And it's only year 1 of the rebuild. This has been an epic collapse and I'm sure this will play into player evaluations; I mean it has to when you lose 6-2 and 9-3 in back to back games against bottom dwellers. But through this entire year, Briere and Jones have no wavered in their opinion of this team, that they are not close to a contending team. I for one am looking forward to the off-season, because I think many moves will be made.
- jd250

https://www.crossingbroad...for-this-flyers-team.html

“We made sure to tell every player on the team that that is BS.”

No matter why he said it and the article gave him as much cover as humanly possible, he was not unwavering, not in the least.

The style of play under Tortorella is not a style of play that wins in today's NHL. It can make a team more competitive. Tortorella needs to be removed. They aren't moving forward. It's a mirage. What they're doing is blocking moving forward.
- MJL

I think Tortorella, by his own admission, isn't long for coaching here or anywhere. Some blurbs I heard seem to suggest he's looking to move to a front office job soon. I dunno if that means Marsh is up next or someone outside the org could be on the radar.

Joel Q might be trying to make a return it sounds.

Hart's departure was the first step in the wrong direction. Then trading Walker with those other injuries finished off the job. The absolutely dreadful PP also contributed mightily.
- Phillywhiteout

Hart wasn't playing well before he left and Ersson had a fine month of Feb (5-2, 2.39, .909%). That seemed like it should have been the turning point but it wasn't. If Hart was still here right now he'd be getting murdered by all the open back door plays and defensive breakdowns too.

Walker was probably a more impactful loss.

LOL, its year 1 under Briere and Jones. Fletcher was never rebuilding, and before that Hextall was trying to straddle the fence.
- jd250

You don't stop rebuilding until you get there. Flyers haven't been there in over a decade. You can change the people all you want. There is so much you have no clue about.

I mostly agree with what you posted here. Just two things. One, in my opinion this team hasn't quit. That's not the reason for it. Secondly, we don't know what Briere is. He is either complicit with the approach the team has taken or is outvoted and lacks power.
- MJL

I agree with you on the quitting. People are saying the team "quit". This led to my post.

I really hope DB is not a little female dog and bends the knee to Torts.

It’s fine for Briere and Jones to say publicly that they are not a contending team….I could care less about their comments. It’s their ACTIONS that are going dictate what their true feelings are. I heard them say they needed to keep a guy like Scott Laughton because he’s the pro that shows guys how to play the right way? He’s not exactly making their statements look true.
- landros 2

Yes, I agree. I see them trading Laughton and Farabee this off-season for sure. They will look to trade Frost and Deslauriers also. They will probably extend Brink and Zamula. Ginning will probably play in Sweden. I don't see Atkinson and Johansen playing for this team next year. I think they are stuck with Couts and Sanheim for the foreseeable future. They will still have $5.2M in dead money plus they will bury Peterson and his $3.85M on the Phantoms. It will be an interesting off-season.

Good point out on the Avs pick options. I was too lazy to do the actual break down. I do forget if all of them were their picks (Makar might have been Ottawa's?), but the point is the same: they stockpiled picks, and got lucky with the players available at some of those picks.

So I guess the main question is: to commit to a tear down/rebuild of the same model, who do you move on from wth the Flyers? I mean the negative tone around most of these parts insinuates they suck pretty hard as is, so how do you suck harder to commit to that strategy of a long rebuild?

Or is it more you cross your fingers and hope to get lucky with high picks not named JVR and Nolan Patrick?
- epa80

I think your answer about direction was answered when they went long term on Tippet….not a tear down move. You also don’t sign a 29 yr old D man to a 4 year contract.

You don't stop rebuilding until you get there. Flyers haven't been there in over a decade. You can change the people all you want. There is so much you have no clue about.
- MJL

typical response, insults but no content.

I think your answer about direction was answered when they went long term on Tippet….not a tear down move. You also don’t sign a 29 yr old D man to a 4 year contract.
- landros 2

But its a 4 year deal at low money and is flexible the final 2 years. It's not going to matter in the grand scheme of things.

typical response, insults but no content.
- jd250

There is plenty of content there. You just can't understand it .

Yes, I agree. I see them trading Laughton and Farabee this off-season for sure. They will look to trade Frost and Deslauriers also. They will probably extend Brink and Zamula. Ginning will probably play in Sweden. I don't see Atkinson and Johansen playing for this team next year. I think they are stuck with Couts and Sanheim for the foreseeable future. They will still have $5.2M in dead money plus they will bury Peterson and his $3.85M on the Phantoms. It will be an interesting off-season.
- jd250

I don't see Frost or Farabee being moved unless it is a good hockey move type deal. I am curious if they revisit moving Sanheim since he had a solid year. I know he has a NTC but would he want to go to a contender?

No matter what this team has a lot of work to do.

I thought the purpose of this year was to evaluate the young players, especially in games that mean something?
- jd250

One thing I've learned from being a Flyers fan for 30-years... don't take anything they say at face value. They want your money.

Fake Rebuild.

Yes, I agree. I see them trading Laughton and Farabee this off-season for sure. They will look to trade Frost and Deslauriers also. They will probably extend Brink and Zamula. Ginning will probably play in Sweden. I don't see Atkinson and Johansen playing for this team next year. I think they are stuck with Couts and Sanheim for the foreseeable future. They will still have $5.2M in dead money plus they will bury Peterson and his $3.85M on the Phantoms. It will be an interesting off-season.
- jd250

I’m not sure what they are going to do. I do think if DB does make some moves he will say that it was the plan all along even before the season ending melt down. As I said last night they Flyers don’t have any players beyond MM and Guathier…oh wait…Just MM I guess that I would be disappointed to see go. All I care is that they stick to some semblance of a plan and give it a chance…right now I’m still seeing a mixed bag.

Holy hell... they're actually selling these at the official team store now?

One thing I've learned from being a Flyers fan for 30-years... don't take anything they say at face value. They want your money.

Fake Rebuild.
- Tomahawk

Always talk about culture but they never change the culture that really needs to be changed. Never.

One thing I've learned from being a Flyers fan for 30-years... don't take anything they say at face value.

Fake Rebuild.
- Tomahawk

Ain’t that the truth.

Holy hell... they're actually selling these at the official team store now?




- Tomahawk

That says it all, doesn't it?

I think your answer about direction was answered when they went long term on Tippet….not a tear down move. You also don’t sign a 29 yr old D man to a 4 year contract.
- landros 2

My math may be off here, but going back to our friends in Colorado, they signed a 27 year old d-man to a 7 year deal in 2015-2016 while the team was in the midst of one of those rebuilds. They finished I believe dead last in the NHL the following season.

I guess the thing is, it isn't unheard of for rebuilding teams to do signings like that.

d-man BTW was Erik Johnson

That says it all, doesn't it?
- MJL

Torts is a money machine for them lol.

And also the release of that shirt coinciding with a total team meltdown is hilarious.

My math may be off here, but going back to our friends in Colorado, they signed a 27 year old d-man to a 7 year deal in 2015-2016 while the team was in the midst of one of those rebuilds. They finished I believe dead last in the NHL the following season.

I guess the thing is, it isn't unheard of for rebuilding teams to do signings like that.

d-man BTW was Erik Johnson
- epa80

Every rebuilding team needs vet support. The Flyers already have that. They don't need anymore. They actually need less.

Every rebuilding team needs vet support. The Flyers already have that. They don't need anymore. They actually need less.
- MJL

Don't totally disagree.

Don't totally disagree.
- epa80

Then why sign Rinehart and Walker? That's the last thing they should do.

Good point out on the Avs pick options. I was too lazy to do the actual break down. I do forget if all of them were their picks (Makar might have been Ottawa's?), but the point is the same: they stockpiled picks, and got lucky with the players available at some of those picks.

So I guess the main question is: to commit to a tear down/rebuild of the same model, who do you move on from wth the Flyers? I mean the negative tone around most of these parts insinuates they suck pretty hard as is, so how do you suck harder to commit to that strategy of a long rebuild?

Or is it more you cross your fingers and hope to get lucky with high picks not named JVR and Nolan Patrick?
- epa80

Unless you hit on the high picks, nothing else matters. Look at Edmonton before McDavid. Players like Ovechkin, Crosby, MacKinnon, etc changed the futures of their teams. What would you be willing to do to draft players like that? I hear alot of talk about how the players need to sacrifice but nothing about how the team needs to sacrifice.

Everyone wants a guarantee but there are none. You should still try to give your team the best chance, even though it might not work out, no?

What did Wayne Gretzky used to say : "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"? Well the Flyers aren't taking any shots and want everyone to believe they've scored a goal.

Torts is a money machine for them lol.

And also the release of that shirt coinciding with a total team meltdown is hilarious.



- Tomahawk

They need to add the graphic of the balls hitting their chin on that tee.

My math may be off here, but going back to our friends in Colorado, they signed a 27 year old d-man to a 7 year deal in 2015-2016 while the team was in the midst of one of those rebuilds. They finished I believe dead last in the NHL the following season.

I guess the thing is, it isn't unheard of for rebuilding teams to do signings like that.

d-man BTW was Erik Johnson
- epa80

Not unheard of …but when he’s a UFA and you are supposedly trying to add further draft capital it’s just another wasted bullet. I like Seeler, I just see it as a retool move, not a rebuild move.
Then again if it’s the $ ear marked for a Staal or Johnson type of off season signing I’m probably a bit better with it.