Jesus, you are really reaching.

A 10 minute misconduct will still show up in Hathaway PIMs stat. Did I say anything along the lines of “we were stuck killing a 10 minute penalty”? This is your created argument, not mine.

The Flyers having 5 defensemen is a management issue. They make the call on who is coming up and who is going down. Torts has said multiple time he hasn’t spoken to Lappy.
- roenick97

How am I reaching?..what the hell does it matter if he has a 10 minute on his record or a 2 minute? It's not like he is a clean player who never takes penalties. You said a 2 minute would be better, that would have given Tampa a 5on3.
His actions deserved a penalty. He was given a 10 minute, which was best for the team.

Are you SSB?

No his actions were embarrassing. I have said this repeatedly. I am not reaching for anything.

I don't care how much money he makes personally, but as the head coach of a pro team, his actions were embarrassing.

If you pulled that crap at whatever you do for a living, you would be fired instantly.
His actions were crap.

Time for you to move onto someone else. I am not looking to argue with you, and really don't need you acting like you are superior. Don't tell me what to be embarrassed by..who the hell do you think you are?
- TheFreak

Why would you bring up his salary as your argument, if you don’t get paid?

Making an argument that Torts’ actions were “embarrassing” because you were watching the game with your wife and kids is beyond an overreaction and a reach, as if you had to cover your kids eyes or have them look away from the TV screen. Like, please.

How am I reaching?..what the hell does it matter if he has a 10 minute on his record or a 2 minute? It's not like he is a clean player who never takes penalties. You said a 2 minute would be better, that would have given Tampa a 5on3.
His actions deserved a penalty. He was given a 10 minute, which was best for the team.

Are you SSB?
- TheFreak

The above in bold is when you know someone is frustrated, as if people on here don’t do this all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO-S7OrswtY

Anyone with even the smallest amount of logic will tell you, the 10 minute misconduct was extreme. Each call was questionable. You’re pretty much alone in your views.

The above in bold is when you know someone is frustrated, as if people on here don’t do this all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO-S7OrswtY

Anyone with even the smallest amount of logic will tell you, the 10 minute misconduct was extreme. Each call was questionable. You’re pretty much alone in your views.
- roenick97

As a Flyer fan that might be, but the general concencus is that he acted like an idiot.

I wasn't embarrassed for myself or my wife or kid. I was embarrassed for him. I was embarrassed with my FIL watching the game, watching Torts act like an idiot....with him knowing I support this team.

Your ideas and thoughts are unimportant to me.

The 10 minute misconduct was 100% called for. He cheap shotted a player for NO REASON than he felt like it...that is unsportsmanlike conduct. You say 10 minutes was too much...so you would of preferred a 2 minute penalty? Do you not understand misconducts? YOUR statements on the penalties come off as dumb, and that you don't fully comprehend what a misconduct is.

I asked if you were SSB, as you arguments to me are pointless. You reply to one post, why quoting another post. You question how I felt? FFS.

What the hell does it matter to you if I felt Torts was an embarrassment to the team on Saturday?

I won't reply to you anymore about this. Go away , little man.

Getting two points on a trip to Florida and TB is the best you can hope for. Those games happen. With the schedule they have, makes Tuesday's game at home against the worst team in the League a must win.

I think the Penguins and Devils are dead. Detroit is slumping 4 losses in a row. So even if the Islanders pass them they can still get a wild card.
- PLindbergh31

Was your account hacked? Blink twice if you're ok.

Why would you bring up his salary as your argument, if you don’t get paid?

Making an argument that Torts’ actions were “embarrassing” because you were watching the game with your wife and kids is beyond an overreaction and a reach, as if you had to cover your kids eyes or have them look away from the TV screen. Like, please.
- roenick97

The refs set it on a path to get out of control with two phantom calls that went one way (one of which they got the wrong team for the penalty initially) followed by the 10 on Hathaway on a play to me that happens all the time. Guys bump each other after the play etc and most times there are no calls unless it’s a punch to the face. It wasn’t a cheap shot sucker punch to the back of the head or something. Then they follow it up with throwing torts out after he protested what he saw as a one way calling of the game. You have to have a thicker skin as a ref.

The refs performance in the first was the worst I’ve seen in a long time. Bad, one sided calls and straight up screwups. Then they exacerbate the issue by the quick trigger. I have no issue with the coach standing up for the team and expect him to. Further, this happens at times for other teams. It’s not like this is the only coach to lose his cool when his team is getting screwed over.

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Lightning Strike 7 Times vs. Flyers
- bmeltzer

Is there a reason Johansen did not play with the Phantoms?

I know people find what he did entertaining, relatable, even honorable... but at the end of the day the guy just embarrassed himself and hurt his team by not being available behind the bench during a PO push.

We can blame the refs all we want but Torts has a history of meltdowns.

I know people find what he did entertaining, relatable, even honorable... but at the end of the day the guy just embarrassed himself and hurt his team by not being available behind the bench during a PO push.

We can blame the refs all we want but Torts has a history of meltdowns.
- Tomahawk

Tortorella has always been a guy who wears his emotions on his sleeve and as you said, has never been able to control himself. I think when looking at this, yes, he hurt his team for one game but in my opinion. It will have a positive effect, for a short term for more than one game. I think his players will see it as he was sticking up for his team. That tends to help with team building in a "us versus them" way. Both penalty calls were very weak. I have no issue with him flipping out on the referee. He should've left the bench though when tossed. You're not going to win that battle.

As a Flyer fan that might be, but the general concencus is that he acted like an idiot.

I wasn't embarrassed for myself or my wife or kid. I was embarrassed for him. I was embarrassed with my FIL watching the game, watching Torts act like an idiot....with him knowing I support this team.

Your ideas and thoughts are unimportant to me.

The 10 minute misconduct was 100% called for. He cheap shotted a player for NO REASON than he felt like it...that is unsportsmanlike conduct. You say 10 minutes was too much...so you would of preferred a 2 minute penalty? Do you not understand misconducts? YOUR statements on the penalties come off as dumb, and that you don't fully comprehend what a misconduct is.

I asked if you were SSB, as you arguments to me are pointless. You reply to one post, why quoting another post. You question how I felt? FFS.

What the hell does it matter to you if I felt Torts was an embarrassment to the team on Saturday?

I won't reply to you anymore about this. Go away , little man.
- TheFreak

If you were going to ignore me, you would be started to already.

I’ve seen coaches throw benches on to the ice when things haven’t gone their way. Yelling at an official is par for the course. Everybody has seen a manager in baseball kicking dirt at an umpire. This was nothing.

The refs set it on a path to get out of control with two phantom calls that went one way (one of which they got the wrong team for the penalty initially) followed by the 10 on Hathaway on a play to me that happens all the time. Guys bump each other after the play etc and most times there are no calls unless it’s a punch to the face. It wasn’t a cheap shot sucker punch to the back of the head or something. Then they follow it up with throwing torts out after he protested what he saw as a one way calling of the game. You have to have a thicker skin as a ref.

The refs performance in the first was the worst I’ve seen in a long time. Bad, one sided calls and straight up screwups. Then they exacerbate the issue by the quick trigger. I have no issue with the coach standing up for the team and expect him to. Further, this happens at times for other teams. It’s not like this is the only coach to lose his cool when his team is getting screwed over.
- Hextall271

Absolutely. There is zero accountability with the officiating. The league isn’t going to go against them. The refs set the tone and called a bad game 11 minutes in. There is no excuse or argument for the men in the strips. You can find breakdown everywhere in detail of where Wes Macaulay went wrong.

Tortorella has always been a guy who wears his emotions on his sleeve and as you said, has never been able to control himself. I think when looking at this, yes, he hurt his team for one game but in my opinion. It will have a positive effect, for a short term for more than one game. I think his players will see it as he was sticking up for his team. That tends to help with team building in a "us versus them" way. Both penalty calls were very weak. I have no issue with him flipping out on the referee. He should've left the bench though when tossed. You're not going to win that battle.
- MJL

Dunno, it didn't seem like the team really responded in the Tampa game.

Maybe they'll take it out on the Sharks tomorrow.

Dunno, it didn't seem like the team really responded in the Tampa game.

Maybe they'll take it out on the Sharks tomorrow.
- Tomahawk

It’s been beaten to death for a day and a half now, so I don’t want to sound like I’m attacking you. There wasn’t going to be a response from the Flyers. The Flyers were terribly unprepared for the game and Tampa is too good of a team, this we know.

Awful loss from top to bottom. Fortunately this team does not have too many clunkers this year. So I am willing to move on from this.

The org has to do better in terms of the roster. Having just 5 d-men available to start a game CANNOT happen. Ever.

Tortorella has always been a guy who wears his emotions on his sleeve and as you said, has never been able to control himself. I think when looking at this, yes, he hurt his team for one game but in my opinion. It will have a positive effect, for a short term for more than one game. I think his players will see it as he was sticking up for his team. That tends to help with team building in a "us versus them" way. Both penalty calls were very weak. I have no issue with him flipping out on the referee. He should've left the bench though when tossed. You're not going to win that battle.
- MJL

This is my point. I don't have an issue with him standing up for the team. It's the refusal to leave, screaming Fuq off to the ref..there was no way he was going to be staying on the bench, and he knew it....he acted like a spoiled kindergarten kid that wasn't getting his way. I fully expect a coach to voice his concerns, I have never had an issue with a coach arguing his point with a ref or the press, but I do have an issue with him refusing to leave the bench when he was told to. Maybe the refs felt the game was slipping out of control, the Hathaway penalty was a warning, and the coach continued. I don't know.

First of all, thanks for posting the video. I wanted to see the penalty. I've watched it re-watched it about a dozen times. After doing that, I can't come to a consensus on whether that is a penalty or not. It's a race for the puck. The Flyers going back have a right to fight for position going back to the puck. It looks to me like both Flyers tried to seal the Lightning player off. They have a right to that space. The Lightining player almost tried to squeeze through and with incidental contact, he went down. That's an iffy call in my view. It's a play I can see getting called or let go. The ref making the wrong announcement is a nothing burger. I agree it's kind of silly of Tortorella not leaving but I don't have an issue with him standing up for his team when he thinks they got screwed
- MJL

Most teams "obstruct" players during puck pursuit in some form or another. The Isles are the kings of it. To me this was a call that did not need to be made. By rule I am sure it was a penalty. So the ref is not wrong.

Was at the game last night, before hitting the Grand Prix of St. Petersburg today. Both were glorious. It has become so easy to hate the Flyers, from ownership to management to coaching to sportswriters to fans. Have to feel bad for the players, though. No wonder the Flyers can’t attract free agents without overpaying.
- Quetzalcoatl

I'm happy to report that the 'smooth' organizations you align with are crashing into a hell of their making.
To be willing and wanting to get ice time encourages your free agents?

Most teams "obstruct" players during puck pursuit in some form or another. The Isles are the kings of it. To me this was a call that did not need to be made. By rule I am sure it was a penalty. So the ref is not wrong.
- mickel25

Very good point. We see that obstruction all the time on icing plays. Sometimes there’s incidental contact but it’s rarely called.

Dunno, it didn't seem like the team really responded in the Tampa game.

Maybe they'll take it out on the Sharks tomorrow.
- Tomahawk

Leafs played well without Reilly and some were quoted saying they were playing hard for him. I’d expect them to show up against San Jose in torts absence.

I know people find what he did entertaining, relatable, even honorable... but at the end of the day the guy just embarrassed himself and hurt his team by not being available behind the bench during a PO push.

We can blame the refs all we want but Torts has a history of meltdowns.
- Tomahawk

I was fine with it….I know in this new snowflake world his normal detractors will pounce. So be it. I saw a coach who was defending his team who had some really brutal calls against them. Add in their slow start, the coach probably figured he might have to be the one to bring the emotion…be that right or wrong.
It’s not like Torts goes off anymore then other coach’s around the league on the refs. I haven’t seen it. What I saw was a piss poor job by one of the senior refs in the league who doubled down and tossed Torts and then decided to send over the young guy to explain. This was a big game for the Flyers and some pretty questionable calls were made and pretty much (frank)ed over a team that came out flat 10 minutes in.
I’m not surprised by the league response who prides its self on protecting the integrity of the game and its officials went at Torts the way they did with the suspension and fine… But in this case McCauley made the game about himself.

Most teams "obstruct" players during puck pursuit in some form or another. The Isles are the kings of it. To me this was a call that did not need to be made. By rule I am sure it was a penalty. So the ref is not wrong.
- mickel25

The two skates colliding innocently were the only reason the guy fell…Attard did not warrant a penalty. Brutal call… it’s not a penalty. It’s not like he hooked him it was two guys skating for the puck.

Awful loss from top to bottom. Fortunately this team does not have too many clunkers this year. So I am willing to move on from this.

The org has to do better in terms of the roster. Having just 5 d-men available to start a game CANNOT happen. Ever.
- mickel25

Lost in the Torts ejection was a Flyer team that came out flat….and Ersson couldn’t bail them out this time.

I was fine with it….I know in this new snowflake world his normal detractors will pounce. So be it. I saw a coach who was defending his team who had some really brutal calls against them. Add in their slow start, the coach probably figured he might have to be the one to bring the emotion…be that right or wrong.
It’s not like Torts goes off anymore then other coach’s around the league on the refs. I haven’t seen it. What I saw was a piss poor job by one of the senior refs in the league who doubled down and tossed Torts and then decided to send over the young guy to explain. This was a big game for the Flyers and some pretty questionable calls were made and pretty much (frank)ed over a team that came out flat 10 minutes in.
I’m not surprised by the league response who prides its self on protecting the integrity of the game and its officials went at Torts the way they did with the suspension and fine… But in this case McCauley made the game about himself.
- landros 2

Marty Biron had a nice fair take on the situation:

Marty Biron had a nice fair take on the situation:


- Tomahawk

Somewhat true…except he never addressed how it got to 3-0. He made it sound like that’s when the problem started. That’s simply not what happened.

Lost in the Torts ejection was a Flyer team that came out flat….and Ersson couldn’t bail them out this time.
- landros 2

Yeah, when he let in that blooper goal for the 3rd goal against that pretty much ended the game right there. When a team is struggling to find their footing your goalie can't give that goal up. That might have been his softest goal of the season to date.