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Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 22 @ 12:23 PM ET
These days, people buy many of their games online. Or there are free ones out there.

However, there should be game systems with 30+ titles for an xbox o ps4 for less than the cost of a new console.

I think you might like the uncharted series as an example, maybe 007, rainbow six. All kinds of games, then there are sports games. At this stage i'd focus more on trying it out rather than going next generation. If you like it, it will still be there.

Also, you can play games online vs randoms without talking to them if you want a human element.

- golfingsince


Thanks golfing, I will look around for a used system, see what type of a package deal I can find.


Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 22 @ 12:30 PM ET
You need to come at me harder than that captain Makita, you're bringing a knife to a gun fight. Ha-Ha...in all seriousness, you know I just try to rile the troops up most of the time with my nonsense.

I don't think anyone takes it too serious, except Vantel on occasion and of course Booner, his sole purpose is to discredit anything I type, which is cute....rent free in his head 24/7

- LeftCoaster


I was also just bustin your balls, it is amusing to see how fast people need to discredit anything posted, or to pat themselves on the back and build up their cred, or to be all knowledgable and @ anyone that challenges their assertions or beliefs....we have a few of those really, really smart guys in the “blog”.

It’s all good, btw, your a dumbass
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 22 @ 12:39 PM ET
Thanks golfing, I will look around for a used system, see what type of a package deal I can find.
- Makita


A buddy told me if you get a PS5 to get the one that will accept an actual game disc, the other model is download only and cheaper.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 22 @ 12:41 PM ET
I was also just bustin your balls, it is amusing to see how fast people need to discredit anything posted, or to pat themselves on the back and build up their cred, or to be all knowledgable and @ anyone that challenges their assertions or beliefs....we have a few of those really, really smart guys in the “blog”.

It’s all good, btw, your a dumbass

- Makita



I'd be interested to know the age group of the main blog, that could answer a lot of things as well.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 22 @ 1:01 PM ET
You need to come at me harder than that captain Makita, you're bringing a knife to a gun fight. Ha-Ha...in all seriousness, you know I just try to rile the troops up most of the time with my nonsense.

I don't think anyone takes it too serious, except Vantel on occasion and of course Booner, his sole purpose is to discredit anything I type, which is cute....rent free in his head 24/7

- LeftCoaster


Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 22 @ 1:03 PM ET
You're too agreeable these days, grab you old sack and give it a tug to make sure it's still there sunshine
- LeftCoaster

STFU and post some pictures of your truck that nobody gives a f*ck about, twinkie.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 22 @ 1:22 PM ET
I was also just bustin your balls, it is amusing to see how fast people need to discredit anything posted, or to pat themselves on the back and build up their cred, or to be all knowledgable and @ anyone that challenges their assertions or beliefs....we have a few of those really, really smart guys in the “blog”.

It’s all good, btw, your a dumbass

- Makita

*you're*

Of course you were, I don't take too many things serious on an anonymous internet board, if anything at all. It's just a time filler, retirement without golf or fishing can get boring at times.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 22 @ 1:28 PM ET
STFU and post some pictures of your truck that nobody gives a f*ck about, twinkie.
- Marwood

Happy?

Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Dec 22 @ 1:42 PM ET
STFU and post some pictures of your truck that nobody gives a f*ck about, twinkie.
- Marwood


There's our little ray of sunshine!
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 22 @ 1:47 PM ET
Thanks golfing, I will look around for a used system, see what type of a package deal I can find.
- Makita


Get a PS5

they will be regularly stocked in Feb/March 2021, so don't give in and buy from a scalper. You can play older playstation games on it as well so you will be good playing whatever game you want.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 22 @ 1:49 PM ET
A buddy told me if you get a PS5 to get the one that will accept an actual game disc, the other model is download only and cheaper.
- VanHockeyGuy


time to nerd it up

your buddy is absolutely right. Dont ever get a digital copy of the PS5 or Xbox. Both digital stores have awful sales, where as if you buy the disc versions, 3rd party retailers have fantastic sales, or you can buy on the used marketplace for really good prices. The digital versions also have very minimal storage, so you can only keep 1 or 2 games on your system at once. The expandable memory costs between 250-350$ CAD as well, so while you save 100$ in the purchase, you easily end up spending WAY more in the long run.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 22 @ 1:56 PM ET
*you're*

Of course you were, I don't take too many things serious on an anonymous internet board, if anything at all. It's just a time filler, retirement without golf or fishing can get boring at times.

- LeftCoaster

And that right there is why YOU ARE a dumbass, teach your wife how to drive the boat, you don’t sell it.

Here honey I sold the boat and bought a canoe...you can operate a paddle right? Honey put the paddle down, honey.....ok fine I’ll sell the canoe.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 22 @ 2:05 PM ET


The government disagrees with you about the ferry.

Again, when, over the last week, have I been female doging about the ferry? Funny thing about opinions man, those who can change their minds are more evolved then those who fixate on singular details.

As I expressed above, the virus is very dangerous to certain demographics, but not all. When was the last time you looked at this subject critically, with a skeptical eye? Or do you prefer your news be spoon fed so that you don't need to think for yourself?

The stats do not add up, do you think that they do?
does the province seem to be responding as if only 2 people died outside of care homes to date?
Do you think that the care homes are doing the right thing by sedating their patients to ensure compliance?
Strange times when normal people can't seem to think for themselves around those subjects without getting triggered into accusing others of being wing nuts....

- Pres.cup

can you please provide some links to the stats that you have been talking about?

you linked the "Great Barrington Declaration," which advocates herd immunity through a mix of natural infection and vaccinations.

that's not an entirely new or radical line of thinking. there have been doctors that have advocated that since the start. some highly trained doctors in the field advocate that approach as a balance between individual and group needs.

however, many/majority of experts in the field disagree with the herd immunity approach. here is a statistical based argument against herd immunity:
https://fivethirtyeight.c...rd-immunity-wont-save-us/

here is a response to the barrington declaration itself which includes medical references:

https://www.sciencemediac...d-for-focused-protection/

now that we have vaccines, perhaps herd immunity will be possible with fewer restrictions but we aren't at that point yet based on the increased curve of infections prior to the recent restrictions.

also, it's important to note that sweden tried the approach you're advocating. they tried an adult approach by asking their citizens to be responsible. it didn't work.

Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021

so just to end: please link the stats numbers. i'd like to read them. sounds interesting.
specifically, deaths broken down by age and where they were (long term care or at home/public). also, you mentioned that a lot of miscellaneous deaths were labelled as covid. can you provide a linked source? you mentioned something about ontario but it was vague. a specific link to where you saw the info would be helpful.

edit: just because you like nefarious dark forces at work in the background, look into who funded the great barrington declaration. i'll add that it's weird that a declaration (essentially a letter) had to be funded. $$$

it might be a bit of a pickle for you. the kochs are libertarians but they're billionaires.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Dec 22 @ 3:10 PM ET
time to nerd it up

your buddy is absolutely right. Dont ever get a digital copy of the PS5 or Xbox. Both digital stores have awful sales, where as if you buy the disc versions, 3rd party retailers have fantastic sales, or you can buy on the used marketplace for really good prices. The digital versions also have very minimal storage, so you can only keep 1 or 2 games on your system at once. The expandable memory costs between 250-350$ CAD as well, so while you save 100$ in the purchase, you easily end up spending WAY more in the long run.

- Codes1087


Well, fellow nerd....

I agree with not buying the base system for performance reasons. Physical disks are great but....

You don't need to get up and switch disks to play digital copies, trust me, this is a thing, I misplaced nhl 20 and it wouldn't let me play until I found the disk, not so with digital copies.

With the new system, Ps4 pro and xboneX, you can plug any USB 3.0 external hard drive into it, format it and it will work(has to be certain size, 500gb or 1tb work), SSD are the best buy you can grab a 1Tb hdd for under 100 bucks to expand your storage.
The digital versions have enough storage to store between 5 and 10 new games on them.

Besides that, I agree with chodes.

Enjoy
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 22 @ 3:17 PM ET
time to nerd it up

your buddy is absolutely right. Dont ever get a digital copy of the PS5 or Xbox. Both digital stores have awful sales, where as if you buy the disc versions, 3rd party retailers have fantastic sales, or you can buy on the used marketplace for really good prices. The digital versions also have very minimal storage, so you can only keep 1 or 2 games on your system at once. The expandable memory costs between 250-350$ CAD as well, so while you save 100$ in the purchase, you easily end up spending WAY more in the long run.

- Codes1087

Thanks Codes, I was on line looking for the newer versions of both consoles, nothing available locally. Based on this info I will stay away from digital for sure.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 22 @ 3:19 PM ET
Well, fellow nerd....

I agree with not buying the base system for performance reasons. Physical disks are great but....

You don't need to get up and switch disks to play digital copies, trust me, this is a thing, I misplaced nhl 20 and it wouldn't let me play until I found the disk, not so with digital copies.

With the new system, Ps4 pro and xboneX, you can plug any USB 3.0 external hard drive into it, format it and it will work(has to be certain size, 500gb or 1tb work), SSD are the best buy you can grab a 1Tb hdd for under 100 bucks to expand your storage.
The digital versions have enough storage to store between 5 and 10 new games on them.

Besides that, I agree with chodes.

Enjoy

- Pres.cup


the new games are FAR bigger than what you think. COD Warzone/Cold war for instance if well over a gig I believe. The expandable storage isn't universal (from what I read). They are specific to the console and must be purchased through Sony/Microsoft (Sony still hasn't released their expandable storage, and its $250 for the microsft one). There is also no hardware difference between the digital and disc versions, I think you are probably referring to xbox S and X?

The losing of the disc is more a personal problem lol, same with laziness to get up and swap the discs. I understand the luxury, but i would take the long term savings of buying used or 3rd party sales over being restricted to the digital store and having to buy expandable memory any day of the week.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 22 @ 3:21 PM ET
Thanks Codes, I was on line looking for the newer versions of both consoles, nothing available locally. Based on this info I will stay away from digital for sure.
- Makita


yeah its best to wait it out. I know that the Disc version of the PS5 comes to around $720 after taxes, and local marketplace is selling for $1000-$1400 right now (absolutely criminal if you ask me). Best to wait until they are better stocked and get a PS5 when the demand seems to lower, you will be very happy with your purchase, especially with all the backwards compatibility and the retro games you can unlock and play.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Dec 22 @ 3:26 PM ET
can you please provide some links to the stats that you have been talking about?

you linked the "Great Barrington Declaration," which advocates herd immunity through a mix of natural infection and vaccinations.

that's not an entirely new or radical line of thinking. there have been doctors that have advocated that since the start. some highly trained doctors in the field advocate that approach as a balance between individual and group needs.

however, many/majority of experts in the field disagree with the herd immunity approach. here is a statistical based argument against herd immunity:
https://fivethirtyeight.c...rd-immunity-wont-save-us/

here is a response to the barrington declaration itself which includes medical references:

https://www.sciencemediac...d-for-focused-protection/

now that we have vaccines, perhaps herd immunity will be possible with fewer restrictions but we aren't at that point yet based on the increased curve of infections prior to the recent restrictions.

also, it's important to note that sweden tried the approach you're advocating. they tried an adult approach by asking their citizens to be responsible. it didn't work.

Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021

so just to end: please link the stats numbers. i'd like to read them. sounds interesting.
specifically, deaths broken down by age and where they were (long term care or at home/public). also, you mentioned that a lot of miscellaneous deaths were labelled as covid. can you provide a linked source? you mentioned something about ontario but it was vague. a specific link to where you saw the info would be helpful.

edit: just because you like nefarious dark forces at work in the background, look into who funded the great barrington declaration. i'll add that it's weird that a declaration (essentially a letter) had to be funded. $$$

it might be a bit of a pickle for you. the kochs are libertarians but they're billionaires.

- RealityChecker



If you Backread far enough I did provide links, I'll see if I can compel myself to re-research again...

On December 15th Dr Bonnie stated the 2 deaths outside of care homes, fact, on live television.

The death rates per year is from stats Canada.

They(nobody) are not publishing mortality rates by age, I've dug very deep and can't find any reputable source, it's one of my issues with the total numbers being bandied about a it doesn't tell the whole story.

Total deaths by province is again stats Canada.

Expected death rates is from the UN.

Total death by country per year was sourced from the CIA website, I posted a link to a graph earlier.

The Ontario counting suicides was part of a press release from the Ontario health authority who stated that they wanted to judge all deaths regarding covid equally.

The 91 percent antibody from people who have recovered from Covid was sourced from the Iceland study where they studied the genome of every covid case in the country. As was the finding that pubescent children are 50 percent less likely to pass on covid then adults and prepubescent children were 25 percent as likely.

It's scientifically impossible to have a longer antibody response from a vaccine then the virus, of the vaccine was operating at 100 percent efficiency, with the same immune response the antibody response would be identical. That's biology 101. The issue is the strength of the response and the current lack of the ability to test people for antibody response once the body stops producing the initial antibodies, 3 to 6 months, same as with the vaccine.

I am aware of the evil Koch brothers, I treat them with the same grain of salt I do most billionaires who use their wealth to impact policy, including Gates, who owns huge shares in many pharmaceutical companies and has seen his wealth almost double as a result, not saying it's a conspiracy, just saying he has a huge financial motive to push for universal vaccinations.

Professors of Harvard and Oxford are hardly known to be conservatives, rather they, as most university professors are, tend to be painted as left wing ideologues.

That's long wined enough for now.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 22 @ 3:32 PM ET
can you please provide some links to the stats that you have been talking about?

you linked the "Great Barrington Declaration," which advocates herd immunity through a mix of natural infection and vaccinations.

that's not an entirely new or radical line of thinking. there have been doctors that have advocated that since the start. some highly trained doctors in the field advocate that approach as a balance between individual and group needs.

however, many/majority of experts in the field disagree with the herd immunity approach. here is a statistical based argument against herd immunity:
https://fivethirtyeight.c...rd-immunity-wont-save-us/

here is a response to the barrington declaration itself which includes medical references:

https://www.sciencemediac...d-for-focused-protection/

now that we have vaccines, perhaps herd immunity will be possible with fewer restrictions but we aren't at that point yet based on the increased curve of infections prior to the recent restrictions.

also, it's important to note that sweden tried the approach you're advocating. they tried an adult approach by asking their citizens to be responsible. it didn't work.

Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021

so just to end: please link the stats numbers. i'd like to read them. sounds interesting.
specifically, deaths broken down by age and where they were (long term care or at home/public). also, you mentioned that a lot of miscellaneous deaths were labelled as covid. can you provide a linked source? you mentioned something about ontario but it was vague. a specific link to where you saw the info would be helpful.

edit: just because you like nefarious dark forces at work in the background, look into who funded the great barrington declaration. i'll add that it's weird that a declaration (essentially a letter) had to be funded. $$$

it might be a bit of a pickle for you. the kochs are libertarians but they're billionaires.

- RealityChecker

Good luck. He'll say the gov't has removed them.
Pacificgem
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 22 @ 3:35 PM ET
If you Bankhead far enough I did provide links.

On December 15th Dr Bonnie started the 2 deaths outside of care homes on live television.

The death rates per year is from stats Canada.

They(nobody) are not publishing mortality rates by age, I've dug very deep and can't find them, it's one of my issues with the total numbers being bandied about.

Total deaths by province is again stats Canada.

Expected death rates is from the UN.

Total death by country per year was sourced from the CIA website.

The Ontario counting suicides was part of a press release from the Ontario health authority.

The 91 percent antibody from people recovered from Covid was sourced from the Iceland study where they studied the genome of every covid case in the country. As was the finding that pubescent children are 50 percent less likely to pass on covid then adults and prepubescent children were 25 percent as likely.

It's scientifically impossible to have a longer antibody response from a vaccine then the virus, of the vaccine was operating at 100 percent efficiency, with the same immune response the antibody response would be identical. That's beginner's biology 101. The issue is the strength of the response and lack of ability to test for antibody response one the body stops producing antibodies.

I am aware of the evil Koch brothers, I treat them with the same grain of salt I do most billionaires who use their wealth to impact policy, including gates, who owns huge shares in many pharmaceutical companies and has seen his wealth almost double as a result.

Professors of Harvard and Oxford are hardly known to be conservatives, rather they, as most university professors are, tend to be painted as left wing ideologues.

That's long wined enough for now.

- Pres.cup

I read this morning the global death toll from the Spanish Flu between Feb. 1918 and April 1920, twenty six months, was an astonishing 50 to upwards of 100 million souls, 3-5% of the worlds population at the time. That's unbelievable!!

Twelve months into this thing, 1.8 million people have died thus far globally, which is terrible in and of itself, however, it pales in comparison to the historically worst global pandemics.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 22 @ 3:39 PM ET
If you Bankhead far enough I did provide links.

On December 15th Dr Bonnie started the 2 deaths outside of care homes on live television.

The death rates per year is from stats Canada.

They(nobody) are not publishing mortality rates by age, I've dug very deep and can't find them, it's one of my issues with the total numbers being bandied about.

Total deaths by province is again stats Canada.

Expected death rates is from the UN.

Total death by country per year was sourced from the CIA website.

The Ontario counting suicides was part of a press release from the Ontario health authority.

The 91 percent antibody from people recovered from Covid was sourced from the Iceland study where they studied the genome of every covid case in the country. As was the finding that pubescent children are 50 percent less likely to pass on covid then adults and prepubescent children were 25 percent as likely.

It's scientifically impossible to have a longer antibody response from a vaccine then the virus, of the vaccine was operating at 100 percent efficiency, with the same immune response the antibody response would be identical. That's beginner's biology 101. The issue is the strength of the response and lack of ability to test for antibody response one the body stops producing antibodies.

I am aware of the evil Koch brothers, I treat them with the same grain of salt I do most billionaires who use their wealth to impact policy, including gates, who owns huge shares in many pharmaceutical companies and has seen his wealth almost double as a result.

Professors of Harvard and Oxford are hardly known to be conservatives, rather they, as most university professors are, tend to be painted as left wing ideologues.

That's long wined enough for now.

- Pres.cup

these aren't citations to anything that can be looked at and discussed.

let's just leave it there. you believe in herd immunity and i don't.

RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 22 @ 3:43 PM ET
I read this morning the global death toll from the Spanish Flu between Feb. 1918 and April 1920, twenty six months, was an astonishing 50 to upwards of 100 million souls, 3-5% of the worlds population at the time. That's unbelievable!!

Twelve months into this thing, 1.8 million people have died thus far globally, which is terrible in and of itself, however, it pales in comparison to the historically worst global pandemics.

- Pacificgem

i know right?

it seems that these draconian efforts have really managed to keep the death toll down around the world.

makes you think how many people could have been saved around the world 100 years ago if there was enough knowledge (and the ability to inform) back then.
Pacificgem
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 22 @ 3:43 PM ET
Do you guys realize around 9-10 million people die every year globally from cancer related deaths, that's awful. Sorry, I'm just reading about global death rates. I had no idea it was that high.
Pacificgem
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 22 @ 3:47 PM ET
i know right?

it seems that these draconian efforts have really managed to keep the death toll down around the world.

makes you think how many people could have been saved around the world 100 years ago if there was enough knowledge (and the ability to inform) back then.

- RealityChecker

Science is a wonderful thing. I'm looking through the historical deaths from global epidemics, the Bubonic Plague was responsible for so many deaths over the course of human history. Thankfully science has developed treatments for it!

Also, I'm reading that there were measure taken in 1918, similar as there has been today, however, the War was deemed more important than the outbreak to countries such as England.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 22 @ 3:52 PM ET
Science is a wonderful thing. I'm looking through the historical deaths from global epidemics, the Bubonic Plague was responsible for so many deaths over the course of human history. Thankfully science has developed treatments for it!
- Pacificgem

It's just bits of knowledge being built upon.

I can't remember the specific doctor in the 19th century (?) but he figured out that doctors washing their hands between patients and before surgery led to a lower death rate? Whodathunkit? Lol, little bits of progress.
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