I even agree with this and I'm still pissed at Marner...and if everyone is being honest it's not even close to his fault. Great player/greater scapegoat for some reason.

I just made myself feel stupid for hating on him.

Marner is fuking fine. Throwing the gloves is fine. The Gods thing was dumb for him but now way out of context when really just a awkward kid slip.

Keefe and Boucher sucked. And even with all of that, the "Leafs" team did play a pretty damn good series of hockey.

Take it up another notch or two.
- underhill14

Marner IS fine in that he is what he is. The problem is, you can't have an 11.5 million dollar player, be routinely neutralized by 2 million dollar players once the playoffs start.
If Marner was being payed 6-7 million a year, it wouldn't even be worth discussion.

Canucks
Dominating the 3rd

Canucks
Dominating the 3rd
- mr.sir

Big comeback

Canucks
Dominating the 3rd
- mr.sir

Edmonton might be done mentally after that.

What a game.

This reveals your lack of actual hockey acumen, once again. Rielly is not, and never will be a capable PP quarterback. It's crystal (frank)ing clear to everyone but you. The Leafs are dying for a proper PP quarterback who is also a shot threat.
- fifty__missions

Stop trying to insult me with this schoolyard garbage. It doesn't make any of your points stronger, just makes you look petty and childish.

Rielly has had seasons where he scored 20 goals and 70 points when Babcock was coach. 58 points this year, 68 points 3 years ago. Not too many D who can consistently score 50-60-70 points. In fact, over the past 5 years, he has scored roughly as many points as Letang and Karlsson. He's 9th in D points over the past 5 years.

It's not that Rielly can't score goals, points and play on the PP. It's how the coaching staff has failed to use him properly that has held him back from unlocking his offensive potential. That coupled with the fact that he rarely has a capable RHD to play with who can cover for him defensively so that he can be a more attacking D at 5v5. Notice how he played fantastic vs Tampa Bay with Schenn beside him but the Leafs were too stupid to keep him.

It's true, he doesn't have a booming shot but there's very few players left in the NHL who truly do whom are available. Most offensive D create offense by skating well and creating space for guys around them which Rielly has always been good at.

If Rielly truly can't score goals and points, then you trade him. Because he doesn't do anything else that's worth 7 million AAV. But the reality is, if you get the right coach and some help on his pairing, you'll get more out of Rielly.

Florida could be tough to beat for any team facing them in the ECF

Dumbest poop I ever read (well, two sentences anyway) : https://www.thestar.com/s...ef-860a-f797b55ef3da.html

Nobody in Tampa wants Marner. They already have a better Marner who is cheaper. His name is Ducherov. And they certainly aren't giving up Sergachev for him.

I want some of the crystal meth that writer was freebasing.

Stop trying to insult me with this schoolyard garbage. It doesn't make any of your points stronger, just makes you look petty and childish.

Rielly has had seasons where he scored 20 goals and 70 points when Babcock was coach. 58 points this year, 68 points 3 years ago. Not too many D who can consistently score 50-60-70 points. In fact, over the past 5 years, he has scored roughly as many points as Letang and Karlsson. He's 9th in D points over the past 5 years.

It's not that Rielly can't score goals, points and play on the PP. It's how the coaching staff has failed to use him properly that has held him back from unlocking his offensive potential. That coupled with the fact that he rarely has a capable RHD to play with who can cover for him defensively so that he can be a more attacking D at 5v5. Notice how he played fantastic vs Tampa Bay with Schenn beside him but the Leafs were too stupid to keep him.

It's true, he doesn't have a booming shot but there's very few players left in the NHL who truly do whom are available. Most offensive D create offense by skating well and creating space for guys around them which Rielly has always been good at.

If Rielly truly can't score goals and points, then you trade him. Because he doesn't do anything else that's worth 7 million AAV. But the reality is, if you get the right coach and some help on his pairing, you'll get more out of Rielly.
- Rare_Jewel

Yeah, I agree. Rielly's not the problem on our PP at all.

For starters, I think he was playing hurt. And yes, the Leafs started beating themselves the minute they stepped on the ice for game 1 of the playoffs, when they think they're some defensive juggernaut and try playing like one, when they should be playing like the offensive juggernaut that they are in the regular season, where they've come out ahead time and again.

Now, should these team try to change their identity with personnel changes that would be more suited to a defensive capable team? Yes, I think it's time. 8 years is long enough.

Teoscar hernandez, already has 10 hrs.
Great job atkins.
- Fakepartofme

they could have sign him again this off season, but It would be him or Justin Turner.
and lets be honest. if you put Teo in this lineup he has 3hr.

You know the Leafs media and knowledgeable active fanbase. Lots of speculation last fall when Willie could sign but hadn’t yet! Imagine this fall and Marner hasn’t signed! The year goes on and nothing done. Fans are going to know that he isn’t doing a sign and trade and I believe they will turn on him even more so, than now. It would be quite a spectacle! For this reason I think it’s in Everybodies best interest to figure out how to move on! Nothing against Marner it’s just that someone has to go, this recipe is painfully and obviously a failure.
- Bullot

Nah.
If marner pulls a willie and says he isnt talking about his contract all season, then has the best season of his career....no one cares or says anything.

I even agree with this and I'm still pissed at Marner...and if everyone is being honest it's not even close to his fault. Great player/greater scapegoat for some reason.

I just made myself feel stupid for hating on him.

Marner is fuking fine. Throwing the gloves is fine. The Gods thing was dumb for him but now way out of context when really just a awkward kid slip.

Keefe and Boucher sucked. And even with all of that, the "Leafs" team did play a pretty damn good series of hockey.

Take it up another notch or two.
- underhill14

Get a new coaching staff, some better D and see how it goes.
Just dont pay marner anything over 11.5m or let him walk.
Hopefully a sign and trade
Either way, this bullpoop of the leafs are willing to lose a Marner trade is nonsense. Wtf would they do that.

Yeah, I agree. Rielly's not the problem on our PP at all.

For starters, I think he was playing hurt. And yes, the Leafs started beating themselves the minute they stepped on the ice for game 1 of the playoffs, when they think they're some defensive juggernaut and try playing like one, when they should be playing like the offensive juggernaut that they are in the regular season, where they've come out ahead time and again.

Now, should these team try to change their identity with personnel changes that would be more suited to a defensive capable team? Yes, I think it's time. 8 years is long enough.
- gravyface

No reports say he was injured......that ive seen.
But i haven't been searching the net for them, so there easily could be.

dmnted]fak Bongcouver

there you go.


But think of the insufferable Oilers fans. Plus they have won plenty Cups.

Im thinking Leafs Nation should get on the Canucks bandwagon. Just for this year.
- Snot Dillingham

it's the lesser of the two evil.

curious how this Friday stuff goes
total house clearance?

Just Keefe (and all coaching) the sacrificial lamb?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/four-mitch-marner-trades-the-maple-leafs-could-consider/?

1) K Johnson and 4th OA ✔️
2) Wright and Larsson ✔️
3) Calgary blockbuster = Hard pass
4) Laughton Ferraro 2nd ✔️
- mr.sir

I like option 1 please.

curious how this Friday stuff goes
total house clearance?

Just Keefe (and all coaching) the sacrificial lamb?
- senstroll

Shanahan doesn’t seem to be going since he’s going to be there. They’ll be noncommittal on players. Keefe is either fired then or today if they have a new coach to announce/introduce tomorrow.

Is Edmonton's goaltending turning back into a pumpkin?

Speaking of taxes, did JT try to do his own taxes? Maybe using TurboTax or something?
- Woderwick

UFile.ca on-line tax program

it's the lesser of the two evil.
- dmnted

I`m torn between rooting for Hyman. (What a GD joke we didnt re sign him)

And wanting to see Van get their first cup. Van fans are abit classier in my experience.

Gutsy comeback last night. If they can get Barry Pederson going as well, look out.

Stop trying to insult me with this schoolyard garbage. It doesn't make any of your points stronger, just makes you look petty and childish.

Rielly has had seasons where he scored 20 goals and 70 points when Babcock was coach. 58 points this year, 68 points 3 years ago. Not too many D who can consistently score 50-60-70 points. In fact, over the past 5 years, he has scored roughly as many points as Letang and Karlsson. He's 9th in D points over the past 5 years.

It's not that Rielly can't score goals, points and play on the PP. It's how the coaching staff has failed to use him properly that has held him back from unlocking his offensive potential. That coupled with the fact that he rarely has a capable RHD to play with who can cover for him defensively so that he can be a more attacking D at 5v5. Notice how he played fantastic vs Tampa Bay with Schenn beside him but the Leafs were too stupid to keep him.

It's true, he doesn't have a booming shot but there's very few players left in the NHL who truly do whom are available. Most offensive D create offense by skating well and creating space for guys around them which Rielly has always been good at.

If Rielly truly can't score goals and points, then you trade him. Because he doesn't do anything else that's worth 7 million AAV. But the reality is, if you get the right coach and some help on his pairing, you'll get more out of Rielly.
- Rare_Jewel

No (frank)ing way.

8 playoff powerplay disasters with multiple coaches is enough proof of concept: Rielly CANNOT quarterback this powerplay.

He has no guile whatsoever, telegraphs every pass, is utterly predictable on top, and is a ZERO shot threat. These are not things that you can coach into a player or blame Sheldon Keefe for. It's who he is.

Even this playoff, I would have had Jake McCabe on top of our PP. It literally couldn't get any worse.

And yes, you are showing your lack of understanding of the game here.

No (frank)ing way.

8 playoff powerplay disasters with multiple coaches is enough proof of concept: Rielly CANNOT quarterback this powerplay.

He has no guile, telegraphs every pass, is utterly predictable on top, and is a ZERO shot threat. These are not things that you can coach into a player. It's what he is.

Even this playoff, I would have had Jake McCabe on top of our PP. It literally couldn't get any worse.

And yes, you are showing your lack of understanding of the game here.
- fifty__missions

he had 17 shots in the playoffs. 5 behind the Captain

he had 17 shots in the playoffs. 5 behind the Captain
- drexel

You're telling me Morgan Rielly's shot is a weapon on our powerplay?

Gtfo with this nonsense.

Do you think a coach like Brind'Amour would be able to get through to the Maple Leafs to get them all on the same page (as currently constructed)?

I always wonder if a team with so many high end players would be effective under a coach that teaches a more "system-first" program.

curious how this Friday stuff goes
total house clearance?

Just Keefe (and all coaching) the sacrificial lamb?
- senstroll

or they run it back , again

Shanahan doesn’t seem to be going since he’s going to be there. They’ll be noncommittal on players. Keefe is either fired then or today if they have a new coach to announce/introduce tomorrow.
- Canada Cup

i would be surprised if they had a new coach already