Jeremy Laura: Wings overtime point small consolation as Pens win in OT

They got a point tonight. I wasn't even expecting that.

They got a point tonight. I wasn't even expecting that.
- Bigfrog

Does the traffic jam throw you off at all? 3 teams with 85 points, one with 86 and 3 games to go for all but Philly. What a crazy end to the season

Final 3??? There are only 2 spots left!
The percentages and odds are not in the Wings favor. Win 3 and then get some help.

6 GAA isn't gonna get it done.

Yesyerday, I mentioned Berggren not being called up. Folks pointed out the fact that he's a einger & defensive liability. Good catch & I stand corrected (as usual 😁).

This team is in dire need of a defensive shake-up. Mo Sides carries the mail every night, Ghost scores & assists lile a rangy F, Eddy looks lile he could be the real deal. Outside of those 2, we're weak. Defensive scheme team-wide is grossly lacking. Say what you will about Copp (I think he's overpaid & an offensive black hole....), he did defend. We need a revamp here.

Raymond's showing what he is capable of. I'm thinking he's just priced himself into a couple of higher tax brackets. As I watch him play, it seems lile there's more & more grit to his game as well. The Cat's been WAY too streaky this season. Ole Quasimodo there needs to re-boresight his scope ("MRS update for any readers who served as a Tank Crewman on the M1 Abrams tank...). He does get in a poke-check every now n then. I want Kane to stay. His impact on this team has been commendable. Slow n steady, calm, 3 mives ahead of most defenders. Hiwever, we have too many guys who need to hone thier defensive skill....a coaching issue.

Glad to get the point. These kids are playing play-off hockey right now (playing in games similar to SCPO games, not that they're playing well..). Contending teams have ramped it up. He just don't have the defensive juice to hang with these surging teams. But, the trajectory this team is on looks good. We know what areas need attention, for sure.

The off-season's gonna be interesting. Need to dump some contracts/players who aren't hitting expectations. Help's on the way. We've been hangin' in the race longer this year than last.... Good things are coming......

Does the traffic jam throw you off at all? 3 teams with 85 points, one with 86 and 3 games to go for all but Philly. What a crazy end to the season
- Jeremy Laura

I'm surprised at how crowded the field is for the WC slots, for sure. Shows that despite the expected mediocrity of some teams, there's some gas in some tanks. I think it's great to be watching this go down to the final few games. This is what hockey should be!! If nothing else, I think this final stretch has shown areas that are desperate need of attention for the team....Not sure anyone called the fight for the finish to go down the way it has....

Good stuff!!!

DeBrincat MIA again. Has less goals then he did last year in Ottawa.

DeBrincat MIA again. Has less goals then he did last year in Ottawa.
- wingz4life

He had 3 assists!!!!!!!!!

DeBrincat MIA again. Has less goals then he did last year in Ottawa.
- wingz4life

This is what happens when a 1-dimensional goal scorer doesn't have a center to play with. Now imagine instead of taking Rasmussen 9th overall you prioritize skill and have someone like Nick Suzuki who went a few picks later. DeBrincat would have 40 playing with someone like that. Imagine if we didn't whiff on every single 2nd and 3rd round pick and instead found a talent like an Aho, Kyrou, Hintz. Our drafting and development is awful, and I don't see much evidence it's improved with Yzerman. Saying we picked Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson isn't evidence of success. When picking in the 4-6 range this is typically what you would expect.

This is what happens when a 1-dimensional goal scorer doesn't have a center to play with. Now imagine instead of taking Rasmussen 9th overall you prioritize skill and have someone like Nick Suzuki who went a few picks later. DeBrincat would have 40 playing with someone like that. Imagine if we didn't whiff on every single 2nd and 3rd round pick and instead found a talent like an Aho, Kyrou, Hintz. Our drafting and development is awful, and I don't see much evidence it's improved with Yzerman. Saying we picked Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson isn't evidence of success. When picking in the 4-6 range this is typically what you would expect.
- HockeyBuzzed

Then why is their pipeline rated 2nd best?

This is what happens when a 1-dimensional goal scorer doesn't have a center to play with. Now imagine instead of taking Rasmussen 9th overall you prioritize skill and have someone like Nick Suzuki who went a few picks later. DeBrincat would have 40 playing with someone like that. Imagine if we didn't whiff on every single 2nd and 3rd round pick and instead found a talent like an Aho, Kyrou, Hintz. Our drafting and development is awful, and I don't see much evidence it's improved with Yzerman. Saying we picked Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson isn't evidence of success. When picking in the 4-6 range this is typically what you would expect.
- HockeyBuzzed

Yes.. there's been some misses in the draft under Yzerman (just like every GM). In a perfect world we'd hit on all our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Let's wait and see how the top prospects in GR iron out before we label everything a complete bust. I've been to a lot of Griffins games this season. GR is well stocked with some very good young players... none of us can predict how they will pan out until they are in Detroit. What I do see is players like Danielson, Kasper, Mazur, Johansson, Sandin-Pellika, Cossa, all are on track and developing as we would hope. Danielson and Kasper are both centers... hopefully they will help fill the void the Wings have at that position. I do think Danielson will be a special player for Detroit (just my gut feeling).

Then why is their pipeline rated 2nd best?

- HenryHockey

Says who? An ESPN poll. Newsflash. Not long ago our pipeline was also considered among the best...we had Larkin and Mantha on the roster, Svechnikov on the way, Turgeon was a smart bottom 6 forward, Rasmussen has the size, and on defense we had talented puck movers like Cholowski, Hronek with Keith Petruzzelli was a Hobey Baker Finalist.

I arrive at my own conclusions instead of drinking others kool-aid. Yzerman did well acquiring picks, but outside of round 1, we continue to whiff on almost everything.

Says who? An ESPN poll. Newsflash. Not long ago our pipeline was also considered among the best...we had Larkin and Mantha on the roster, Svechnikov on the way, Turgeon was a smart bottom 6 forward, Rasmussen has the size, and on defense we had talented puck movers like Cholowski, Hronek with Keith Petruzzelli was a Hobey Baker Finalist.

I arrive at my own conclusions instead of drinking others kool-aid. Yzerman did well acquiring picks, but outside of round 1, we continue to whiff on almost everything.
- HockeyBuzzed

See my last post... maybe you should be looking at our current talent in GR and the other picks they have. This is probably the best amount of talent they've had in Detroit's pipeline in over a decade. We'll see how they pan out... the sky isn't falling.

See my last post... maybe you should be looking at our current talent in GR and the other picks they have. This is probably the best amount of talent they've had in Detroit's pipeline in over a decade. We'll see how they pan out... the sky isn't falling.
- Vladdie_Kon1

Yes I'm pretty knowledgeable about our current level of talent. Is it better than the recent past? Yeah, probably. Does anyone have a very high ceiling (aka - first line talent, top pair dman) - that's subject to debate. Danielson and Kasper may be nothing more than middle 6 depth. Maybe a 2C. I don't see top line talent there. Is Mazur the next Berggren? Could be. Johansson is already 23 and seems to be nothing more than a 7th d-man. Dime a dozen. Cossa has been better this year, but when you move up to 15th overall I'm disappointed overall in his development. For ESPN to say we have one of the best prospect pool in the league is laughable.

Yes.. there's been some misses in the draft under Yzerman (just like every GM). In a perfect world we'd hit on all our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Let's wait and see how the top prospects in GR iron out before we label everything a complete bust. I've been to a lot of Griffins games this season. GR is well stocked with some very good young players... none of us can predict how they will pan out until they are in Detroit. What I do see is players like Danielson, Kasper, Mazur, Johansson, Sandin-Pellika, Cossa, all are on track and developing as we would hope. Danielson and Kasper are both centers... hopefully they will help fill the void the Wings have at that position. I do think Danielson will be a special player for Detroit (just my gut feeling).
- Vladdie_Kon1

I do like what I’ve gotten to see of Danielson, Axel S.P. Too

I'm surprised at how crowded the field is for the WC slots, for sure. Shows that despite the expected mediocrity of some teams, there's some gas in some tanks. I think it's great to be watching this go down to the final few games. This is what hockey should be!! If nothing else, I think this final stretch has shown areas that are desperate need of attention for the team....Not sure anyone called the fight for the finish to go down the way it has....

Good stuff!!!
- mcmastermike1968

It’s right down to the wire. Unreal

Says who? An ESPN poll. Newsflash. Not long ago our pipeline was also considered among the best...we had Larkin and Mantha on the roster, Svechnikov on the way, Turgeon was a smart bottom 6 forward, Rasmussen has the size, and on defense we had talented puck movers like Cholowski, Hronek with Keith Petruzzelli was a Hobey Baker Finalist.

I arrive at my own conclusions instead of drinking others kool-aid. Yzerman did well acquiring picks, but outside of round 1, we continue to whiff on almost everything.
- HockeyBuzzed

It was not ESPN, their are better sources. I believe it was from the Athletic.

EDIT: https://theathletic.com/5...spect-pool-rankings-2024/

There you go!

It was not ESPN, their are better sources. I believe it was from the Athletic.

EDIT: https://theathletic.com/5...spect-pool-rankings-2024/

There you go!
- HenryHockey

Missing the point. I could care less who the source is. Some journalist thinks our picks are incredible based on some random criteria. I mean even this write up acknowledges we don't have an elite forward and he seems to value quantity and depth over quality.

I have other criteria. So he thinks having numerous middle 6 forwards sets us apart from others. I feel those roles are very easy to fill via trade and free agency - see Fabbri, Copp, Compher, Perron, etc...Finding a 1C is nearly impossible and we have none.

But hey, if it makes you feel better to be 2nd on some random list then that's just fine. Hopefully this cohort turns out better than Svech, Zadina, Cholowski, Sarijarvi, Petruzzeli, etc...

Missing the point. I could care less who the source is. Some journalist thinks our picks are incredible based on some random criteria. I mean even this write up acknowledges we don't have an elite forward and he seems to value quantity and depth over quality.

I have other criteria. So he thinks having numerous middle 6 forwards sets us apart from others. I feel those roles are very easy to fill via trade and free agency - see Fabbri, Copp, Compher, Perron, etc...Finding a 1C is nearly impossible and we have none.

But hey, if it makes you feel better to be 2nd on some random list then that's just fine. Hopefully this cohort turns out better than Svech, Zadina, Cholowski, Sarijarvi, Petruzzeli, etc...
- HockeyBuzzed

Not talking about Y and his staff here. I am talking about CREDIBLE PROFESSIONAL JOURNALSTS who have MUCH more knowledge about the sport then you do! But yeah try to change the subject... Face it, you are just not a credible source on Red wing prospect rankings.
Have a nice day!

DETROIT HOCKEY NOW: Goaltender Ville Husso’s attempt to return to action from a lower-body injury with the Red Wings’ AHL farm team in Grand Rapids suffered a setback. He left warmups before Friday’s game and didn’t return after conversing with the training staff.

Ville has the Mrazek cursed groin! He should not have taken #34 jersey!!!!!!!!!!

Not talking about Y and his staff here. I am talking about CREDIBLE PROFESSIONAL JOURNALSTS who have MUCH more knowledge about the sport then you do! But yeah try to change the subject... Face it, you are just not a credible source on Red wing prospect rankings.
Have a nice day!
- HenryHockey

You still don't get it. I guess in your mind because someone works as a "journalist" then their opinion is automatically more informed than someone like me who is a mere "fan". If that's your position then the discussion is hopeless.

I've tried to point out that whether someone is a journalist or amateur scout or whomever, they will all have different criteria to come up with subjective rankings. Quantity versus quality? I might emphasize one position over others. Not to mention the most obvious flaw is these journalists have an abysmal track record at this stuff. Whereas, Jeremy can attest, I've been pretty accurate on how players would pan out. Not in hindsight. But on draft day or soon after.

Let's recap. Journalists at the Athletic once noted how Svech could ride shotgun with Larkin, and applauded Detroit for drafting skilled puckmoving d-men like Cholowski and Saarijarvi, even if they were small. What was I saying?

Cholowski will be a bust and passing on Chychrun will haunt us for a decade.

I said picking Zadina was nuts when we desperately needed d-men, not another soft winger who will be the next Jurco. Missed Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard.

I said Rasmussen's ceiling was a bottom 6 forward and he might end up as a winger. Correct. Should have picked a skilled center like Necas or Suzuki. Veleno will never be a top 6 forward but will probably have an NHL career. Correct. Seider is exactly what we needed. Great pick. Correct. The rest of 2019 picks look like a disaster. Correct. Raymond should be a decent top 6 winger, but I'd probably focus on D and take Sanderson. Correct. I hated the Bertuzzi pick and was wrong on that.

But I'm just some random fan. If the Athletic says we have the 2nd best prospect pool in the NHL then we're all set.

You still don't get it. I guess in your mind because someone works as a "journalist" then their opinion is automatically more informed than someone like me who is a mere "fan". If that's your position then the discussion is hopeless.

I've tried to point out that whether someone is a journalist or amateur scout or whomever, they will all have different criteria to come up with subjective rankings. Quantity versus quality? I might emphasize one position over others. Not to mention the most obvious flaw is these journalists have an abysmal track record at this stuff. Whereas, Jeremy can attest, I've been pretty accurate on how players would pan out. Not in hindsight. But on draft day or soon after.

Let's recap. Journalists at the Athletic once noted how Svech could ride shotgun with Larkin, and applauded Detroit for drafting skilled puckmoving d-men like Cholowski and Saarijarvi, even if they were small. What was I saying?

Cholowski will be a bust and passing on Chychrun will haunt us for a decade.

I said picking Zadina was nuts when we desperately needed d-men, not another soft winger who will be the next Jurco. Missed Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard.

I said Rasmussen's ceiling was a bottom 6 forward and he might end up as a winger. Correct. Should have picked a skilled center like Necas or Suzuki. Veleno will never be a top 6 forward but will probably have an NHL career. Correct. Seider is exactly what we needed. Great pick. Correct. The rest of 2019 picks look like a disaster. Correct. Raymond should be a decent top 6 winger, but I'd probably focus on D and take Sanderson. Correct. I hated the Bertuzzi pick and was wrong on that.

But I'm just some random fan. If the Athletic says we have the 2nd best prospect pool in the NHL then we're all set.
- HockeyBuzzed

Well aren’t you just amazing? Good job on being right about everything, Miss Cleo! Give your self a hand 👏🏻, and just a few more great big pats on the back! You deserve it for being so right all the time!🙌🏼

Well aren’t you just amazing? Good job on being right about everything, Miss Cleo! Give your self a hand 👏🏻, and just a few more great big pats on the back! You deserve it for being so right all the time!🙌🏼
- danimal6777

Not right all the time. Very wrong on Bertuzzi. I thought Vrana was a nice addition, but off ice stuff ruined that. I was excited about Cossa but that hasn't gone well so far. Time will tell. Again, Jeremy can attest for my track record. Now cue the hindsight accusations. I guess saying something on draft day isn't good enough. Like when I said Chychrun will probably play 1,000 games while Cholowski will never be an NHL regular. That made me just a hater. Although when I praised the Seider pick on draft day that wasn't really consistent with being a hater.

Yes I'm pretty knowledgeable about our current level of talent. Is it better than the recent past? Yeah, probably. Does anyone have a very high ceiling (aka - first line talent, top pair dman) - that's subject to debate. Danielson and Kasper may be nothing more than middle 6 depth. Maybe a 2C. I don't see top line talent there. Is Mazur the next Berggren? Could be. Johansson is already 23 and seems to be nothing more than a 7th d-man. Dime a dozen. Cossa has been better this year, but when you move up to 15th overall I'm disappointed overall in his development. For ESPN to say we have one of the best prospect pool in the league is laughable.
- HockeyBuzzed

I think Danielson has the highest ceiling and could be at least as good as Larkin (maybe better) assuming he keeps progressing. After last year's preseason you could see his skill level (4 points in 5 games). Small sample size... but you could still see his skill level at age 18. We'll see how it goes. He's their best center prospect in quite a few years. We'll see. It's also way too early to predict all their best prospects will turn out to be only mediocre or a bust at this point... which is what you seem to imply. The Wings are going to keep getting younger and almost all of the UFA placeholders Yzerman signed last year will be gone at the end of this season.

I think Danielson has the highest ceiling and could be at least as good as Larkin (maybe better) assuming he keeps progressing. After last year's preseason you could see his skill level (4 points in 5 games). Small sample size... but you could still see his skill level at age 18. We'll see how it goes. He's their best center prospect in quite a few years. We'll see. It's also way too early to predict all their best prospects will turn out to be only mediocre or a bust at this point... which is what you seem to imply. The Wings are going to keep getting younger and almost all of the UFA placeholders Yzerman signed last year will be gone at the end of this season.
- Vladdie_Kon1

Again, that's not what I said. I don't see anyone that can become a 1C. Danielson could be a very useful 2-way 2nd line center. That's not a bust, but not a 1C. Kasper could be another useful middle 6 forward. Have already said Edvinsson likely becomes a solid 2nd pair guy. Maybe comparable to a Bouemeester. Can Cossa become a legit starting goalies? Maybe. Or maybe it's Augustine.

So where am I saying everyone is a bust? I simply question the ceiling on all of these guys. None appear to be elite. So to say we have the 2nd best prospect pool in the league seems laughable. It's clear the journalist is placing importance on quantity, not quality.