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BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Apr 18 @ 11:31 AM ET
Guentzel has been house shopping in the Triangle.
chimpira
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.18.2015

Apr 18 @ 11:49 AM ET
Guentzel has been house shopping in the Triangle.
- BINGO!


Who and Where?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Apr 18 @ 11:49 AM ET
You don’t realize that it’s a bigger F U to Jarry to start him last night. It’s Ned’s net, he just helped carry them through a heater to end the season. His numbers throughout the stretch mean (frank) all to anything. No hockey game is meaningless.
- Grinder47


3 things I realize...

Ned (as of now) is unemployed. If that game meant something, the team that puked up 5GA says otherwise.

Jarry (love him or hate him) is signed for 4 more years at a big number, so technically, it's his net unless that kid is ready in WB.

I "realize" you're a little too sensitive to continue with your Grinder persona.
MickV
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Cambridge, MA
Joined: 07.03.2023

Apr 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
Definitely think the coaches are pissed. That's what I said last night. It's a meaningless game and you don't give your 5 mil "starter" the nod after riding the backup like a rented mule? Something going on there.

Neds numbers have not been very good either, so the coaching staff should be looking at the whole picture. If Jarry is outwardly blaming his teammates, he's never going to regain their trust. You don't show up your teammates even if they suck.....which some of them do.

- madmike71


Also, have you seen any of Ned's postgame interviews? He's always really hard on himself for every goal let in, even when it's not his fault (including when they win). Definitely the type of guy you want in your net.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 18 @ 12:02 PM ET
Well, I guess misery loves company and we both missed. Sucks for both teams in different ways. You guys were expected to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year, so that hurts, and the Flyguys held a playoff spot for over 100 days and coughed it up. That really hurts. Congrats to Jeff Carter on his retirement! I caught the end of the game and thought it was cool that the Isles lined up to shake his hand at the end of the game. I guess many of you are glad to see him go, but he had a pretty damn good career.
- Phillywhiteout

We got Carter well after his best days and all but two of us are glad to see him go. But absolutely to what you said, he's had a great career. Glad he decided now and got to enjoy the last game with his family and Quick's family instead and soak it in instead of retiring some random day in June.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 18 @ 12:09 PM ET
From Yohe's article. Was going to post this when Madden was talking about it weeks ago.

• So, Alex Nedeljkovic received a 13th straight start in the regular season finale. Thirteen! Tristan Jarry is perfectly healthy and hasn’t gotten a start since March 22. That was the game in Dallas, the one where Jarry shot daggers at defensemen after a couple of goals allowed. If you don’t believe me, watch the tape.

You’d think, maybe, the Penguins would have given their “No. 1 goalie” at least one more start before the season concluded, especially given that they’ve gotten quite a look at Nedeljkovic during the past month.

But nah.

There’s no way Jarry isn’t in the doghouse.

- madmike71

This has been kind of back burner during the playoff push, but it's a huge issue going into the off-season. Jarry was one of their best players the first half of the year, but now he's completely lost their trust.

Ned is a UFA and didn't really look like a number 1 though he was great as a backup.

Blomquist had a great first year, but are they ready to turn to him now behind a shaky starter or have him start in the minors and see if he repeats before calling him up.

Seems obvious they should try and move Jarry, but easier said than done.

If you can't, have to get someone you can see taking over as starter unless you're so convinced Blomquist is the eventual answer that you don't want to block him behind two long term contracts.

I'll be very interested to see what Dubas does here.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 18 @ 12:19 PM ET
This has been kind of back burner during the playoff push, but it's a huge issue going into the off-season. Jarry was one of their best players the first half of the year, but now he's completely lost their trust.

Ned is a UFA and didn't really look like a number 1 though he was great as a backup.

Blomquist had a great first year, but are they ready to turn to him now behind a shaky starter or have him start in the minors and see if he repeats before calling him up.

Seems obvious they should try and move Jarry, but easier said than done.

If you can't, have to get someone you can see taking over as starter unless you're so convinced Blomquist is the eventual answer that you don't want to block him behind two long term contracts.

I'll be very interested to see what Dubas does here.

- Tojo.


Not a lot of great options to replace Jarry if they do move him unless it's via trading for a new goalie.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Apr 18 @ 12:57 PM ET
Not a lot of great options to replace Jarry if they do move him unless it's via trading for a new goalie.
- j.boyd919


Swaymen is a ufa this year
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 18 @ 1:16 PM ET
3 things I realize...

Ned (as of now) is unemployed. If that game meant something, the team that puked up 5GA says otherwise.

Jarry (love him or hate him) is signed for 4 more years at a big number, so technically, it's his net unless that kid is ready in WB.

I "realize" you're a little too sensitive to continue with your Grinder persona.

- madmike71

There’s no persona bud. People either love or hate me.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 18 @ 1:27 PM ET
Not a lot of great options to replace Jarry if they do move him unless it's via trading for a new goalie.
- j.boyd919

So basically same as last year.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 18 @ 1:54 PM ET
So basically same as last year.
- Tojo.

Well. There’s Ned and Blomqvist. Unless the coaching staff really sits down and scrutinize the numbers. Then, everything changes.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 18 @ 1:58 PM ET
Well. There’s Ned and Blomqvist. Unless the coaching staff really sits down and scrutinize the numbers. Then, everything changes.
- Grinder47

Ned’s been a mediocre backup quality goaltender his whole career. He had a really good season this year. This happens all the time with goalies. They suck, then have a great year out of nowhere and get paid, and then suck again. If we’re moving on from Jarry it shouldn’t be because of Ned’s one year of lightning in a bottle
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 18 @ 2:26 PM ET
Ned’s been a mediocre backup quality goaltender his whole career. He had a really good season this year. This happens all the time with goalies. They suck, then have a great year out of nowhere and get paid, and then suck again. If we’re moving on from Jarry it shouldn’t be because of Ned’s one year of lightning in a bottle
- Victoro311

Good possibility you’re right. Either way I think from a lockeroom and team perspective it would have been weirder to start Jarry last night. Also kind of a (frank) you to Jarry.
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Apr 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
I heard a few rumors about Jarry losing the room because of some of his comments in the locker room. I think the Ned starting much like Grinder said is a shot at him.

The two big statements that I heard were: That he said he wishes he was traded to another team. Which was the portion of the one statement I heard. I also heard he blamed a few teammates and coaches for his bad performance in the locker room and that was the final straw for the coaches.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Apr 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
I heard a few rumors about Jarry losing the room because of some of his comments in the locker room. I think the Ned starting much like Grinder said is a shot at him.

The two big ones I heard was that he said he wishes he was traded to another team was the portion of the one thing I heard he said. I also heard he blamed a few teammates and coaches for his bad performance in the locker room and that was the final straw for the coaches.

- 123Kid


Well he’s dead to me now. Trade him to Edmonton and sign swaymen. Job done.
MickV
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Cambridge, MA
Joined: 07.03.2023

Apr 18 @ 2:42 PM ET
Swayman's an RFA though right?
MickV
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Cambridge, MA
Joined: 07.03.2023

Apr 18 @ 3:05 PM ET
Ned’s been a mediocre backup quality goaltender his whole career. He had a really good season this year. This happens all the time with goalies. They suck, then have a great year out of nowhere and get paid, and then suck again. If we’re moving on from Jarry it shouldn’t be because of Ned’s one year of lightning in a bottle
- Victoro311


Ned had a great year on a very good CAR team 3 years ago, then wasn't very good on some bad DET teams for 2 years. This year, his stats are those of a below-average starter, which is probably a fair evaluation of him -- but he competes hard and if they can get him on a fair deal for what he is, I think they should resign him.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 18 @ 3:38 PM ET
Good possibility you’re right. Either way I think from a lockeroom and team perspective it would have been weirder to start Jarry last night. Also kind of a (frank) you to Jarry.
- Grinder47

Yeah I don't really care one way or another on that. Jarry was once again unreliable due to health reasons and now might be an issue in the locker room to boot. If FO thinks we need to move on from Jarry than I trust them. What I don't want is for them to think that Ned is the starter in waiting and give him a big-ish contract. If its another one year small contract and we want to roll into next season with him and Blomqvist and hope one of them is good then I'm ok with that gamble, but please do not give Ned a bag for a one year outlier.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 18 @ 3:44 PM ET
Ned had a great year on a very good CAR team 3 years ago, then wasn't very good on some bad DET teams for 2 years. This year, his stats are those of a below-average starter, which is probably a fair evaluation of him -- but he competes hard and if they can get him on a fair deal for what he is, I think they should resign him.
- MickV

Works for me if he doesn't get too much of a raise. If Blomquist plays similar next year, I suspect he'll be ready to push out the backup by the end of the year and hopefully start taking starts. That seems to be our best chance short term for an above average starter.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 18 @ 3:49 PM ET
Works for me if he doesn't get too much of a raise. If Blomquist plays similar next year, I suspect he'll be ready to push out the backup by the end of the year and hopefully start taking starts. That seems to be our best chance short term for an above average starter.
- Tojo.


Aside from wins/losses, what were his numbers like on the first half vs the second half? I feel like I saw that his second half numbers were not very good and the Pens were winning despite his goaltending. While those numbers don't have a timely saves/60 or anything like that, the Pens did win with him in net-- it really depends on what his next contract would be. Goaltending is so volatile it sucks spending so much unless you have a actual elite goalie and there's like 4 of them in the league.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 18 @ 4:06 PM ET
Aside from wins/losses, what were his numbers like on the first half vs the second half? I feel like I saw that his second half numbers were not very good and the Pens were winning despite his goaltending. While those numbers don't have a timely saves/60 or anything like that, the Pens did win with him in net-- it really depends on what his next contract would be. Goaltending is so volatile it sucks spending so much unless you have a actual elite goalie and there's like 4 of them in the league.
- j.boyd919

I think that's true. His numbers weren't near as good and for the year, he's a little below average.

But I also think they overplayed him and wore him down late in the stretch. So I don't want to penalize him too bad for the stats. I guess I feel he's as good as any backup so why not since like you were saying there isn't an obvious upgrade in UFA.
pens4life-66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: BC
Joined: 10.01.2013

Apr 18 @ 4:10 PM ET
Markstrom Blomqvist tandem
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Apr 18 @ 4:30 PM ET
I heard a few rumors about Jarry losing the room because of some of his comments in the locker room. I think the Ned starting much like Grinder said is a shot at him.

The two big statements that I heard were: That he said he wishes he was traded to another team. Which was the portion of the one statement I heard. I also heard he blamed a few teammates and coaches for his bad performance in the locker room and that was the final straw for the coaches.

- 123Kid


I just listened to Madden and Yohe as I was mowing my lawn. They talked about Jarry staring down a few teammates and blaming them for costing him a goal or two in the Dallas game. Neither mentioned he wanted out of Pittsburgh.

Another interesting tidbit was how the team had little to no interest in hockey when they were in Vegas. Apparently, they had to cancel a practice due to the party atmosphere of the team. Then one player was excused from another practice due to a hangover. We all remember the own goal against Arizona in the following game.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Apr 18 @ 4:37 PM ET
With Utah getting a team, think they’ll feel pressure to make some moves to make them “appealing” to fans.

I feel like it could be a destination Reilly Smith could be traded to if Utah decides they want to compete. Hell, maybe they’d even take Jarry
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 18 @ 5:17 PM ET
I just listened to Madden and Yohe as I was mowing my lawn. They talked about Jarry staring down a few teammates and blaming them for costing him a goal or two in the Dallas game. Neither mentioned he wanted out of Pittsburgh.

Another interesting tidbit was how the team had little to no interest in hockey when they were in Vegas. Apparently, they had to cancel a practice due to the party atmosphere of the team. Then one player was excused from another practice due to a hangover. We all remember the own goal against Arizona in the following game.

- Thunderbolt

That’s kinda odd. Not sure I’d peg any guys on this team as big partiers. We all knew Carter used to be but doubt he still is as a family man in his 60s
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