I dunno, we dont have Malgin to dangle in that deal.

In all seriousness though, Kyle is in big trouble in Pitt. What the hell can you even do there? Yikes.
- Snot Dillingham

and it looks great on Dubas. Dubas really owns the contract limitations that exist in Toronto - that's on him - although many want to blame Shanahan. I think its great that Dubas now has to find a way to "manage" a dying roster - with a bunch of guys he can't trade for various reasons. Its going to get really ugly there - and I will be watching with interest to see how well Harry Potter waves his wand to fix that.

Vegas add Guentzal...leafs add more pylons
- senstroll

Dammit I liked your post much more before you corrected the spelling from Pilon to Pylon.

Because adding some PILONS sounds like a great playoff strategy! lol

Pilon is the French word for "pestle" — an instrument used for crushing or pounding. In many pilon fractures, the bone may be crushed or split into several pieces due to the high-energy impact that caused the injury. In most cases, surgery is needed to restore the damaged bone to its normal position.


"Brad it's Shanny - go sign us some Pilons before the TDL!!!!!"

It's spelled Parayko
- Whipper

Dammit I liked your post much more before you corrected the spelling from Pilon to Pylon.

Because adding some PILONS sounds like a great playoff strategy! lol

Pilon is the French word for "pestle" — an instrument used for crushing or pounding. In many pilon fractures, the bone may be crushed or split into several pieces due to the high-energy impact that caused the injury. In most cases, surgery is needed to restore the damaged bone to its normal position.


"Brad it's Shanny - go sign us some Pilons before the TDL!!!!!"
- Cush29

pielawn

Dammit all I liked your post much more before you corrected the spelling from Pilon to Pylon.

Because adding some PILONS sounds like a great playoff strategy! lol

Pilon is the French word for "pestle" — an instrument used for crushing or pounding. In many pilon fractures, the bone may be crushed or split into several pieces due to the high-energy impact that caused the injury. In most cases, surgery is needed to restore the damaged bone to its normal position.
- Cush29

Rich Pilon was a mean summabich back in the 90's. He was basically Edmundson before Edmunson was Edmundson.

So we had the requisite griping about the trade for Edmundson. I don't like him, but the cost of a 3rd and a 5th to include retention is probably not unexpected. Could that have purchased a better player? Maybe, but probably not to be honest. Edmundson is probably very similar in value to Schenn - who cost a 3rd round pick with no retention.

But it got me thinking about something I'd seen that says that 3rd round picks have more value than we think, and I took all of the picks from 2000 - 2018 and used Hockey-Reference's Point Share evaluation system to determine whether a player was in an "elite" category or not.

Basically I used this criteria:
- A goalie had to play a minimum of 60 games to be considered an NHL player
- A skater had to play a minimum of 100 games.
- If a goalie had a Point Share/game of .19 or greater, I considered them an elite calibre player,
- If a Skater has a PS/Game of greater than .1, I considered them an elite calibre player.

Examples of some questionable "elite" attributions using this criteria: Guentzel, Semin, Ellis and Tarasenko - and guys who sat on the other side of the cusp and were considered merely NHL players - Subban, Klingberg, Dobson, Byfuglien, Rick Nash, Hintz, Pavelski . . . so there's some debate in terms of the quality. I was trying to make it simple on myself so I just used a boolean approach instead of a rating scale. On the goalie side, it's mostly good - Lehner and Varlamov crawl into the tail of the "elite" category, but to leave them out I'd need to omit Price, Demko and Rask and I would disagree with that omission more.

1 - 5: 24.2% chance of being elite, and 97.9% chance of being players.
6 - 10: 6.3% chance of being elite, and 85.3% chance of being players.
11 - 15: 5.3% chance of being elite, and 74.7% chance of being players.
16 - 20: 4.2% chance of being elite, and 75.8% chance of being players.
21 - 25: 3.2% chance of being elite, and 73.7% chance of being players.
26 - 30: 2.1% chance of being elite, and 58.9% chance of being players.
31 - 35: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 34.7% chance of being players.
36 - 40: 3.2% chance of being elite, and 42.1% chance of being players.
41 - 45: 0% chance of being elite, and 46.3% chance of being players.
46 - 50: 2.1% chance of being elite, and 38.9% chance of being players.
51 - 55: 0% chance of being elite, and 43.2% chance of being players.
56 - 60: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 34.7% chance of being players.
61 - 65: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 29.5% chance of being players.
66 - 70: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 27.4% chance of being players.
71 - 75: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 26.3% chance of being players.
76 - 80: 3.2% chance of being elite, and 28.4% chance of being players.
81 - 85: 0% chance of being elite, and 23.2% chance of being players.
86 - 90: 0% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
91 - 95: 0% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
96 - 100: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 25.3% chance of being players.
101 - 105: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
106 - 110: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
111 - 115: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
116 - 120: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 19.1% chance of being players.
121 - 125: 0% chance of being elite, and 15.8% chance of being players.
126 - 130: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
131 - 135: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 18.9% chance of being players.
136 - 140: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
141 - 145: 0% chance of being elite, and 9.5% chance of being players.
146 - 150: 0% chance of being elite, and 21.1% chance of being players.
151 - 155: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
156 - 160: 0% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
161 - 165: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 12.6% chance of being players.
166 - 170: 0% chance of being elite, and 9.5% chance of being players.
171 - 175: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
176 - 180: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 14.7% chance of being players.
181 - 185: 0% chance of being elite, and 8.4% chance of being players.
186 - 190: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.7% chance of being players.
191 - 195: 0% chance of being elite, and 12.6% chance of being players.
196 - 200: 0% chance of being elite, and 4.2% chance of being players.
201 - 205: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
206 - 210: 0% chance of being elite, and 8.4% chance of being players.
211 - 215: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.8% chance of being players.
216 - 220: 0% chance of being elite, and 8.8% chance of being players.
221 - 225: 0% chance of being elite, and 16.7% chance of being players.
226 - 230: 0% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
231 - 235: 0% chance of being elite, and 12% chance of being players.
236 - 240: 0% chance of being elite, and 12% chance of being players.
241 - 245: 0% chance of being elite, and 16% chance of being players.
246 - 250: 0% chance of being elite, and 4% chance of being players.
251 - 255: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
256 - 260: 0% chance of being elite, and 4% chance of being players.
261 - 265: 0% chance of being elite, and 16% chance of being players.
266 - 270: 0% chance of being elite, and 4% chance of being players.
271 - 275: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
276 - 280: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
281 - 285: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
286 - 290: 0% chance of being elite, and 12.5% chance of being players.
291 - 295: 0% chance of being elite, and 28.6% chance of being players.


Interestingly enough, using 19 years of data, the chances with pick 31 are not that dissimilar from the chances with pick 100 of garnering at least an NHL player or an elite level player. For context, everything is grouped in 5 picks and 19 years, so each category has 95 picks that it's measuring - until after pick 210, when the numbers are lower (50, 30, 25 . . .) noting that they used to draft until Round 9 until 2005, when it was changed to 7 rounds - and Vegas joined in 2017 which also would have added more picks.

and it looks great on Dubas. Dubas really owns the contract limitations that exist in Toronto - that's on him - although many want to blame Shanahan. I think its great that Dubas now has to find a way to "manage" a dying roster - with a bunch of guys he can't trade for various reasons. Its going to get really ugly there - and I will be watching with interest to see how well Harry Potter waves his wand to fix that.



- BorjeFan4Ever

I think any GM in Pittsburgh would be facing the same situation and there is no way to fix it except bottoming out.

Found a pic of Kubina being….well…. Kubina lol

Vegas add Guentzal...leafs add more pylons
- senstroll

I believe Rich Pilon is retired.

But that was a guy who Brought the Snot


Edit: late, good on ya Law

Rich Pilon was a mean summabich back in the 90's. He was basically Edmundson before Edmunson was Edmundson.
- The Law

i was just looking him up

member his hit/collision with Kevin Stevens ...

Remember when Marner use to T up parayko on the point in the worlds a few years ago?

The missing piece to the pp?
- bryant

https://x.com/ATFulemin/s.../1765836368859537709?s=20

24 hours and 28 minutes til the complaining truly begins lol

Group A: what the leafs did
Group B: what the leafs didn’t do
- Dozzer

I'll be in both

So we had the requisite griping about the trade for Edmundson. I don't like him, but the cost of a 3rd and a 5th to include retention is probably not unexpected. Could that have purchased a better player? Maybe, but probably not to be honest. Edmundson is probably very similar in value to Schenn - who cost a 3rd round pick with no retention.

But it got me thinking about something I'd seen that says that 3rd round picks have more value than we think, and I took all of the picks from 2000 - 2018 and used Hockey-Reference's Point Share evaluation system to determine whether a player was in an "elite" category or not.

Basically I used this criteria:
- A goalie had to play a minimum of 60 games to be considered an NHL player
- A skater had to play a minimum of 100 games.
- If a goalie had a Point Share/game of .19 or greater, I considered them an elite calibre player,
- If a Skater has a PS/Game of greater than .1, I considered them an elite calibre player.

Examples of some questionable "elite" attributions using this criteria: Guentzel, Semin, Ellis and Tarasenko - and guys who sat on the other side of the cusp and were considered merely NHL players - Subban, Klingberg, Dobson, Byfuglien, Rick Nash, Hintz, Pavelski . . . so there's some debate in terms of the quality. I was trying to make it simple on myself so I just used a boolean approach instead of a rating scale. On the goalie side, it's mostly good - Lehner and Varlamov crawl into the tail of the "elite" category, but to leave them out I'd need to omit Price, Demko and Rask and I would disagree with that omission more.

1 - 5: 24.2% chance of being elite, and 97.9% chance of being players.
6 - 10: 6.3% chance of being elite, and 85.3% chance of being players.
11 - 15: 5.3% chance of being elite, and 74.7% chance of being players.
16 - 20: 4.2% chance of being elite, and 75.8% chance of being players.
21 - 25: 3.2% chance of being elite, and 73.7% chance of being players.
26 - 30: 2.1% chance of being elite, and 58.9% chance of being players.
31 - 35: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 34.7% chance of being players.
36 - 40: 3.2% chance of being elite, and 42.1% chance of being players.
41 - 45: 0% chance of being elite, and 46.3% chance of being players.
46 - 50: 2.1% chance of being elite, and 38.9% chance of being players.
51 - 55: 0% chance of being elite, and 43.2% chance of being players.
56 - 60: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 34.7% chance of being players.
61 - 65: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 29.5% chance of being players.
66 - 70: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 27.4% chance of being players.
71 - 75: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 26.3% chance of being players.
76 - 80: 3.2% chance of being elite, and 28.4% chance of being players.
81 - 85: 0% chance of being elite, and 23.2% chance of being players.
86 - 90: 0% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
91 - 95: 0% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
96 - 100: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 25.3% chance of being players.
101 - 105: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
106 - 110: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
111 - 115: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
116 - 120: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 19.1% chance of being players.
121 - 125: 0% chance of being elite, and 15.8% chance of being players.
126 - 130: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
131 - 135: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 18.9% chance of being players.
136 - 140: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
141 - 145: 0% chance of being elite, and 9.5% chance of being players.
146 - 150: 0% chance of being elite, and 21.1% chance of being players.
151 - 155: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
156 - 160: 0% chance of being elite, and 17.9% chance of being players.
161 - 165: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 12.6% chance of being players.
166 - 170: 0% chance of being elite, and 9.5% chance of being players.
171 - 175: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
176 - 180: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 14.7% chance of being players.
181 - 185: 0% chance of being elite, and 8.4% chance of being players.
186 - 190: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.7% chance of being players.
191 - 195: 0% chance of being elite, and 12.6% chance of being players.
196 - 200: 0% chance of being elite, and 4.2% chance of being players.
201 - 205: 1.1% chance of being elite, and 11.6% chance of being players.
206 - 210: 0% chance of being elite, and 8.4% chance of being players.
211 - 215: 0% chance of being elite, and 11.8% chance of being players.
216 - 220: 0% chance of being elite, and 8.8% chance of being players.
221 - 225: 0% chance of being elite, and 16.7% chance of being players.
226 - 230: 0% chance of being elite, and 20% chance of being players.
231 - 235: 0% chance of being elite, and 12% chance of being players.
236 - 240: 0% chance of being elite, and 12% chance of being players.
241 - 245: 0% chance of being elite, and 16% chance of being players.
246 - 250: 0% chance of being elite, and 4% chance of being players.
251 - 255: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
256 - 260: 0% chance of being elite, and 4% chance of being players.
261 - 265: 0% chance of being elite, and 16% chance of being players.
266 - 270: 0% chance of being elite, and 4% chance of being players.
271 - 275: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
276 - 280: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
281 - 285: 0% chance of being elite, and 8% chance of being players.
286 - 290: 0% chance of being elite, and 12.5% chance of being players.
291 - 295: 0% chance of being elite, and 28.6% chance of being players.


Interestingly enough, using 19 years of data, the chances with pick 31 are not that dissimilar from the chances with pick 100 of garnering at least an NHL player or an elite level player. For context, everything is grouped in 5 picks and 19 years, so each category has 95 picks that it's measuring - until after pick 210, when the numbers are lower (50, 30, 25 . . .) noting that they used to draft until Round 9 until 2005, when it was changed to 7 rounds - and Vegas joined in 2017 which also would have added more picks.
- Monkeypunk

Good post but I found this for the non-readers

and it looks great on Dubas. Dubas really owns the contract limitations that exist in Toronto - that's on him - although many want to blame Shanahan. I think its great that Dubas now has to find a way to "manage" a dying roster - with a bunch of guys he can't trade for various reasons. Its going to get really ugly there - and I will be watching with interest to see how well Harry Potter waves his wand to fix that.



- BorjeFan4Ever

I just want to know if the glasses were real or fake?

Found a pic of Kubina being….well…. Kubina lol


- Dozzer

What the actual (frank) is he even doing there?

When you show up when the leafs are winning, I'll listen to you. Now go shake your fists at some clouds.
- Aaron_85

perhaps the dew off the lilly needs to be shaken for Bullot a few times

Not sure, I’ll need to ask my sources

“Hey, Aardsy” 🤷🏿‍♂️
- mr.sir

he's on the job,
need to wait till after 6pm for an answer

So we had the requisite griping about the trade for Edmundson. .
- Monkeypunk

my gripe isnt that they would have drafted Kucherov and Benn with those picks, just that as currency, they could use it better

What the actual (frank) is he even doing there?
- Snot Dillingham

Trying not to lose his stick he just let go of I assume

https://x.com/ATFulemin/status/1765836368859537709?s=20
- gravyface

That's a really good defensive shift.

Now don't anyone dare show one of him getting caved in! lol

Think at this point the only move left can see Tre doung is nringing in a 3C. Move JT to wing with Domi at C line 2. JT is the net front presence. Bert is the same on line 3 with new center and McMann.

After that its try keeping everyone healthy and do what we can.

Not expecting much more than that. Gonna be just how it is and if this team can find some heart and overcome Keefe

I just want to know if the glasses were real or fake?
- Snot Dillingham

Harry Potter wore them to look more like Kyle Dubas

I just want to know if the glasses were real or fake?
- Snot Dillingham

Harry Potter wore them to look more like Kyle Dubas

24 hours and 28 minutes til the complaining truly begins lol

Group A: what the leafs did
Group B: what the leafs didn’t do
- Dozzer

Group C: Doomers who won't be happy either way.
Group D: Skalapyites disappointed about no Poone Jenner.
Group E: A couple of dudes who will rant about wokeism destroying sports.