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fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 21 @ 10:05 AM ET
Wright was 4th pick overall and many had him #1 at the time. So a mid first rounder won't get the job done unless there are some other issues. Ron Francis can recognize talent, the kid is only 20, probably just letting him figure it out on the farm.

Pretty soon Seattle will look great down the middle with Beniers, Wright and Yanny Gourde.

- RickJ


Why would a team that has issues scoring in Seattle trade a young player that can score in Wright?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 21 @ 10:06 AM ET
Only one of those teams lost on purpose (penguins). The others were bad for various other reasons.

Why don't we think Nazar, Korch and Bedard are the three?

- fattybeef


Because they haven’t proven anything or won a cup like the others?
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 21 @ 10:06 AM ET
I don't really follow kids coming up the amateur ranks so have a question for you: is there one (or more) legitimate #1 defenceman (of Norris Trophy caliber) in this draft that can anchor the team's blueline for 10 -12 seasons?

If so, why take an Eiserman instead when you can just throw a bunch of money at a player like Guentzel or take Jeff Skinner's contract off of Buffalo and get something good too as the sweetener for doing so.

- RickJ


Theyre all maybes man.

Parekh looks like he could be very very good.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 21 @ 10:11 AM ET
Theyre all maybes man.

Parekh looks like he could be very very good.

- fattybeef

A large % of draftees are maybes and then there are the lead pipe cinches.

Wiz's response summarized his thoughts well.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 10:13 AM ET
What exactly does that mean?

Sounds to me like he’s ready and willing to do the thing that some have been arguing for over the last few months. Sign some higher end players to shorter term contracts so that the team can be more competitive…

- Chunk


I've always been for signing NHL players, not signing a Reinhart or equivalent to an 8 year crazy deal.

I'm not for trading for NHL talent using my first round picks, although he says he wants to get another top 6 player to play with Bedard, so older vet, slight over pay, shorter term contract. It'll be an interesting off season.

Besides he's saying incrementally getting better mentioned something of at least 30 wins next season.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 21 @ 10:14 AM ET
Why would a team that has issues scoring in Seattle trade a young player that can score in Wright?
- fattybeef

Nobody said Seattle will be trading Wright.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 10:19 AM ET
Nobody said Seattle will be trading Wright.
- RickJ


Yea i think those trades mostly happen if a team is trying to win a cup, or the player himself does not want to play for the org that drafted him like Cutter with Philly.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 21 @ 10:27 AM ET
Yea i think those trades mostly happen if a team is trying to win a cup, or the player himself does not want to play for the org that drafted him like Cutter with Philly.
- BetweenTheDots

And why trade a promising young player when you have him under control thru the years of his ELC and RFA contracts.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 21 @ 10:55 AM ET
A large % of draftees are maybes and then there are the lead pipe cinches.

Wiz's response summarized his thoughts well.

- RickJ


Indeed, but some drafts have more others less. From what I’ve read and understand, Celebrini is pretty much the only one who currently fits that description. Does lead pip clinch mean they can play in the NHL or that they will excel in it?
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:10 AM ET
Nobody said Seattle will be trading Wright.
- RickJ


Wright joins the long list of young players that some wish the other teams would trade away to Chicago - Zegras, Turcotte, Holloway, Boldy, Cooley, Pinto, Holtz, Mercer, Kent Johnson, et al.

Most of them would require a decent return, likely a hockey trade - prospect for prospect similar to the Gauthier Drysdale trade. The problem is not many here would offer up Vlasic or KK to get one of them.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 21 @ 11:18 AM ET
Wright joins the long list of young players that some wish the other teams would trade away to Chicago - Zegras, Turcotte, Holloway, Boldy, Cooley, Pinto, Holtz, Mercer, Kent Johnson, et al.

Most of them would require a decent return, likely a hockey trade - prospect for prospect similar to the Gauthier Drysdale trade. The problem is not many here would offer up Vlasic or KK to get one of them.

- boilermaker100
kk for Cooley I would do draft levashov and another d man with Tampa's pick. This off-season will be interesting I do believe Davidson will try at get a established young player that is rfa and in free agency get more established players like debrusk stephenson and Tanev that I have mentioned before. Just using those players as examples.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
kk for Cooley I would do draft levashov and another d man with Tampa's pick. This off-season will be interesting I do believe Davidson will try at get a established young player that is rfa and in free agency get more established players like debrusk stephenson and Tanev that I have mentioned before. Just using those players as examples.
- Scott1977


Yes it will be an interesting off season based on Davidson's comments the other day. I think he'll focus on veteran players via trade or signings rather than getting younger players. Maybe KD and staff think they'll have enough quality forwards in Nazar, Moore, Ludwinski, Hayes, Greene, Lardis, Kantserov plus whoever he selects in this draft.

Drafting a D man early whether Levshunov, Parekh, D!ckinson, even if they are a couple of years away, would make one of KK, Allan, Kaiser, DelMastro, maybe Rinzel expendable sooner or later.
bjphawkfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Woodridge, IL
Joined: 07.02.2016

Apr 21 @ 11:37 AM ET
I doubt that KD knows how much turnover will occur on his roster. He has thought, ideas a d a design what players he probably will a e but so much is reliant upon free agency come July 1. .ad scramble to sre-sugn some of your own guys while trying to e rice a free agent before he is swayed back into the fold with his original team

Just to give an exa.ple: reading on Res Wings beat how Bertuzzi would be a reasonable player to ri g in. Uncertain if they can uy out or loose a couple if contra rs, but Tironto will ha e bug cap issues a d the Red Wungs could use ertuzzi style. Plus maybe Kane nit coming back?

Speaking of Kane, perhaps his wife influences where he plays next.

And actually Chucago could really appreciate what a Bertuzzi brings in terms of his style. Big Suze guy around net and he can score some too

- jhawk59

We need Wiz to interpret this
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Apr 21 @ 11:45 AM ET
Wright joins the long list of young players that some wish the other teams would trade away to Chicago - Zegras, Turcotte, Holloway, Boldy, Cooley, Pinto, Holtz, Mercer, Kent Johnson, et al.

Most of them would require a decent return, likely a hockey trade - prospect for prospect similar to the Gauthier Drysdale trade. The problem is not many here would offer up Vlasic or KK to get one of them.

- boilermaker100

I would part with kk
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Apr 21 @ 12:08 PM ET
Wright was 4th pick overall and many had him #1 at the time. So a mid first rounder won't get the job done unless there are some other issues. Ron Francis can recognize talent, the kid is only 20, probably just letting him figure it out on the farm.

Pretty soon Seattle will look great down the middle with Beniers, Wright and Yanny Gourde.

- RickJ

Yeah, will need to add more for Wright, I just meant that the Tampa pick should be in play as part of the package.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:48 PM ET
Yeah, will need to add more for Wright, I just meant that the Tampa pick should be in play as part of the package.
- Angotti

If any trade were presented to KD that he thinks will improve the team within his parameters he will make it. With the exception of Bedard any player, prospect or draft pick could be traded in the right deal. I don’t see any other untouchable. In the unlikely event Wright were available I’m sure KFC would explore all avenues to make a deal if it benefits the Blackhawks.
stevefrmglencoe
Joined: 05.21.2013

Apr 21 @ 1:04 PM ET
Very tough listening to the exit comments from Saturday. The coach admitting his practices were too soft. Foligno calling out teammates, coaches and staff. Jones saying guys were playing for themselves instead of the team. Hoping for some big changes this offseason instead of picking up Okposo for 2 years at $4 million so they "get more character."
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:45 PM ET
kk for Cooley I would do draft levashov and another d man with Tampa's pick. This off-season will be interesting I do believe Davidson will try at get a established young player that is rfa and in free agency get more established players like debrusk stephenson and Tanev that I have mentioned before. Just using those players as examples.
- Scott1977


Not me quality NHL defenseman do not grow on trees. We have an asset and people want to trade thinking they are trading up? Look at the list of forwards we were able to draft over the years, now look at the list of defenseman.NJ thought it would be easy peasy, trade and sign for a power forward and get rid of 2 solid in their own end defenseman because of cap issues and bring up 2 kids to replace them. Not so much.

Best available please, KD has said that is the position they are in.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 21 @ 1:50 PM ET
Not me quality NHL defenseman do not grow on trees. We have an asset and people want to trade thinking they are trading up? Look at the list of forwards we were able to draft over the years, now look at the list of defenseman.NJ thought it would be easy peasy, trade and sign for a power forward and get rid of 2 solid in their own end defenseman because of cap issues and bring up 2 kids to replace them. Not so much. Next season for kk will be very telling in what kk will be.

Best available please, KD has said that is the position they are in.

- BetweenTheDots

BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 21 @ 1:50 PM ET
Very tough listening to the exit comments from Saturday. The coach admitting his practices were too soft. Foligno calling out teammates, coaches and staff. Jones saying guys were playing for themselves instead of the team. Hoping for some big changes this offseason instead of picking up Okposo for 2 years at $4 million so they "get more character."
- stevefrmglencoe



I thought he said his practices were to long and thinks that's the reason for the slow starts in games.


paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 21 @ 1:51 PM ET
Very tough listening to the exit comments from Saturday. The coach admitting his practices were too soft. Foligno calling out teammates, coaches and staff. Jones saying guys were playing for themselves instead of the team. Hoping for some big changes this offseason instead of picking up Okposo for 2 years at $4 million so they "get more character."
- stevefrmglencoe

So the guy you detest taking all the blame for an un-winnable season while everyone else are pointing the blame at everyone else. I have no idea if Richardson will prove to be a great coach but an old school guy like me admires integrity.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 21 @ 1:53 PM ET
Not me quality NHL defenseman do not grow on trees. We have an asset and people want to trade thinking they are trading up? Look at the list of forwards we were able to draft over the years, now look at the list of defenseman.NJ thought it would be easy peasy, trade and sign for a power forward and get rid of 2 solid in their own end defenseman because of cap issues and bring up 2 kids to replace them. Not so much.

Best available please, KD has said that is the position they are in.

- BetweenTheDots


Poor goaltending and Hamilton missing over 60 games had more to do with Jersey’s missing the playoffs than Timo Meyers’s “poor” 28 goal season.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 21 @ 2:07 PM ET
I've always been for signing NHL players, not signing a Reinhart or equivalent to an 8 year crazy deal.

I'm not for trading for NHL talent using my first round picks, although he says he wants to get another top 6 player to play with Bedard, so older vet, slight over pay, shorter term contract. It'll be an interesting off season.

Besides he's saying incrementally getting better mentioned something of at least 30 wins next season.

- BetweenTheDots


Such a low bar. Incrementally better than the worst team in Hawks history since the league went to 70 games.

Interesting to see who besides T. Johnson was tired of hearing about building the next great Hawk team. I would assume KD would get rid and f those not on board with losing for futures.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 21 @ 2:50 PM ET
Such a low bar. Incrementally better than the worst team in Hawks history since the league went to 70 games.

Interesting to see who besides T. Johnson was tired of hearing about building the next great Hawk team. I would assume KD would get rid and f those not on board with losing for futures.

- LAHawk

All season Raddysh Johnson looked disinterested and their play showed it.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 21 @ 2:50 PM ET
Such a low bar. Incrementally better than the worst team in Hawks history since the league went to 70 games.

Interesting to see who besides T. Johnson was tired of hearing about building the next great Hawk team. I would assume KD would get rid and f those not on board with losing for futures.

- LAHawk


KD is realistic and right in line with what many of us have been saying.

"Davidson’s talking points didn’t reflect any departure from his long-established plan, but he made it clear he believes the tearing-down stage of the rebuild is complete. Now the gradual building-up stage can begin.

Next season will mark the first of the Davidson era with any established expectations for the team to meet. They won’t include contending for a playoff spot; Davidson admitted that’s not realistic yet. But a reasonable guess is that those expectations will include winning at least 30 games or so (they won 23 this season), although Davidson didn’t offer any specifics."

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