this is true. we knew this going in. and we wanted accountability for everyone. it's a drop in the bucket. I personally think Coots shouldn't have been so quick to the woe is me act but that's my opinion.
- anti-lame

Ya…I guess I wish coots had kept his comments generic….but unlike some I get his frustration….micro phone in his face….but we are here now.

Good to see Konecny off the shnide

here we go boys

the only thing dumber than me even bringing it up would be to tell you who he is. believe it, don't - it's fine. i'll be ok.
- anti-lame

So if you know more than most can you give us a rebuttal or breakdown form what Daddy says to what Bill posted? I mean they must work together. Looking forward to your detailed response.



It doesn't matter what I think. It sure as hell doesn't matter what YOU think (whoever the hell you are). it DOES matter how this went over in the room, with Tortorella barely communicating beyond "you need to be better", then scratching their captain in a must-win game, and then sending an assistant coach out to do gameday media because the HC "doesn't want to talk today" (THAT was the reason we were told, and which turned out to be true). That was weak as hell.

And if you don't think the players noticed and didn't like it -- or that the GM and the POHO didn't notice it and were A-OK with it (not the scatch decision, which is a coach's prerogative, but with someone who preaches professionalism and accountability out the wazoo demonstrating anything but those traits -- I can you that you are 100 percent wrong.


Fact: Back in November, Tortorella was asked about Couturier's very heavy ice time. He said they KNEW he had to be mindful of load management but "with the way the games have been, we have to focus first on winning."

OK, then. So Tortorella is AWARE there's a risk of Couturier hitting the wall but decides to cross that bridge when he comes to it.

Now it's early January. Couturier has played 40 games, putting up basically three points per every four games (29 to be precise) and is averaging 20:03 of ice time. So he's doing fine, team is winning, but they're still burning candle at both ends with the player.

Now it's Jan 12-13. Couturier misses two games with an injury (not his back, but something that could linger for awhile). Returns against Dallas. Has a good first game back (adrenaline?). THEN the drop-off happens, steeply and immediately.

It lasts for six weeks. Tortorella KNOWS all the backstory. Yet, reportedly, it's Tortorella's decision to name Couturier captain (which has also been insisted is acurate behind the scenes). Meanwhile, Tortorella had already taken to the crap on the players head/ damn with faint praise method he often uses.

Now it's March. Couturier has never uttered one word of complaint about being moved down in the lineup. Downplays that the mid-January injury had anything to do with his drop-off in play. Actually started playing better in three of his last four games. Healthy scratch for the first time in his NHL career. Faces the music by discussing it, admitting his frustration. That's all it was. A moment of frustration. Insisted he wouldn't rock the boat and would just keep working, which is 100 percent credible because it's what he's done, day in and day out for 13 years.

Where's the coach? Didn't "feel like" talking. Sends an assistant coach out -- who, by the way, gave some worthwhile insight about the area he actually does coach and defers all Couturier questions to the head coach. But the head coach refuses to discuss it again after the game. And won't discuss it two days later when he scratches his captain again in another huge game.

YOU, pal, are not around the room. You have no contact with players or management or anyone around the team. You're a Tortorella fan, and that's fine. But don't tell me you have the slightest clue what's been going on all year. You don't.

No, I don't think Tortorella is going to be dismissed as HC or anything like that. No, I don't think he deserves no credit for things that have right overall this year. He does. But don't tell me "this well strengthen his grip" or some bullcrap like that. This did not help and was not necessary.

That's it.
- bmeltzer

Tippett extension not looking too shabby

Huge point. The rest is gravy.

So far a well earned point - here's hoping another one is in the stars tonight

Anybody missing cryturier?

Great 3rd period by the Flyers.

Great 3rd period by the Flyers.
- Pixote Andolini

Agreed

So if you know more than most can you give us a rebuttal or breakdown form what Daddy says to what Bill posted? I mean they must work together. Looking forward to your detailed response.



It doesn't matter what I think. It sure as hell doesn't matter what YOU think (whoever the hell you are). it DOES matter how this went over in the room, with Tortorella barely communicating beyond "you need to be better", then scratching their captain in a must-win game, and then sending an assistant coach out to do gameday media because the HC "doesn't want to talk today" (THAT was the reason we were told, and which turned out to be true). That was weak as hell.

And if you don't think the players noticed and didn't like it -- or that the GM and the POHO didn't notice it and were A-OK with it (not the scatch decision, which is a coach's prerogative, but with someone who preaches professionalism and accountability out the wazoo demonstrating anything but those traits -- I can you that you are 100 percent wrong.


Fact: Back in November, Tortorella was asked about Couturier's very heavy ice time. He said they KNEW he had to be mindful of load management but "with the way the games have been, we have to focus first on winning."

OK, then. So Tortorella is AWARE there's a risk of Couturier hitting the wall but decides to cross that bridge when he comes to it.

Now it's early January. Couturier has played 40 games, putting up basically three points per every four games (29 to be precise) and is averaging 20:03 of ice time. So he's doing fine, team is winning, but they're still burning candle at both ends with the player.

Now it's Jan 12-13. Couturier misses two games with an injury (not his back, but something that could linger for awhile). Returns against Dallas. Has a good first game back (adrenaline?). THEN the drop-off happens, steeply and immediately.

It lasts for six weeks. Tortorella KNOWS all the backstory. Yet, reportedly, it's Tortorella's decision to name Couturier captain (which has also been insisted is acurate behind the scenes). Meanwhile, Tortorella had already taken to the crap on the players head/ damn with faint praise method he often uses.

Now it's March. Couturier has never uttered one word of complaint about being moved down in the lineup. Downplays that the mid-January injury had anything to do with his drop-off in play. Actually started playing better in three of his last four games. Healthy scratch for the first time in his NHL career. Faces the music by discussing it, admitting his frustration. That's all it was. A moment of frustration. Insisted he wouldn't rock the boat and would just keep working, which is 100 percent credible because it's what he's done, day in and day out for 13 years.

Where's the coach? Didn't "feel like" talking. Sends an assistant coach out -- who, by the way, gave some worthwhile insight about the area he actually does coach and defers all Couturier questions to the head coach. But the head coach refuses to discuss it again after the game. And won't discuss it two days later when he scratches his captain again in another huge game.

YOU, pal, are not around the room. You have no contact with players or management or anyone around the team. You're a Tortorella fan, and that's fine. But don't tell me you have the slightest clue what's been going on all year. You don't.

No, I don't think Tortorella is going to be dismissed as HC or anything like that. No, I don't think he deserves no credit for things that have right overall this year. He does. But don't tell me "this well strengthen his grip" or some bullcrap like that. This did not help and was not necessary.

That's it.
- bmeltzer
- Flyfly

what i see here is someone who is overly outraged by a player who has 1 goal in 27 games being benched. his bias against Torts is pretty loud and clear here.

we aren't talking about little johnny's hurt feelings at little league. these are multi-millionaire athletes.

Agreed
- jackfrost

… and we lose. Huge to get one pt. Put coots on waivers.

what i see here is someone who is overly outraged by a player who has 1 goal in 27 games being benched. his bias against Torts is pretty loud and clear here.

we aren't talking about little johnny's hurt feelings at little league. these are multi-millionaire athletes.
- anti-lame

So in reality you got nothing? Just your opinion like the rest of us.

Farabee misses the net- ballgame- Ersson deserved better

Take the point and hold the chins up high

This type of playing if they can sustain it will benefit them in the long run

The PP needs significant overhaul - Captain Obvious statement I know - if they hope to be in any playoff series or battle for a slot

Tough break for York. This might be the most impressive 1 point they've earned so far this season.

I'll say it again. That's on Torts. Leaving points on the ice there. Starting Poehling and then subbing out for Laughton. Carolina had their rippers out there. It's so silly. Frost Konecny and Tippett should have been out there.

Great 3rd period by the Flyers.
- Pixote Andolini

Agreed. Getting the point was huge. Ersson was solid good as well.

The Flyers have 3 opponents. The Canes, the refs (there were at least 2-3 blatant non-calls in the 3rd as the Flyers dominated that period), and Torts.

The idea that Tortorella is scratching Couturier to try and get the team to bond together against the coach is patently absurd. This team has been together and on the same page and playing their asses off for each other and this coach. Common sense refutes that nonsense.
- MJL

I dunno. He’s old school enough to try that. That’s exactly the strategy that Herb Brooks used with the 80 Olympic team. That may be a short term strategy from Torts to try a mind game into a playoff spot. It’s a short term strategy that burns credibility. Torts doesn’t care. He’s always in the present.

They deserved 2! Cya in the first round

Farabee misses the net- ballgame- Ersson deserved better
- Trox88

Yup….they had a copuple really good looks…3 two on ones….not ideal…but a massive point.

So in reality you got nothing? Just your opinion like the rest of us.
- Flyfly

It's a complete misread of what Bill is saying. He doesn't have squat.

Yup….they had a copuple really good looks…3 two on ones….not ideal…but a massive point.
- landros 2

Torts borrowing from the Herb playbook. How old school does one need to get before people realize that doesn’t work in the modern day NHL? Doesn’t matter if you agree or not today’s game is different.

The Flyers have 3 opponents. The Canes, the refs (there were at least 2-3 blatant non-calls in the 3rd as the Flyers dominated that period), and Torts.
- Pixote Andolini

I kinda like they let them play…. But it’s never the same depending on who is calling the game…that I agree with.