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Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 23 @ 9:02 PM ET
Funny that he's not banned from Twitter while.....
- Pres.cup

I don't support Trump but...
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 23 @ 9:46 PM ET
I don't support Trump but...
- Marwood


You mean "I don't support Ayatollah Ali Khamenei posting about a drone strike on an American citizen, but......" right?

Even you can see the hypocrisy there? Or would that not fit your orange man bad narrative?

If you think the orange douche's post was more inducing of violence then that, then you're as big a bigot as your hero Hillary Clinton. šŸ˜‰
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 24 @ 2:14 AM ET
You mean "I don't support Ayatollah Ali Khamenei posting about a drone strike on an American citizen, but......" right?

Even you can see the hypocrisy there? Or would that not fit your orange man bad narrative?

If you think the orange douche's post was more inducing of violence then that, then you're as big a bigot as your hero Hillary Clinton. šŸ˜‰

- Pres.cup


Oh come on. Who knew Ali had a sense of humour.

Picture it... the supreme leadership of Iran sitting around the hookah trying to come up with a way of trolling the fat orange loser. Ahmed says ā€œhow about drone footage of a guy who looks like trump golfing and then weā€™ll photoshop in a shadow of a stealth bomber on the courseā€. They all laugh and Fatima pulls out his laptop and gets to work.

As far as Iā€™m concerned, the fat orange douche used Twitter as a weapon and now others are following suit.
Makita
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Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 24 @ 4:07 AM ET
You mean "I don't support Ayatollah Ali Khamenei posting about a drone strike on an American citizen, but......" right?

Even you can see the hypocrisy there? Or would that not fit your orange man bad narrative?

If you think the orange douche's post was more inducing of violence then that, then you're as big a bigot as your hero Hillary Clinton. šŸ˜‰

- Pres.cup

I can see the hypocrisy here, for years trump has used social media to shame, call out, crucify, demand Justice or restitution for self perceived ideals, for years.

As a Canadian, not American, I have heard at nauseating levels of his diatribe non stop. How much has Ayatollah Ali Khamenei been posting, at nauseating levels, as a Canadian itā€™s not flooding my news stream, but he makes one meme and here you are calling out hypocrisy.
The ā€œorange doucheā€ as you call him ( your hero) has posted far worse than that. But hey, now how about that innocent threat meme, that just crosses the boundaries and impacts your narrative.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 24 @ 12:12 PM ET
I can see the hypocrisy here, for years trump has used social media to shame, call out, crucify, demand Justice or restitution for self perceived ideals, for years.

As a Canadian, not American, I have heard at nauseating levels of his diatribe non stop. How much has Ayatollah Ali Khamenei been posting, at nauseating levels, as a Canadian itā€™s not flooding my news stream, but he makes one meme and here you are calling out hypocrisy.
The ā€œorange doucheā€ as you call him ( your hero) has posted far worse than that. But hey, now how about that innocent threat meme, that just crosses the boundaries and impacts your narrative.

- Makita




Persons who in real life encourage actual murder are allowed to tweet, dictators in the east and south America. I understand they don't live close to us, so I guess their crimes are forgiven and ignored. But quick, erase the orange man so that we may dance on his memory in celebration of our brave socialist victory over him and his 70 million believers.

The only reason the orange man got deleted was PR, if people actually believe there was gonna be a coup, they're delusional conspiracy theorists.

We talked about cages already, how about insulin? Biden reversed Trumps fair drug price policy yesterday, making the daily cost of insulin jump from 20 dollars a day(fixed at cost plus) to 200 dollars a day(fixed to pharmaceutical profits). My hero, Biden is so cool and good for the average person.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 24 @ 12:38 PM ET


Persons who in real life encourage actual murder are allowed to tweet, dictators in the east and south America. I understand they don't live close to us, so I guess their crimes are forgiven and ignored. But quick, erase the orange man so that we may dance on his memory in celebration of our brave socialist victory over him and his 70 million believers.

The only reason the orange man got deleted was PR, if people actually believe there was gonna be a coup, they're delusional conspiracy theorists.

We talked about cages already, how about insulin? Biden reversed Trumps fair drug price policy yesterday, making the daily cost of insulin jump from 20 dollars a day(fixed at cost plus) to 200 dollars a day(fixed to pharmaceutical profits). My hero, Biden is so cool and good for the average person.

- Pres.cup


Who are these socialists you are talking about? Who in the US political scene do you consider true socialists?

Even Bernie (one of your guys) is not a true socialist. Heā€™s just capitalizing on a movement. Donā€™t blame him either. Asking for fare pay, accessible health care, post secondary education at a reasonable cost, sick pay and statutory vacations, etc. are not a gateway to communism. They are basic rights for people in successful western cultures.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 24 @ 12:44 PM ET
Itā€™s interesting to read about the Republican Party splitting into factions. Now you have the distinction of ā€œtrump Republicansā€ as opposed to ā€œLincoln Republicansā€ or ā€œfiscal conservativesā€ and ā€œsocial conservativesā€.

Itā€™s happening to the Democrats as well, just not as prominent.

Are we finally seeing the end of the two party system in the US?
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 24 @ 1:15 PM ET
Who are these socialists you are talking about? Who in the US political scene do you consider true socialists?

Even Bernie (one of your guys) is not a true socialist. Heā€™s just capitalizing on a movement. Donā€™t blame him either. Asking for fare pay, accessible health care, post secondary education at a reasonable cost, sick pay and statutory vacations, etc. are not a gateway to communism. They are basic rights for people in successful western cultures.

- bloatedmosquito

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 24 @ 1:20 PM ET
Itā€™s interesting to read about the Republican Party splitting into factions. Now you have the distinction of ā€œtrump Republicansā€ as opposed to ā€œLincoln Republicansā€ or ā€œfiscal conservativesā€ and ā€œsocial conservativesā€.

Itā€™s happening to the Democrats as well, just not as prominent.

Are we finally seeing the end of the two party system in the US?

- bloatedmosquito


I don't think Trump could raise enough money to form his own party and be successful.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 24 @ 1:29 PM ET


Persons who in real life encourage actual murder are allowed to tweet, dictators in the east and south America. I understand they don't live close to us, so I guess their crimes are forgiven and ignored. But quick, erase the orange man so that we may dance on his memory in celebration of our brave socialist victory over him and his 70 million believers.

The only reason the orange man got deleted was PR, if people actually believe there was gonna be a coup, they're delusional conspiracy theorists.

We talked about cages already, how about insulin? Biden reversed Trumps fair drug price policy yesterday, making the daily cost of insulin jump from 20 dollars a day(fixed at cost plus) to 200 dollars a day(fixed to pharmaceutical profits). My hero, Biden is so cool and good for the average person.

- Pres.cup

Keep defending your idol.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 24 @ 1:30 PM ET
I don't think Trump could raise enough money to form his own party and be successful.
- golfingsince

How about steal & embezzle?
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 24 @ 1:42 PM ET


Persons who in real life encourage actual murder are allowed to tweet, dictators in the east and south America. I understand they don't live close to us, so I guess their crimes are forgiven and ignored. But quick, erase the orange man so that we may dance on his memory in celebration of our brave socialist victory over him and his 70 million believers.

The only reason the orange man got deleted was PR, if people actually believe there was gonna be a coup, they're delusional conspiracy theorists.

We talked about cages already, how about insulin? Biden reversed Trumps fair drug price policy yesterday, making the daily cost of insulin jump from 20 dollars a day(fixed at cost plus) to 200 dollars a day(fixed to pharmaceutical profits). My hero, Biden is so cool and good for the average person.

- Pres.cup

The point is your demi God Trump had years and years of spewing hate and terror and a another lunatic just like trump posts an innocent image of some trump looking guy and states karma, because of the murderous trump dropping a bomb killing a man and gloating. After years of these other lunatic dictators (like your hero Trump) will get removed from social media, twitter is just being fair with screen time. Ali is only 1,274,521 behind trump in posting hate and terror messages, then he will be banned.

So the insurrection was just a few thousand people looking for selfies with pence and their fellow republicans is your belief, yep you are a Trump Lovin conspiracy theorist extraordinaire. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø.

Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 24 @ 2:21 PM ET
Who are these socialists you are talking about? Who in the US political scene do you consider true socialists?

Even Bernie (one of your guys) is not a true socialist. Heā€™s just capitalizing on a movement. Donā€™t blame him either. Asking for fare pay, accessible health care, post secondary education at a reasonable cost, sick pay and statutory vacations, etc. are not a gateway to communism. They are basic rights for people in successful western cultures.

- bloatedmosquito


I use the term very much, tongue and cheek.
The rhetoric coming from the states is that health care and social services are socialist. No one in power in the states wants socialism, it would reduce their power. Maybe tulsi gabbard(sp) I do actually like her.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Iā€™m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 24 @ 2:27 PM ET

- golfingsince


Just another thing I donā€™t get about Americans. How could they see these rights as a threat to their way of life? These are just basic benefits of a healthy society. Not sinister in any way yet made out to be a conspiracy to destroy America. Itā€™s nuts.

Yet most Americans benefit from taxpayer funded public education, one of the most fundamentally socialistic programs known. I donā€™t get it.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 24 @ 2:34 PM ET
The point is your demi God Trump had years and years of spewing hate and terror and a another lunatic just like trump posts an innocent image of some trump looking guy and states karma, because of the murderous trump dropping a bomb killing a man and gloating. After years of these other lunatic dictators (like your hero Trump) will get removed from social media, twitter is just being fair with screen time. Ali is only 1,274,521 behind trump in posting hate and terror messages, then he will be banned.

So the insurrection was just a few thousand people looking for selfies with pence and their fellow republicans is your belief, yep you are a Trump Lovin conspiracy theorist extraordinaire. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø.

- Makita



Living the narrative I see....

You need to remove your assumptions about who I actually support. Just because I point out the hypocrisy and believe in certain standards of accountability from everyone equally doesn't make me a supporter of any one demagogue.

No insurrection in history has ever taken place without the support on one of the militarized branches of government. I support BLM, they called for people to rise up and overthrow the police(the face of the government), did anyone use similar rhetoric in regards to them? No, I didn't either because that's stupid and ridiculous.

If you actually believe there was even a 0.001 percent chance that the American government was going to fail and Trump installed as a dictator for life then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Here's an example of grotesque use of Twitter,
the Chinese embassy in the United States tweeted that Uighur women in the countryā€™s Xinjiang region had been ā€œliberatedā€ by the Chinese governmentā€™s policies, and were no longer ā€œbaby-making machinesā€ā€”a disturbing spin on a draconian campaign of population control that has involved the forced use of IUDs, sterilization, and abortion. Twitter deleted the tweet over the weekend, without specifying what rule it had violated, though another one from the same day claiming that young people in Xinjiang benefit from the governmentā€™s policies remains. Surely celebrating ethnic genocide is at least a bad as the orange man calling for protests? But I guess it's easier to pretend to care about minority rights here rather then globally.

Also, why Khamenei tweets calling for the destruction of the ā€œZionist regimeā€ donā€™t also constitute ā€œglorifying violence" and do not get deleted. Again the hypocrisy is blatant and I'm surprised how many sheep follow the hypocrisy blindly.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 24 @ 2:36 PM ET
Just another thing I donā€™t get about Americans. How could they see these rights as a threat to their way of life? These are just basic benefits of a healthy society. Not sinister in any way yet made out to be a conspiracy to destroy America. Itā€™s nuts.

Yet most Americans benefit from taxpayer funded public education, one of the most fundamentally socialistic programs known. I donā€™t get it.

- bloatedmosquito


Because they see themselves as closer to billionaires then the food bank.... blindly pretending to be enlightened. Fools.

Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 24 @ 3:36 PM ET

Living the narrative I see....

You need to remove your assumptions about who I actually support. Just because I point out the hypocrisy and believe in certain standards of accountability from everyone equally doesn't make me a supporter of any one demagogue.

No insurrection in history has ever taken place without the support on one of the militarized branches of government. I support BLM, they called for people to rise up and overthrow the police(the face of the government), did anyone use similar rhetoric in regards to them? No, I didn't either because that's stupid and ridiculous.

If you actually believe there was even a 0.001 percent chance that the American government was going to fail and Trump installed as a dictator for life then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Here's an example of grotesque use of Twitter,
the Chinese embassy in the United States tweeted that Uighur women in the countryā€™s Xinjiang region had been ā€œliberatedā€ by the Chinese governmentā€™s policies, and were no longer ā€œbaby-making machinesā€ā€”a disturbing spin on a draconian campaign of population control that has involved the forced use of IUDs, sterilization, and abortion. Twitter deleted the tweet over the weekend, without specifying what rule it had violated, though another one from the same day claiming that young people in Xinjiang benefit from the governmentā€™s policies remains. Surely celebrating ethnic genocide is at least a bad as the orange man calling for protests? But I guess it's easier to pretend to care about minority rights here rather then globally.

Also, why Khamenei tweets calling for the destruction of the ā€œZionist regimeā€ donā€™t also constitute ā€œglorifying violence" and do not get deleted. Again the hypocrisy is blatant and I'm surprised how many sheep follow the hypocrisy blindly.

- Pres.cup


I donā€™t have to remove any assumptions about who you support, itā€™s plain to see in all the posts you make. I would guess you have a massive comb over with skin that radiates an orange hew, you probably drive a jacked up pickup truck with gun racks in the back window displaying the confederate flag. When you honk the horn Dixie comes blaring out.

Hypocrite much, never once have you posted of the atrocities, the hate and terror Trump has spewed for all these years, but as soon as Biden becomes president, oh my, the horror, what a bad man, been in office 4 days and šŸ’„ here come the indignant expectations.

And how you compare the insurrection that was encouraged and inspired by the President and members of Congress to attack the Capital and hang Mike Pence, to the riots of racial injustices against blacks is mind numbing.

Your opinions and stance just reinforces my beliefs, https://www.google.ca/url...Vaw0x1-K28K7eoh3iiWixPZo9
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 24 @ 4:28 PM ET
I donā€™t have to remove any assumptions about who you support, itā€™s plain to see in all the posts you make. I would guess you have a massive comb over with skin that radiates an orange hew, you probably drive a jacked up pickup truck with gun racks in the back window displaying the confederate flag. When you honk the horn Dixie comes blaring out.

Hypocrite much, never once have you posted of the atrocities, the hate and terror Trump has spewed for all these years, but as soon as Biden becomes president, oh my, the horror, what a bad man, been in office 4 days and šŸ’„ here come the indignant expectations.

And how you compare the insurrection that was encouraged and inspired by the President and members of Congress to attack the Capital and hang Mike Pence, to the riots of racial injustices against blacks is mind numbing.

Your opinions and stance just reinforces my beliefs, https://www.google.ca/url...Vaw0x1-K28K7eoh3iiWixPZo9

- Makita




If you can recall I posted anti Trump rhetoric all 4 years, up until around the election.

I'm sorry for triggering you with my disrupting your narrative.
All I did was post two facts.
1. The pipeline got canceled while the cages weren't opened.
2. Biden canceled the fair drug price act of Trumps which had lowered the daily cost of insulin from 200 dollars a day to 20.

If you haven't caught on or noticed yet, I'm just mocking those who blindly adhere to one sided rhetoric. The unceasing celebration at his loss is both sad and funny because nothing will actually change. The status quo will return and the ills will all be blamed on the predecessor.

I laugh at the last paragraph because I know it's intentionally over the top, but some people actually believe that.

I have on multiple occasions stated my support of BLM riots, ACAB, etc... I have never once condoned the capital riots, I think they were a bunch of idiots without cause. I have however watched the video of them and they were not extremely violent especially by comparison, yes there were some violent Richards but it has been badly miscategorized and successfully labeled as a coup attempt for political purposes. Which I find both sad and amusing.
golfingsince
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Jan 24 @ 5:23 PM ET
Just another thing I donā€™t get about Americans. How could they see these rights as a threat to their way of life? These are just basic benefits of a healthy society. Not sinister in any way yet made out to be a conspiracy to destroy America. Itā€™s nuts.

Yet most Americans benefit from taxpayer funded public education, one of the most fundamentally socialistic programs known. I donā€™t get it.

- bloatedmosquito

I believe it goes back to the revolution against the crown and taxes. It's just a mindset they have that lower taxes and less programs equals more freedom.
Pres.cup
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Jan 24 @ 5:46 PM ET
I believe it goes back to the revolution against the crown and taxes. It's just a mindset they have that lower taxes and less programs equals more freedom.
- golfingsince


They're so programed, if they put a portion of their military budget into social programs like health care.... it's not about more taxes, it's about re proportioning the pie to better support the actual people.... good luck getting them to see the trees through the forest though.... even on here most people believe the capital riots were more violent then the Portland riots... #blindsheep
golfingsince
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Jan 24 @ 8:21 PM ET
They're so programed, if they put a portion of their military budget into social programs like health care.... it's not about more taxes, it's about re proportioning the pie to better support the actual people.... good luck getting them to see the trees through the forest though.... even on here most people believe the capital riots were more violent then the Portland riots... #blindsheep
- Pres.cup

The Portland riots went on for much longer and were for a social injustice. They also weren't encouraged (led) by POTUS and his lies.

Trying to draw a comparison between the two is dumb.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 24 @ 8:49 PM ET
The Portland riots went on for much longer and were for a social injustice. They also weren't encouraged (led) by POTUS and his lies.

Trying to draw a comparison between the two is dumb.

- golfingsince

Trump was brave, everyone else is a liberal hypocrite.
Pres.cup
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Jan 24 @ 9:46 PM ET
The Portland riots went on for much longer and were for a social injustice. They also weren't encouraged (led) by POTUS and his lies.

Trying to draw a comparison between the two is dumb.

- golfingsince


So now we can't compare how violent different riots were?

Not talking about the reasons for the riots, I'm talking about how they're being portrayed. Even in your response the language you're using is enhancing how bad the capital riots were.
The fact that facts critical of the portrayal of the so called coup can't be uttered without being accused of being a Trumpist is ridiculous. I previously explained my views and why I'm comparing them. Yet because it doesn't fit the narrative, triggered posters must mock and try to pigeonhole me into being some kind of alt right wingnut... it's baffling how fixated on singular opinions some people are.

Fine, the Stanley cup riots were much more violent then the "capital riots" yet the Language around the armed insurrection and violent coup attempt at the capital would suggest that the country was in danger of being toppled... by a couple thousand protestors... fucking give me a break already it's pathetic.
Pres.cup
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Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 24 @ 9:48 PM ET
Trump was brave, everyone else is a liberal hypocrite.
- Marwood


Not everyone who disagrees with your narrative espouses the opposite narrative....

Take the rose coloured glasses off and look outside once in awhile, most people aren't black and white, we're all shades of gray.
golfingsince
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Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM ET
So now we can't compare how violent different riots were?

Not talking about the reasons for the riots, I'm talking about how they're being portrayed. Even in your response the language you're using is enhancing how bad the capital riots were.
The fact that facts critical of the portrayal of the so called coup can't be uttered without being accused of being a Trumpist is ridiculous. I previously explained my views and why I'm comparing them. Yet because it doesn't fit the narrative, triggered posters must mock and try to pigeonhole me into being some kind of alt right wingnut... it's baffling how fixated on singular opinions some people are.

Fine, the Stanley cup riots were much more violent then the "capital riots" yet the Language around the armed insurrection and violent coup attempt at the capital would suggest that the country was in danger of being toppled... by a couple thousand protestors... fucking give me a break already it's pathetic.

- Pres.cup


As should everyone.

I'm not defending the riots in Portland but we're talking about entirely different reasons. One is an ongoing combat against social injustice in a country who's history is littered with it. The other is a sanctioned march by an outgoing President who refused to cede until this march went nowhere and he was out of options to remain in power.

It was an attack on democracy in a country that champions it. Again, you'd have to have your head up your ass to think these two movements are anywhere similar.
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