.

Minten? Sure.
- mjones242

Agreed.

AND?!?! Jeez, what would that cost. That's over $11M in cap space we'd be taking on.

Obvi, would have to be Brodie. Might as well toss in Lilly. Robertson. First of course. Probably Minten? Double retained on Buch, so some kind of draft pick compensation for third party.

This is 1000% a VERY long shot, but what else do we have to talk about?!?
- Whipper

Serevalli said yesterday blues are looking to retain half on Buch to maximize return

The whole point of trading Parayko is to minimize the damage in 2-5 years from now with their horrible cap hits for their NTC d men. So I’d imagine they don’t want to retain much if any on Parayko.

Serevalli said yesterday blues are looking to retain half on Buch to maximize return

The whole point of trading Parayko is to minimize the damage in 2-5 years from now with their horrible cap hits for their NTC d men. So I’d imagine they don’t want to retain much if any on Parayko.
- Santo_44

Agreed, I highly doubt STL would retain much on Parayko, in my post I was only talking of retention on Buch.

so Edmundson has 19 PIM in 44 games. so he doesnt get penalized much.
will be interesting to see what happens in blue and white

Am I the only one who liked Lagesson? I don't mind buying depth, but 2 picks for a guy that is in my opinion almost even with Lagesson seems like a waste of assets.
- UsernameUnknown

the second pick was for the 50% retention

so Edmundson has 19 PIM in 44 games. so he doesnt get penalized much.
will be interesting to see what happens in blue and white
- senstroll

44PIM in 19 games.

so Edmundson has 19 PIM in 44 games. so he doesnt get penalized much.
will be interesting to see what happens in blue and white
- senstroll

back injury tonight against Boston...he's been dealing with back issues for a few years now

From the tweeter

"Kyle Dubas gave a 3rd for 4 games of David (frank)ing Rittich and people want Treliving fired for paying the same price for a 6'5 30 y/o who played 23 minutes a night for a Cup finalist 3 years ago"

Well thinking could be better. Could be worse. Tre doesnt have much to work with and at least added some decent depth. Not sure how much this makes us better.

Luckily Robertson is a LW and both Marner and Nylander are RW.
- GreatGigInTheSky

His point is "style of play" not RW or LW.

Bertuzzi and Knies: big bodied forecheck to grind the wall and retrieve the puck and make a mess in front of the net. Robertson can't do that.

Willy and Marner: Robertson can't do that.

Robertson should be traded before people figure out he's not that good never mind the fact that there is just no spot for him on this team for the foreseeable future.

From the tweeter

"Kyle Dubas gave a 3rd for 4 games of David (frank)ing Rittich and people want Treliving fired for paying the same price for a 6'5 30 y/o who played 23 minutes a night for a Cup finalist 3 years ago"
- Fakepartofme

did anyone like that?

both can be bad

Well thinking could be better. Could be worse. Tre doesnt have much to work with and at least added some decent depth. Not sure how much this makes us better.
- Roadrunner75

We needed to get bigger, nastier, clear our net, some pk'ers, more hits.

And thats what Tre has accomplished. At the end of the day, no matter who we add wont help the team in the playoffs if our core 3 dont score and do what they are paid to do.
Lack scoring was a big part of why leafs booted in the 2nd round

His point is "style of play" no RW or LW.

Bertuzzi and Knies: big bodied forecheck to grind the wall and retrieve the puck and make a mess in front of the net. Robertson can't do that.

Willy and Marner: Robertson can't do that.

Robertson should be traded before people figure out he's not that good never mind the fact that there is just no spot for him on this team for the foreseeable future.
- underhill14

And I said this in my first response to that-

There's nothing wrong with playing him with them. Like, at all. Skill is skill and he can score.

Besides, we currently have Tavares on the 3rd (frank)ing line. There is no top and bottom 6 with the Leafs. There's the top 9 and 4th line.

And McMann can easily go back onto the 4th line, and likely will (with or without Robertson being traded).

did anyone like that?

both can be bad
- senstroll

Yes they can be.
But at least Tre slightly overpaid ( if you feel he did) for a big 30 year old stanley cup champion defenseman that will help the leafs in areas they currently arent that great in.
Imo