the fact peeps still have any faith in this franchise/management is astounding to me.

they are the oakland raiders.

they are rudderless. they have zero fn plan. no clue on what they want to do. they are allergic to talent that helps you win.

right now I am enjoying this poop show. there is no end in sight. this is what the flyers organization and their fans deserve. most of the fans.
- hello it's me 2050

I'm a Raider fan and I can safely say I'd take Vegas' FO over the Flyers.

Ahh Jfc here we go with another mid at best dman excuse. Just like when niskanen left.
These guys aren’t game changers. They are nothing burgers
- Stayin alive

Im not saying Walker is Brian Leech.. Im saying he help the team and took minutes. He helped PK.. Its a complete snowball effect that happened... I hated Torts last year, I think he is a Richard. but he is a good coach for the right team.. This season I admit, i like some of his tatics early in the season, but his poop wears thin..

Drysdale is very inconsistent. Some games I see the skill and talent and think he is going to be pretty good. Other games I think he's a young defenseman lacking hockey sense who offers nothing but good wheels.
- MJL

karl dykhaus

Im not saying Walker is Brian Leech.. Im saying he help the team and took minutes. He helped PK.. Its a complete snowball effect that happened... I hated Torts last year, I think he is a Richard. but he is a good coach for the right team.. This season I admit, i like some of his tatics early in the season, but his poop wears thin..
- jjackels55

My point with it is losing walker did basically nothing. Same as losing hart. Or losing coots. Etc etc etc. this team SUCKS. These excuses fans use injury, players in out, torts, etc etc etc mean nothing.
The biggest problem. PROBLEM #1 is top end talent.
There is really only 1 realistic to get it because they don’t have any players worthy to get a path to them.

Draft them. Signing players like seeker tk (hopefully not) just compounds the problem.

We shall see this summer what they do

no sam reinhart. it's no different than signing TK. we aren't there yet.

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fedotov may see this team as his best chance to come in and be a #1 so he might stay

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Torts will likely be back for next year at least.

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Drysdale is 22. give him some time.

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is there any deal to be made involving TK for either Quinton Byfield or Wyatt Johnson? I know, "why would those teams trade them?" Well everyone is available for a price. but either of these guys would fill a need and for the future. I haven't looked - are there any cap dumps we can take on to help facilitate the money? Would we have to include a pick?

no sam reinhart. it's no different then signing TK. we aren't there yet.

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fedotov may see this team as his best chance to come in and be a #1 so he might stay

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Torts will likely be back for next year at least.

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Drysdale is 22. give him some time.

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is there any deal to be made involving TK for either Quinton Byfield or Wyatt Johnson? I know, "why would those teams trade them?" Well everyone is available for a price. but either of these guys would fill a need and for the future. I haven't looked - are there any cap dumps we can take on to help facilitate the money? Would we have to include a pick?
- anti-lame

You aren’t getting players like that for tk. No contending team now is gonna move a younger player that could be as good.

You are either getting picks or prospects not in nhl from a team that is looking at tk to take the next step into players or possibly joining contenders.


And it’s a moot point to even think about. This stupid ass team is gonna resign him

no sam reinhart. it's no different then signing TK. we aren't there yet.

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fedotov may see this team as his best chance to come in and be a #1 so he might stay

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Torts will likely be back for next year at least.

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Drysdale is 22. give him some time.

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is there any deal to be made involving TK for either Quinton Byfield or Wyatt Johnson? I know, "why would those teams trade them?" Well everyone is available for a price. but either of these guys would fill a need and for the future. I haven't looked - are there any cap dumps we can take on to help facilitate the money? Would we have to include a pick?
- anti-lame

I don't see those guys being moved.

Just because they say it does not make it true.

If the team was rebuilding they would not have re-signed seeler. They would have traded tk, rp, gh, sl for assets at the deadline. They would not have traded for the corpse of ej.

The President of hockey operations even admitted that they weren't rebuilding - rube like you toe the company line all day tho
- corduroy

Exactly, this is not a rebuild. Rebuilding teams would have sold off more assets and not signed Seeler to a 4 year deal. This was and is nothing more than a marketing campaign to placate to the fans that aren't all that knowledgeable.

I don't see those guys being moved.
- J35Bacher

fine, fine i'll throw in Seeler

Trading Walker at a time when Risto, Seeler, Drysdale were all hurt, leaving Sanheim and York to do all the heavy lifting (while already overplaying Ersson), was the snowball starting down the hill. Should they have ever lost 8 in a row even so? Probably not, but they also didn't have room for error like that.

Danny deserves some of the heat as much as Torts. Why he decided to use a pick on Gurianov, who Torts seems to have 0 interest in using, while multiple goalies were available, is beyond me. Instead he stuck with an exhausted Ersson, and nothing but question marks behind him.

Torts' decision on Couturier I think was unneccesary and served no positive purpose, but it wasn't the end of the world. Hell, if memory serves me right, they went 1-0-1 in the games he was scratched. That being said, it was a negative spot light on the team that was just not needed. Why atrract bull crap drama at that time? Just play Coots less minutes as he eventually did. It serves a similar purpose without throwing a magnifying glass on them.

The year overall has still I think been a susccess, even with this absolute egg being laid. You can't look at how they outshot/outchanced/outworked teams ALL year and say this year is the same as the previous seasons. That being said, they still have a BUNCH of work to do on this roster.

The team has sucked hard this last stretch, but the overall season has been a step in the right direction. Both things CAN be true.

Didn't even mention Carter Hart's fantastic contribution.
- epa80

This is one of the best posts I've read summing up this team.

I had thought the same as you, why not use that pick on an older goalie, someone who can stabilize things, as they were already feeling the effects of the Errson/Hart tandem ending.

Agree with your statement about DB. He's aggressive and unafraid, all things that will serve him well, but he's going to make mistakes in the process of becoming a really good GM - and we just witnessed them. He brought in Johnson for stability, the same was needed for the net. They had said 2 years ago, when first trying to get Fodotov, that he would need conditioning in the AHL. It was a gamble that didn't work out.

But here's my kicker...what if the sky isn't always blue, and the grass not always green? And great defencemen don't all come from the draft? I was deathly afraid of Walker turning out to be the chemistry/glue guy on the blue line. Take one look at Seeler now and we see why. Teams wanted to trade for the 2 of them in one package ! They were that good together.

The right move was to replace Hart with an NHL goalie and move Seeler. There is no trailer now for those odd man rush goals. And now, there's not even odd man rushes. Not sure what we have in Drysdale defensively. He's still unproven. he's got time, but he's not trending in the right direction currently.

All that said, it's not something that can't be fixed in the offseason. We know they weren't going to win the cup. Were they good enough to win 1 or 2 games in a playoff series? (doubtful) I agree with some of the other posters. At least now, maybe they might move on from some of the vets to get those picks. This combination of players are not going to get it done.

Exactly, this is not a rebuild. Rebuilding teams would have sold off more assets and not signed Seeler to a 4 year deal. This was and is nothing more than a marketing campaign to placate to the fans that aren't all that knowledgeable.
- Flyfly

I too fear this… what’s done with tk will be the proof in the pudding. Although this expect collapse hopefully shows them the way. It truly is the last best sign to this team. I honestly can’t think of any other sign that could be sent their way to make them see the light.

It’s just willful ignoring if they sign tk and don’t go full rebuild

I'm a Raider fan and I can safely say I'd take Vegas' FO over the Flyers.
- Pelle31Forever

That's low. Trying to recreate the Patriots has never worked out for any team, not even the Patriots anymore. What is it, they are paying McD for 5 more years and Jimmy Glass for 2?

This is one of the best posts I've read summing up this team.

I had thought the same as you, why not use that pick on an older goalie, someone who can stabilize things, as they were already feeling the effects of the Errson/Hart tandem ending.

Agree with your statement about DB. He's aggressive and unafraid, all things that will serve him well, but he's going to make mistakes in the process of becoming a really good GM - and we just witnessed them. He brought in Johnson for stability, the same was needed for the net. They had said 2 years ago, when first trying to get Fodotov, that he would need conditioning in the AHL. It was a gamble that didn't work out.

But here's my kicker...what if the sky isn't always blue, and the grass not always green? And great defencemen don't all come from the draft? I was deathly afraid of Walker turning out to be the chemistry/glue guy on the blue line. Take one look at Seeler now and we see why. Teams wanted to trade for the 2 of them in one package ! They were that good together.

The right move was to replace Hart with an NHL goalie and move Seeler. There is no trailer now for those odd man rush goals. And now, there's not even odd man rushes. Not sure what we have in Drysdale defensively. He's still unproven. he's got time, but he's not trending in the right direction currently.

All that said, it's not something that can't be fixed in the offseason. We know they weren't going to win the cup. Were they good enough to win 1 or 2 games in a playoff series? (doubtful) I agree with some of the other posters. At least now, maybe they might move on from some of the vets to get those picks. This combination of players are not going to get it done.
- BluehorseShoe64

Did Jake Allen stabilize the Devils. Here is the deal. Seeler on a top team is a 3rd pair player. As a pairing, Sanheim and York are not a legitimate top defense pairing. Together they are a second defense pairing on a good team. One or either of them could be partnered with a legit #1 defenseman and be serviceable.
Drysdale has missed a lot of hockey and has been in and out of the lineup. Have to give him a chance. They have to leave spots open for young players to have a chance. So what do they need Walker for? Thankfully they couldn't come to an agreement on a new deal. The Flyers missing the playoffs for the long term, is a good thing. Chance to get a better pick and maybe move up with the lottery.

Well, preasure is off. Play the kids, Staal and Johnson won't be back. We have our top 4 D set for next year. Play Fedotov, give him some NHL starts. Just have fun and enjoy the last bit of Hockey this year.

You aren’t getting players like that for tk. No contending team now is gonna move a younger player that could be as good.

You are either getting picks or prospects not in nhl from a team that is looking at tk to take the next step into players or possibly joining contenders.


And it’s a moot point to even think about. This stupid ass team is gonna resign him
- Stayin alive

you're probably right but my hail mary is in hoping the Stars are in a "win now" window with Pavelski and Benn (Pavelski and Duchene are UFAs after this season, Benn the following year) and TK is a known commodity versus a young Johnson.

god dammit can't i just hope there are other dumb GMs out there??

Been giving this some thought as I watch the Flyers implode down the stretch here. I have already stated my unhappiness with Tort's reluctance to play Attart and Ginning, his inability to give Lycksell, who has shown good promise, more minutes, his approach to OT and his rediculous post game pressers. And now I am thinking, maybe Torts was the reason Gauthier did not want to play for the Flyers. And maybe Torts will be the reason a good young player like Rizzo decides he wants to be a free agent. I think Briere and Jones really need to have a sit down with Torts and figure this out and do it soon. Maybe it is time for Torts to move into a front office role for the remainder of his contract. And Maybe it's time for Briere to install his choice for coach, which I hope will be outside of the organization.
- jd250

Coach of the year!

My point with it is losing walker did basically nothing. Same as losing hart. Or losing coots. Etc etc etc. this team SUCKS. These excuses fans use injury, players in out, torts, etc etc etc mean nothing.
The biggest problem. PROBLEM #1 is top end talent.
There is really only 1 realistic to get it because they don’t have any players worthy to get a path to them.

Draft them. Signing players like seeker tk (hopefully not) just compounds the problem.

We shall see this summer what they do
- Stayin alive

The biggest problem. PROBLEM #1 is top end talent.
This is exactly it!!!! our top players are 3rd and 4th line players on Cup teams

Drysdale is 22. give him some time.

- anti-lame

He's a 22 year old on his second contract with 144 games under his belt and multiple significant injuries to the same shoulder. This is his 4th year in the league.

He only played 8 games last year with a torn labrum
He has only played 31 games this year with an "upper body" injury to the same shoulder.

Still time and room to get better but he's not wet behind the ears and has missed over 100 games the last 2 years to left shoulder injuries. Hopefully this goes better than when the Flyers traded for Ellis.

Good Afternoon Bill,

If you had to qualify the chances of signing TK this off-season, would it be:

1.). Slam dunk
2.). 50/50
3.) Doubtful and looking to trade


Thanks

Did Jake Allen stabilize the Devils. Here is the deal. Seeler on a top team is a 3rd pair player. As a pairing, Sanheim and York are not a legitimate top defense pairing. Together they are a second defense pairing on a good team. One or either of them could be partnered with a legit #1 defenseman and be serviceable.
Drysdale has missed a lot of hockey and has been in and out of the lineup. Have to give him a chance. They have to leave spots open for young players to have a chance. So what do they need Walker for? Thankfully they couldn't come to an agreement on a new deal. The Flyers missing the playoffs for the long term, is a good thing. Chance to get a better pick and maybe move up with the lottery.
- MJL

yes allen did stabilize the devils to a degree. has given them better goaltending then what they had prior.

what young players should they leave spots open for next season? The D is already set pretty much. Zamula york and JD are "young". how many more spots you want to leave available? dont you always say just cant throw them to the wolves and "ruin" their development?

what young guys in the system are ready for the nhl that they need t leave a spot open for up front? surety you have just 1 name no?

We'd like to believe that Danny is this voice of dissent but what's more likely is the three of them just jerk each other off in total agreement most of the time.
- Tomahawk

do not disagree

Habs announcer had an interesting take on the Flyers PP. He said the players don't know where the outlet valve is when pressure comes, if they don't make a great pass the play is over and cleared out. I really think that nails it. That can be practiced, actually has to be, you have to know you where your supposed to be and where you safety values are. This is absolutely an issue with Torts and PP coach.

Habs announcer had an interesting take on the Flyers PP. He said the players don't know where the outlet valve is when pressure comes, if they don't make a great pass the play is over and cleared out. I really think that nails it. That can be practiced, actually has to be, you have to know you where your supposed to be and where you safety values are. This is absolutely an issue with Torts and PP coach.
- wcorvette

watching other teams' PP players are constantly moving and weaving and flowing and creating room and options. we just stand there. at one point tippett got the puck in the corner and you could see he just had no good play because no one was moving. They need a new voice on the PP, no more Rocky. Unless he takes his shirt off and tries to fight Nic D, I'd sign up for that

The biggest problem. PROBLEM #1 is top end talent.
This is exactly it!!!! our top players are 3rd and 4th line players on Cup teams
- jjackels55

Yup, exactly
On a top team, TK is a 2RW
Farabee-Couts-Tippett is a good 3rd line
Laughton-Poehling-Foerster is a good 4th line and Hathaway/Cates are your depth forwards

On D, York-Sanheim is a 2nd pair and Seeler is half of a 3rd pair. Drysdale, who isn’t 100% IMO is a depth guy right now along with, if he ever gets healthy, Fisto

And they obviously lack a #1 goaltender.

This team, even under astute management which they don’t have, is a minimum of 3 years away from contention and probably more like 4 or 5.

It’s truly a mess.

Yup, exactly
On a top team, TK is a 2RW
Farabee-Couts-Tippett is a good 3rd line
Laughton-Poehling-Foerster is a good 4th line and Hathaway/Cates are your depth forwards

On D, York-Sanheim is a 2nd pair and Seeler is half of a 3rd pair. Drysdale, who isn’t 100% IMO is a depth guy right now along with, if he ever gets healthy, Fisto

And they obviously lack a #1 goaltender.

This team, even under astute management which they don’t have, is a minimum of 3 years away from contention and probably more like 4 or 5.

It’s truly a mess.
- BiggE

cates and GH are legit NHL players not depth guys. Forest is better than 4th line.

Maybe Walker made Seeler look better than he really looked. As 3rd pair making 1.5 seeler is good value. His contract now is not good value.

They have so much work to do it was just another wasted year.