Just read a fun tweet:

The Flyers during their 8-game losing streak:

2nd best CF% in the NHL (58.13)**

BEST High Danger Chances For % at 64.48

Outshooting opponents 279-192

.781 save percentage. By FAR worst in the NHL, behind Calgary at .861

This isn't a coach having a team "quit" on him.

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**in all situations

This is a team bereft of true scoring talent, especially if your best player (Konecny) is likely injured.

The people whining about trading Walker while also saying this team sucks are breaking logic. You either have to agree: trade you best asset for picks if you’re in a rebuild or accept the mediocrity we’ve experienced the last decade.

The Flyers were never supposed to make the playoffs this year. They’re punching above their weight and the rest of the teams in the Metro not named CBJ have wildly underachieved.

The collapse is awful and 100% on brand for the Flyers, but how mad would you all be if they didn’t trade Walker at the deadline and this happened? And let’s be real, they weren’t getting a useful goalie at the deadline that would’ve/could’ve reversed this

From elsewhere:

7th in the NHL in xGF%.

BUT

.887 team save percentage. Tied for last in the league.

.968 team PDO. Last in the league.

.849 save percentage in the 32 games since Hart's leave of absence. Comically abysmal.

.781 save percentage over their 8-game losing streak. I have no words.

When your goaltending collapses, your team collapses.

Apologies if this has been talked about.

Flyers are 2-7-3 since benching their captain.

I think Torts wants to be fired. Benching came after the temper tantrum. My ignorant guess is Captain called him out on his behaviour/made a joke and Torts didn't like that and benched him.

Killing the teams spirit as the coach refuses to apologize for his ridiculous behaviour.

I was pulling for Philly as I thought Ottawa and Flyers were basically same team (along with Detroit), but Torts can't stop being himself.

There's obviously still a chance but 9 goals against Montreal is a team quitting on the coach.

I think a large percentage of the fanbase is confused and torn as to whether they want a rebuild or not.

All year, Torts/Danny B/Jonesy have been saying this is a rebuild and they were sellers at the deadline to reinforce that stance.

Now people are mad at them for trading Walker (which was absolutely the right move, especially if this team is years away, which according to the Michkov timeline they are) and yelling about the team missing the playoffs.

I think everyone needs to realize the Flyers playoff push was less about how good of a team they are/were and more about how goddamn awful the Devils, Red Wings, Isles, Pens, and Caps were this year.
- lindros's lung

If you're torn over rebuilding I'd suggest finding a new team to root for.

Fans want the rebuild but they can't stomach the actual process.

We get the team that we deserve.
- Tomahawk

Straight 🔥 post 👍

you're probably right but my hail mary is in hoping the Stars are in a "win now" window with Pavelski and Benn (Pavelski and Duchene are UFAs after this season, Benn the following year) and TK is a known commodity versus a young Johnson.

god dammit can't i just hope there are other dumb GMs out there??

- anti-lame

No you can’t… if there were they’d be employed by philly 🤷‍♂️

That's low. Trying to recreate the Patriots has never worked out for any team, not even the Patriots anymore. What is it, they are paying McD for 5 more years and Jimmy Glass for 2?
- Flyers_01

That is because no team ever had a generational GOAT Superstar who took less money so he could have a team around him.

From elsewhere:

7th in the NHL in xGF%.

BUT

.887 team save percentage. Tied for last in the league.

.968 team PDO. Last in the league.

.849 save percentage in the 32 games since Hart's leave of absence. Comically abysmal.

.781 save percentage over their 8-game losing streak. I have no words.

When your goaltending collapses, your team collapses.
- hello it's me 2050

I think had the hart and ersson tandem remained, we’d have made the playoffs. Ersson was clearly not ready to handle the workload and pressure of being a number 1. The team has also not played well in that we haven’t given goal scoring support and when the chances against came they were prime. Really hope they can figure out the goalie situation and find who the number one is.

For the reasons you state, you have to build from the net out. Even rebuilding, a young team loses so much confidence if you can’t trust your tender.

I think your answer about direction was answered when they went long term on Tippet….not a tear down move. You also don’t sign a 29 yr old D man to a 4 year contract.
- landros 2

Not when it's Nick Seeler.

If it was a Hedman or Pieterangelo in his prime, or someone of that elk...you sure do.

If you're torn over rebuilding I'd suggest finding a new team to root for.
- Pelle31Forever

Trading Walker was the right play all along. I was worried they’d collapse losing that stability on d and I was correct. They couldn’t overcome that along with seeler and drysdale going down at the same time. The team lost confidence, the head coach started playing head games with the captain and they just couldn’t arrest the fall. The last two games they’ve either completely given up or quit.

Yup, exactly
On a top team, TK is a 2RW
Farabee-Couts-Tippett is a good 3rd line
Laughton-Poehling-Foerster is a good 4th line and Hathaway/Cates are your depth forwards

On D, York-Sanheim is a 2nd pair and Seeler is half of a 3rd pair. Drysdale, who isn’t 100% IMO is a depth guy right now along with, if he ever gets healthy, Fisto

And they obviously lack a #1 goaltender.

This team, even under astute management which they don’t have, is a minimum of 3 years away from contention and probably more like 4 or 5.

It’s truly a mess.
- BiggE

I think I am a very harsh grader of talent and where they should slot. It is all dependent on the makeup of a whole team kinda. If you have star players on top line say like Toronto or avs then you can easily slot players like bee tip tk on 2nd line and they’d be just fine there. Maybe even trees eventually.

If however you have say top line like Minnesota with a star and 2 really good players having bee tip etc doesn’t look as good on 2nd line.


The flyers problem is mm is gonna be a stud and need to add to that. Trading cg was a mistake. They should’ve played hardball. Made him sign or rot. Could’ve always traded him later like sakic did with duchene type. Be that is it is they have a lot of draft capital to make moves.
We shall see what direction they go in

Unfortunately they haven't started. They started winning and deviated from the plan. Trading Walker doesn't change that.
- Pelle31Forever

What would have changed that in your mind?

That's low. Trying to recreate the Patriots has never worked out for any team, not even the Patriots anymore. What is it, they are paying McD for 5 more years and Jimmy Glass for 2?
- Flyers_01

I'm more speaking on the Raiders understand their issues and have tried fixing them. Specifically the Raiders have failed at drafting, more so in 1st round. So they fired Zieger and brought in Tom Telesco who has a great track record of drafting in the early rounds.

I'm not even sure the Flyers understand how to fix this and probably couldn't articulate what the issues are.

Trading Walker was the right play all along. I was worried they’d collapse losing that stability on d and I was correct. They couldn’t overcome that along with seeler and drysdale going down at the same time. The team lost confidence, the head coach started playing head games with the captain and they just couldn’t arrest the fall. The last two games they’ve either completely given up or quit.
- Hextall271

Trading Walker alone isn't a rebuild. Plus the fact they entertained resigning him speaks volumes.

I'm fairly confident they'll go into next season trying to retool rather rebuild. They'll try to fix the PP, maybe address the goalie and be like " ta da, Yay playoffs."

Trading Walker alone isn't a rebuild. Plus the fact they entertained resigning him speaks volumes.

I'm fairly confident they'll go into next season trying to retool rather rebuild. They'll try to fix the PP, maybe address the goalie and be like " ta da, Yay playoffs."
- Pelle31Forever

the flyers have no idea how to fix it. Then again do they even think it is broken?

if torts doesn't dismiss/re-assign Rocky right after the last game then that will be funny.

Straight 🔥 post 👍
- Pelle31Forever

The smart fans know it’s very easy to stomach the process.
This season would’ve been just fine watching players like Ersson frost tip bee York trees zamula brink all see what they do. Instead we got reindeer games and a wasted season pretty much.

They still have a ton of high draft capital next 2 years with mm waiting in wings. While they pissed this season away with tk laughts seeker etc etc etc (players with some real trade value) they still can and have time to move them but time is no running out. We shall see EXACTLY what their plan is by moves they make over next couple months.

You're going to keep waiting. You have no standing to require anything of me.
- MJL

Ok, so for all to see, you criticize the organization and coach by stating they don't play what you term a "modern and updated style of play" but then when asked to define that that means to you, this is your answer.

But to you I'm the one with no standing?

the flyers have no idea how to fix it. Then again do they even think it is broken?

if torts doesn't dismiss/re-assign Rocky right after the last game then that will be funny.
- hello it's me 2050

Briere isn’t stupid. Nor jones. They know EXACTLY how to fix it.

But if ownership put profits as TOP PRIORITY then there’s nothing that can be done to fix it. Status quo.

We will see over next 2 months

The smart fans know it’s very easy to stomach the process.
This season would’ve been just fine watching players like Ersson frost tip bee York trees zamula brink all see what they do. Instead we got reindeer games and a wasted season pretty much.

They still have a ton of high draft capital next 2 years with mm waiting in wings. While they pissed this season away with tk laughts seeker etc etc etc (players with some real trade value) they still can and have time to move them but time is no running out. We shall see EXACTLY what their plan is by moves they make over next couple months.
- Stayin alive

there is no plan, it is a day by day operation.

Briere isn’t stupid. Nor jones. They know EXACTLY how to fix it.

But if ownership put profits as TOP PRIORITY then there’s nothing that can be done to fix it. Status quo.

We will see over next 2 months
- Stayin alive

based on what? how do you draw the conclusion they know how to fix it?

Trading Walker alone isn't a rebuild. Plus the fact they entertained resigning him speaks volumes.

I'm fairly confident they'll go into next season trying to retool rather rebuild. They'll try to fix the PP, maybe address the goalie and be like " ta da, Yay playoffs."
- Pelle31Forever

But why does "rebuild" always have to mean completely through the draft? Why can't the Flyers draft and develop, while also signing some good depth players for fair money and have a competitive team on the ice that the developing players can be part of? Why does "rebuild" have to mean strip it down the to studs and completely start over?

there is no plan, it is a day by day operation.
- hello it's me 2050

It really is. They do have the options to change it if they really wanted to.

TK, Laughton and Farabee would land you some pieces. They already have 20 picks in the next two drafts.

I am 100% convinced TK will be resigned longterm.

yes allen did stabilize the devils to a degree. has given them better goaltending then what they had prior.

what young players should they leave spots open for next season? The D is already set pretty much. Zamula york and JD are "young". how many more spots you want to leave available? dont you always say just cant throw them to the wolves and "ruin" their development?

what young guys in the system are ready for the nhl that they need t leave a spot open for up front? surety you have just 1 name no?
- hello it's me 2050

you have no standing to ask these questions of him, haven't you been paying attention?

But why does "rebuild" always have to mean completely through the draft? Why can't the Flyers draft and develop, while also signing some good depth players for fair money and have a competitive team on the ice that the developing players can be part of? Why does "rebuild" have to mean strip it down the to studs and completely start over?
- jd250

Because that path has the highest probability of success. That's the best chance you have of acquiring guys like Mac, Crosby, Makar, Hedman, etc.

We already lived thru the Hexy era when he was tasked with rebuilding while being ordered to stay competitive. Do we really need to go down that road again? Are memories really that short?

Yes, it's possible to find elite talent later in the draft... but the Flyers scouting staff no longer seems to have the ability to do that. It's been almost 20-years since they identified Claude.

there is no plan, it is a day by day operation.
- hello it's me 2050

They have a plan. It's just a (frank)ing stupid one: Culture First.