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BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 20 @ 12:14 PM ET
He could be playing harder at one end of the ice that helps his stats, to back check, board battle block a shot, maybe not do much.
- LAHawk


I don't see D!ckinson playing that way, or Mrazek, or Foligno or Murphy.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 20 @ 12:16 PM ET
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I thought ADB was traded for KK’s spot in the draft? I don’t think trading that pick had anything to do with the former GM’s thought on trading for Chykryn at the TDL.

- LAHawk


He was, and they couldn't sign Cat, hahaha that's such bad GMing
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 20 @ 12:18 PM ET
As a gm i wouldn’t do it. That top 5 pick has more value to me than someone who is a really solid NHL player who I'm going to have to pay good money for. I'd rather keep the draft pick and enjoy the ELC years of his development.

No matter how you try there is no accelerating this rebuild.

When you look back on it would Ottawa rather have Korchinski on his rookie deal or Chychrun? Last thing i want to do is help any other team than our own.

Let's be real here there's a good chance they draft in the top 5 next year and most likely top 10 the following year.

- BetweenTheDots

Never say never. Personally I think KD is going in the right direction but there are different ways of doing it too. If the right opportunity presented itself to accelerate the rebuild you can be certain Davidson will take advantage of it. If Wright is deemed better by KD than the choices in the draft he would be stupid not to take advantage of it. And if KD thinks Chychrun is better than Korchinski and has the opportunity to make that trade, you can be certain he will. While Davidson does have a plan he would be foolish to blindly follow it. If there’s an opportunity to make the Hawks better long term KD will adjust the plan.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 20 @ 12:32 PM ET
Foligno's complete interview from the other day when he discussed changes to the team.

https://www.nhl.com/black...fort-change-6351224604112
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 20 @ 12:44 PM ET
Never say never. Personally I think KD is going in the right direction but there are different ways of doing it too. If the right opportunity presented itself to accelerate the rebuild you can be certain Davidson will take advantage of it. If Wright is deemed better by KD than the choices in the draft he would be stupid not to take advantage of it. And if KD thinks Chychrun is better than Korchinski and has the opportunity to make that trade, you can be certain he will. While Davidson does have a plan he would be foolish to blindly follow it. If there’s an opportunity to make the Hawks better long term KD will adjust the plan.
- paulr


I don't disagree, but unlike the Senators gifting us the high draft pick, i just don't see many GMs doing us any favors. I don't think he's blindly following it but there are parameters to it and one is not too trade a potential game changing draft pick for a solid top 6 forward.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 20 @ 12:53 PM ET
KDs draft picks

Bedard, home run
Korchinski, lot of promise
Nazar, honestly looked better than i expected for 3 games he played.

If my scouting department says make the trade then i do, but the scouting department says there's too much potential to give up on even if we draft 4th, i keep the draft pick and take my chances.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 20 @ 1:09 PM ET
I don't disagree, but unlike the Senators gifting us the high draft pick, i just don't see many GMs doing us any favors. I don't think he's blindly following it but there are parameters to it and one is not too trade a potential game changing draft pick for a solid top 6 forward.
- BetweenTheDots


Hopefully the day will come when Davidson trades a first round draft pick to solidify the lineup. That means the team is in the mix as a contender. Nothing wrong with trading futures away, there will be a time it needs to happen. Ottawa wasn’t doing the Blackhawks a favour, the GM felt a top six player in ADB was worth a first round pick to get Ottawa to the next level.

If a player, like Shane Wright, were offered to Chicago say for their top first round pick, KFC and his staff would need to assess if they project Wright or a potential pick to be better in the future. If they feel Wright projects as that player, Chicago make the deal, if KD thinks the draft pick is better then they don’t have to make it. You don’t lose much in age and that age may allow him to be more productive more quickly.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 20 @ 1:10 PM ET
KDs draft picks

Bedard, home run
Korchinski, lot of promise
Nazar, honestly looked better than i expected for 3 games he played.

If my scouting department says make the trade then i do, but the scouting department says there's too much potential to give up on even if we draft 4th, i keep the draft pick and take my chances.

- BetweenTheDots

Exactly!
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 20 @ 1:49 PM ET
Hopefully the day will come when Davidson trades a first round draft pick to solidify the lineup. That means the team is in the mix as a contender. Nothing wrong with trading futures away, there will be a time it needs to happen. Ottawa wasn’t doing the Blackhawks a favour, the GM felt a top six player in ADB was worth a first round pick to get Ottawa to the next level.

If a player, like Shane Wright, were offered to Chicago say for their top first round pick, KFC and his staff would need to assess if they project Wright or a potential pick to be better in the future. If they feel Wright projects as that player, Chicago make the deal, if KD thinks the draft pick is better then they don’t have to make it. You don’t lose much in age and that age may allow him to be more productive more quickly.

- paulr
as for Wright all depends how Seattle sees him. Part if the future long term or falling out of favor in the organization. Tampa's 1st and 2nd rounder and d prospect something along those lines if he is available.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 20 @ 1:50 PM ET
I am simply trying to look at the correcting of this team vs a plan.

I am not trying to fast track, as much as trying to get some already playing well in the NHL guys here to elevate the play off the guys that will have to be here. (You can take taht to mean young mistake prone drafted prospects OR the lower end NHL vets the rosters is loaded with.

As a business, the ticket sales are up, so od they really care that the rebuilding is continuing, feeling little pressure to retool to foligno's liking?

I think so.

But face it pretty soon alll these draft picks are going to turn pro and I project more prospects in our AHL affiliate than Tampa Bay grew on their Syracuse Crunch roster.

We ALL have voiced learning from experienced NHLers, but within four years you may have a prospect heavy roster, right?

I am trying to balance the future w/o having a way at a future look of success or failure at the NHL level by all our kids.

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 20 @ 1:51 PM ET
KDs draft picks

Bedard, home run
Korchinski, lot of promise
Nazar, honestly looked better than i expected for 3 games he played.

If my scouting department says make the trade then i do, but the scouting department says there's too much potential to give up on even if we draft 4th, i keep the draft pick and take my chances.

- BetweenTheDots


and take Lindstrom/Eiserman/defenseman

and hope Tampa carps the bed and Micheal Hage is still there at #20, or if Vegas advances at least one round , #19....
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
Yea that's what i thought, and hoping to get traded to a playoff team at the dead line.
- BetweenTheDots


Well that and/or just playing for their next contract to get more $$$.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 20 @ 2:31 PM ET
I am simply trying to look at the correcting of this team vs a plan.

I am not trying to fast track, as much as trying to get some already playing well in the NHL guys here to elevate the play off the guys that will have to be here. (You can take taht to mean young mistake prone drafted prospects OR the lower end NHL vets the rosters is loaded with.

As a business, the ticket sales are up, so od they really care that the rebuilding is continuing, feeling little pressure to retool to foligno's liking?

I think so.

But face it pretty soon alll these draft picks are going to turn pro and I project more prospects in our AHL affiliate than Tampa Bay grew on their Syracuse Crunch roster.

We ALL have voiced learning from experienced NHLers, but within four years you may have a prospect heavy roster, right?

I am trying to balance the future w/o having a way at a future look of success or failure at the NHL level by all our kids.

- wiz1901

NHL draft history tells you that when the opportunity is there to pick early it is where SC champions are conceived:

Fleury/Malkin/Crosby/ Staal in consecutive years

Mackinnon/Rantanen/Makar

Stamkos/Hedman/ Kucherov

Potvin/Trottier/Bossy

Toews/Kane

So the Hawks can't make a mistake in this year's draft and need to find talent in the middle of the draft that might take a little longer to deliver.

There is a big difference between improving the on ice product and building a champion.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 20 @ 2:55 PM ET
and take Lindstrom/Eiserman/defenseman

and hope Tampa carps the bed and Micheal Hage is still there at #20, or if Vegas advances at least one round , #19....

- wiz1901

I don't really follow kids coming up the amateur ranks so have a question for you: is there one (or more) legitimate #1 defenceman (of Norris Trophy caliber) in this draft that can anchor the team's blueline for 10 -12 seasons?

If so, why take an Eiserman instead when you can just throw a bunch of money at a player like Guentzel or take Jeff Skinner's contract off of Buffalo and get something good too as the sweetener for doing so.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:29 PM ET
NHL draft history tells you that when the opportunity is there to pick early it is where SC champions are conceived:

Fleury/Malkin/Crosby/ Staal in consecutive years

Mackinnon/Rantanen/Makar

Stamkos/Hedman/ Kucherov

Potvin/Trottier/Bossy

Toews/Kane

So the Hawks can't make a mistake in this year's draft and need to find talent in the middle of the draft that might take a little longer to deliver.

There is a big difference between improving the on ice product and building a champion.

- RickJ


Very well said, especially the bolded.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Apr 20 @ 3:53 PM ET
If I’m the GM, there’s no way I trade a top five pick, as Rick stated, that’s where you draft the big boys, like Crosby and Toews. As far as the Tampa pick this year and Toronto’s next year, I would move one of those for a good young player like Wright, or maybe even Holloway.
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Apr 20 @ 4:32 PM ET
NHL draft history tells you that when the opportunity is there to pick early it is where SC champions are conceived:

Fleury/Malkin/Crosby/ Staal in consecutive years

Mackinnon/Rantanen/Makar

Stamkos/Hedman/ Kucherov

Potvin/Trottier/Bossy

Toews/Kane

So the Hawks can't make a mistake in this year's draft and need to find talent in the middle of the draft that might take a little longer to deliver.

There is a big difference between improving the on ice product and building a champion.

- RickJ

Well, you cant build a champion without improving the product on the ice.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 20 @ 4:46 PM ET
If I’m the GM, there’s no way I trade a top five pick, as Rick stated, that’s where you draft the big boys, like Crosby and Toews. As far as the Tampa pick this year and Toronto’s next year, I would move one of those for a good young player like Wright, or maybe even Holloway.
- Angotti

Wright was 4th pick overall and many had him #1 at the time. So a mid first rounder won't get the job done unless there are some other issues. Ron Francis can recognize talent, the kid is only 20, probably just letting him figure it out on the farm.

Pretty soon Seattle will look great down the middle with Beniers, Wright and Yanny Gourde.

scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Apr 20 @ 5:17 PM ET
Rockford Icehogs won their game tonight with Ludwinski in the lineup however Lardis has not been in a game yet - but two games remain in regular season

Dach had a goal and assist; he was named first star⁵

- jhawk59

We’re doing footnotes now? That’s really raising the bar!
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 20 @ 5:23 PM ET
I don't really follow kids coming up the amateur ranks so have a question for you: is there one (or more) legitimate #1 defenceman (of Norris Trophy caliber) in this draft that can anchor the team's blueline for 10 -12 seasons?

If so, why take an Eiserman instead when you can just throw a bunch of money at a player like Guentzel or take Jeff Skinner's contract off of Buffalo and get something good too as the sweetener for doing so.

- RickJ



Honestly, my humble opinion is I do not see a Hedman, although I see big men...

I don't see Makar, but I see smaller scoring rearquards.

Right now, I am not willing to pop corks after they take any one of them.

I like Richardensian because he could evolve into that ten year fixture type.
(But the offensive side would really have to emerge)

if some one has the balls to call Artyom Levshunov an RD version of Hedman, I can't go that far.
Anton Silayev is a freakish beast, never touch the North American surface and who knows if he can make the double adjustment of culture and big league play.

I just think there is plenty of upside in eisramn AND big left winger centre Lindstrom, so why full around...look for Bobby Orr in 2025 when we lose that lottery and the consolation prize is Logan Hensler and Charlie Trethewey are their at slot four and up....
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 20 @ 5:23 PM ET


Greg Boysen
@GregBoysen
Kyle Davidson says the standard needs to be raised. Finishing second-to-last the league can't happen again.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 20 @ 5:31 PM ET
Greg Boysen
@GregBoysen
Kyle Davidson says the standard needs to be raised. Finishing second-to-last the league can't happen again.

- LAHawk


@BenPopeCST
Kyle Davidson says he realizes now is the time the Blackhawks need to start ascending. They might not be playoff contenders next year, but he’s ready to begin building up. They can’t finish bottom-three in the league again.

This is basically what a lot of us were expecting, they won't be a contender to make the playoffs, but probably in that 75ish point range.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 20 @ 5:52 PM ET
Sounds like Hall should be good to go for next season. I didn't see this, but I guess he participated in the last morning skate of the season with the team.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 20 @ 6:36 PM ET
Greg Boysen
@GregBoysen
Kyle Davidson says the standard needs to be raised. Finishing second-to-last the league can't happen again.

- LAHawk

I figured KD realized the rebuild has to progress. Another season of trying to acquire a high draft pick had too many risks, including pissing off this hockey buzz page.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 20 @ 6:56 PM ET
I figured KD realized the rebuild has to progress. Another season of trying to acquire a high draft pick had too many risks, including pissing off this hockey buzz page.
- paulr


I know a guy, who's cousin's second best friend's fraternity brother says KFC is definitely aware of this place and realizes he's on thin ice here.
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