Berube worries me. Caught lightning in a bottle one season. Rest is meh and players didnt seem too upset when he was canned. and the leafs dont have any remotely like ROR or Pietrangelo - drexel
I understand your thoughts but Brunette isn't available since he's in Florida so gotta go with what's out there.
What lie? Quenville told management they shouldn’t do anything about the sexual abuse because it would hurt team chemistry during the playoffs. He lied and said he wasn’t at the meeting where this was decided but all the other participants acknowledged that he was there. As a result Aldrich was allowed to stay around the team and Beach for weeks after they learned about what had happened . Pretty much everyone else in that meeting except Cheveldayoff is out of the game. - Canada Cup
That is all alleged, not proven. Because these events and timelines are disputed and there are multiple sides of this story.
Again, "learned what happened" is in actuality an allegation a week before the Stanley Cup Final. And at no time was Quenneville the most senior or most powerful person in those "meetings". That was upper management's responsibility from that point and moving forward. It wasn't Quenneville's responsibility to decide what was supposed to happen, it was on the GM and above him, the President. They had the deciding power, not Quenneville especially because they knew more than he did and spent more time on the matter than he did.
Even if what you are saying is 100% true and accurate (it isn't), it still isn't worthy of a lifetime ban and denial of a 2nd chance to coach again. He quit his job, he's been away from the NHL for a long period of time and now he should be allowed to return under the condition he takes precautions to never make the same mistake again. If anybody is absolutely not going to make that same mistake twice, it's going to be Quenneville, especially in this market where he'll be forced to take every re-education sensitivity training known to the Western world.
I’m a firm believer in second chances but there’s no way a team has to hire a head coach if they have serious reservations about his character.
You say that but you don't seem to want to practice it. He's by far the best qualified coach available and while he may have made a mistake in the past, there shouldn't be very much concern about his character if he's going through a rigorous process to not make the same mistake again.
Problem with the PP, is they didn't have a guy with a good enough point shot to open up the down low play. - aries1976
This is true but even if they had that, they didn't have Nylander for 3 games and Matthews was basically either not there or useless for 2.5/3 games himself. That's basically 30% of the Leafs offense missing for 40% of the series.
When a PP plays the exact same way for the entire year and then you remove two pieces like that with next to no replacement (who the (frank) can replace Matthews and Nylander on the Leafs bottom six?), it's going to be hard to score.
That being said, when you're dealt those cards, your coach has to find a way to turn that into a winning hand. If that means spending every single practice re-designing the PP, then so be it. But those adjustments never happened under Keefe. And the results speak for themselves.
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May 9 @ 11:59 PM ET
That is all alleged, not proven. Because these events and timelines are disputed and there are multiple sides of this story.
Again, "learned what happened" is in actuality an allegation a week before the Stanley Cup Final. And at no time was Quenneville the most senior or most powerful person in those "meetings". That was upper management's responsibility from that point and moving forward. It wasn't Quenneville's responsibility to decide what was supposed to happen, it was on the GM and above him, the President. They had the deciding power, not Quenneville.
Even if what you are saying is 100% true and accurate (it isn't), it still isn't worthy of a lifetime ban and denial of a 2nd chance to coach again. He quit his job, he's been away from the NHL for a long period of time and now he should be allowed to return under the condition he takes precautions to never make the same mistake again. If anybody is absolutely not going to make that same mistake twice, it's going to be Quenneville, especially in this market where he'll be forced to take every re-education sensitivity training known to the Western world.
You say that but you don't seem to want to practice it. He's by far the best qualified coach available and while he may have made a mistake in the past, there shouldn't be very much concern about his character if he's going through a rigorous process to not make the same mistake again. - Rare_Jewel
He would be cleared by now if he was innocent,
This manic team is just the wrong market for him, when things go sour.
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May 10 @ 12:03 AM ET
This is true but even if they had that, they didn't have Nylander for 3 games and Matthews was basically either not there or useless for 2.5/3 games himself. That's basically 30% of the Leafs offense missing for 40% of the series.
When a PP plays the exact same way for the entire year and then you remove two pieces like that with next to no replacement (who the (frank) can replace Matthews and Nylander on the Leafs bottom six?), it's going to be hard to score.
That being said, when you're dealt those cards, your coach has to find a way to turn that into a winning hand. If that means spending every single practice re-designing the PP, then so be it. But those adjustments never happened under Keefe. And the results speak for themselves. - Rare_Jewel
Agreed, losing 88 and 34 for chunks of the series really hurt.... 91 can't run an offense anymore, and 16 just didn't show any heart in the series... and they ran into a very hot goalie... tough break.
Getting into the zone was just an issue.... leafs were better 5 on 5.
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May 10 @ 12:07 AM ET
Thank you, very much appreciated, cheers back to you
Bruce - Dozzer
Hey Bruce.
Just remind yourself to act like the Indians coach from major league.... put the ear buds in and listen to game, and cheer hard when someone scores, while your watching coronation Street on CBC.
Agreed, losing 88 and 34 for chunks of the series really hurt.... 91 can't run an offense anymore, and 16 just didn't show any heart in the series... and they ran into a very hot goalie... tough break.
Getting into the zone was just an issue.... leafs were better 5 on 5. - aries1976
Tavares really should have been the "shooter" on the Leafs PP because that's what he's always been paid to do. Put Knies in front of the net or Bertuzzi, either one would have worked there.
Marner was setting guys up all the time. Problem was, it was usually a slug like Edmundson, who couldn't do poop with the puck. He wasn't at his best but when you're a playmaker, not playing with the "finishers", they're both going to suffer.
It's no coincidence that Matthews and Marner barely played together and they both didn't produce offense. Matthews had 1 goal in the entire series (same as Marner) but in game 7, when they needed him to score the most, Marner was still out there with Domi and Bertuzzi more often than Matthews. The lines were just bad and never adjusted properly. And both players suffered from not playing with each other consistently enough.
Reality is the President oversees hockey operations. Shanny has a year more on contract so he isnt going anywhere. This coach change is the big first domino to fall, as it should. Now its on Tre to remake this team with the roster.
Far as Keefe goes he was an excellent AHL coach and a good coach at NHL level. Not great, but good. Given the talent it was clear it could put up wins but he couldnt take them any farther. Last few seasons you could see players blowing him off. Writing was on the wall, especially once Dubas was gone.
This point its now wait and see but if it IS Berube, Id expect a whole new bench.
Bring on the end of the playoffs and roster overhaul.
