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Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Thursday @ 3:29 PM ET
Weedwood's boy JT!!


- LordHumungous

It appears that Marwood is a permanent fixture in your head.
I believe it's called rent free.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Thursday @ 5:20 PM ET
Weedwood's boy JT!!


- LordHumungous


If he truly cared about Canada he'd call an election in the new year. This won't happen as he's a narcissist and he'll ride it out to the end even though him and his party know they have zero chance at getting re-elected. That is not a PM working in the best interests of the Canadian people, it's Trudeau taking care of himself.

Not having any quality candidates to replace JT is worst part of the next election.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Thursday @ 6:31 PM ET
It is possible that Ek can (or if he delegated someone else) fully delete any topic he wanted. Although after all the ridiculous threads and topics not even addressed or monitored is staggering.
Go back to Canucks forums and start another, be interesting to see if it gets admin interest.

- Makita


It's no bother to me. I'm not complaining.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Friday @ 11:35 AM ET
🚨BREAKING: German AfD party says if they win the election in February they will LEAVE the EU.

The EU is on the verge of collapse.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Friday @ 1:22 PM ET
🚨BREAKING: German AfD party says if they win the election in February they will LEAVE the EU.

The EU is on the verge of collapse.

- Pacificgem


If the AfD wins they won't have enough for a majority, so this is highly unlikely. They're currently polling at about 19% in second place.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sunday @ 12:00 PM ET
OTTAWA, November 29, 2024 — Good evening my fellow Canadians, and welcome to the final chapter of Canada as a thriving economy, brought to you courtesy of Justin Trudeau. The latest GDP report isn’t just a spreadsheet of bad news—it’s a grim look at the devastation Trudeau has unleashed on Canada’s economy.

Here’s what they won’t tell you: while Trudeau prances around on the world stage, preaching about climate change and "equity," the average Canadian is getting poorer. GDP per capita—one of the most telling measures of prosperity—has now declined for six consecutive quarters, hitting levels not seen since 2017. Let that sink in. Under Trudeau’s leadership, Canadians are worse off today than they were seven years ago.

Canada’s GDP Growth: A Sluggish Economy Falling Behind

The latest figures from Statistics Canada’s Gross Domestic Product, Income, and Expenditure: Third Quarter 2024 report show an economy struggling to find its footing. Real GDP grew by 0.3% in Q3 2024, a slowdown from the 0.5% growth in the first and second quarters of the year. On an annual basis, GDP growth for 2023 was a modest 1.1%, further highlighting Canada’s weak economic momentum.

In real terms, Canada’s GDP as of Q3 2024 stands at $2,419,572 million (chained 2017 dollars). While the economy continues to expand, this growth pales in comparison to the nation’s surging population.

GDP Per Capita Declines: A Warning Sign for Canadians

Canada’s economic growth is not keeping pace with its rapid population expansion. In Q3 2024, GDP per capita—arguably the most important measure of economic health—declined by 0.4%, marking the sixth consecutive quarterly drop. With a staggering 3.2% population growth in 2023, Canada’s economy cannot sustain the same level of prosperity for its citizens.

Current GDP per capita is estimated at ~$54,000, down from its pre-pandemic high of ~$58,100 in 2017, and 2.5% below 2019 levels. To return to its long-term trend, GDP per capita would need to grow at an ambitious 1.7% annually for the next decade, a rate well above the recent average of just 1.1% per year since 1981.

Historical Context: Long-Term Prosperity Eroded

The report shows a troubling trajectory in inflation-adjusted GDP per capita over decades:

1981: ~$36,900

2017: ~$58,100

2024: ~$54,000 (estimated due to consecutive declines).

Despite Canada’s resource wealth and economic potential, GDP per capita remains 7% below its historical growth trend, signaling systemic productivity and investment issues.

Key Drivers of GDP Growth in Q3 2024

The Q3 2024 report highlights the components influencing GDP growth:

Household Spending: +0.9%

Government Spending: +1.1%

Business Investment in Machinery and Equipment: -7.8%

Exports: -0.3%

Imports: -0.1%

While household and government expenditures provided some lift, the steep decline in business investment—down nearly 8%—and weaker exports reveal structural weaknesses in Canada’s economic model.

A Warning for the Future

These numbers tell a grim story: Canada’s economic growth, when adjusted for its population explosion, is failing to provide real benefits to its citizens. GDP per capita declines, stagnant productivity, and plummeting business investment highlight the challenges ahead. Without dramatic improvements in productivity, competitiveness, and fiscal policy, Canada’s long-term economic prospects remain precarious.

Trudeau’s Population Bomb

In 2023, Canada’s population grew by a jaw-dropping 3.2%, adding over 1.27 million people—the size of Calgary—in just one year. Trudeau’s open-door immigration policy is out of control. But here’s the kicker: the economy isn’t keeping up. GDP growth is crawling at 0.3%, while GDP per capita—the number that actually reflects living standards—has fallen 2.5% below pre-pandemic levels.

What does this mean? Trudeau is creating a country where there are more people, but less wealth to go around. He’s importing voters for his political base while ignoring the basic economics of supply and demand. More people mean more pressure on housing, healthcare, and infrastructure—all of which are already in crisis. Trudeau gets the photo ops, and Canadians get poorer.

Productivity? What’s That?

Here’s the real scandal: Canada’s productivity is collapsing, and Trudeau couldn’t care less. Business investment in machinery and equipment—a cornerstone of economic growth—dropped 7.8% in Q3 2024. That’s not a blip. It’s part of a long-term trend.

Under Trudeau, Canada has become hostile to business. With punishing taxes, endless red tape, and policies designed to appease radical activists, companies have stopped investing. They’re pulling back because they see no future in a country run by a trust-fund prime minister who treats the economy like his personal virtue-signaling playground.

Exports Collapse, Government Spending Soars

Exports fell 0.3% this quarter, after a 1.4% drop the quarter before. That’s Canada losing its competitive edge, plain and simple. While Trudeau waxes poetic about "green transitions," other countries are eating Canada’s lunch.

Meanwhile, Trudeau’s solution to every problem is predictable: throw money at it. Government spending rose 1.1% in Q3 2024, marking the third consecutive quarterly increase. But this isn’t investment—it’s waste. It’s billions spent on flashy programs that do nothing to address Canada’s fundamental economic problems.

The OECD Warning Trudeau Ignores

Here’s a fact Trudeau won’t tweet about: The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) projects that Canada will have the lowest GDP per capita growth of all member countries through 2060. That’s Trudeau’s legacy: turning Canada into the slowest-growing economy in the developed world.

This isn’t just incompetence—it’s deliberate. Trudeau’s agenda isn’t about making Canada prosperous; it’s about centralizing power. His policies crush the middle class, drive businesses out, and create dependence on government handouts.

The Final Verdict

Justin Trudeau has managed to take one of the most resource-rich, opportunity-filled countries in the world and drive it into economic stagnation. He’s turned Canada into a welfare state for the many and a playground for the elite. GDP per capita is falling, productivity is collapsing, and the future looks bleak for ordinary Canadians.

Let’s be clear: Trudeau doesn’t care. As long as he’s jet-setting to global conferences, virtue-signaling about climate justice, and securing his legacy as the darling of the global elite, the suffering of everyday Canadians is irrelevant to him.

Canada deserves better. It deserves leadership that values hard work, economic freedom, and the dignity of a prosperous nation. And until Trudeau is gone, don’t expect any of that.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sunday @ 12:01 PM ET
"Absolutely scathing indictment. … BUT ALL TRUE"

“Trudeau has managed to take one of the most resource-rich, opportunity-filled countries in the world and drive it into economic stagnation. He’s turned Canada into a welfare state for the many and a playground for the elite.”
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sunday @ 12:09 PM ET
“Canada now has higher property and violent crime rates than the US, and it’s rising” tnc.news/2024/11/28/can
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Sunday @ 8:17 PM ET
Absolutely scathing indictment. … BUT ALL TRUE

“Trudeau has managed to take one of the most resource-rich, opportunity-filled countries in the world and drive it into economic stagnation. He’s turned Canada into a welfare state for the many and a playground for the elite.”

- Pacificgem


Agree with this. Conservative minority will stop the bleeding, and still keep the honest. I'm not sure I can support that party.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Monday @ 8:15 AM ET
Agree with this. Conservative minority will stop the bleeding, and still keep the honest. I'm not sure I can support that party.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think PP is going to get a massive majority, kinda like Mulroney when Canadians got sick and tired of Trudeau senior.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Monday @ 10:31 AM ET
I think PP is going to get a massive majority, kinda like Mulroney when Canadians got sick and tired of Trudeau senior.
- Pacificgem


The only good thing about that is that it will send a clear message to the Liberals. The only way I can see them ever being relevant again is for Trudeau to step down (unlikely), and rebuild. The Canadian Future Party is an interesting alternative.

Bottom line is Justin/Jagmeet need to go.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Monday @ 9:16 PM ET
Communist Canada.

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Monday @ 9:19 PM ET
I'm not a fan of this particular canadian columnist but this opinion piece is so spot on. Calling out the MAGA twits had infest our country. Love it!

https://www.aljazeera.com...list-on-populist-violence
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Monday @ 9:24 PM ET
“Canada now has higher property and violent crime rates than the US, and it’s rising” tnc.news/2024/11/28/can
- Pacificgem


What is the homicide-specific rate of the two countries (per 100,000 people)?
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Yesterday @ 12:56 AM ET
Communist Canada.


- Pacificgem



I have a few questions let’s see if you answer truthfully or just stick to this communist bullpoop.

Do you believe in history?
Do you believe in science?
Do you believe about studying either subject?
Do you believe that society should learn from mistakes and successes from science and history?
Do you believe that governments should be able to push through any projects they want regardless of historical or scientific data that would delay the specific project?
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 9:19 AM ET
What is the homicide-specific rate of the two countries (per 100,000 people)?
- bloatedmosquito

Apples and oranges...they aren't really comparable due to population differences in metro areas, where most crimes are committed. When you consider almost 70% of homicides are committed in metro areas with a population of 100,000 plus people, Canada has 42 of them, the United States has 358 of them.

If you take the 42 Canadian metro areas of 100K+ people and cross reference them with US cities with similar populations, the rates are almost identical.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 9:21 AM ET
I have a few questions let’s see if you answer truthfully or just stick to this communist bullpoop.

Do you believe in history?
Do you believe in science?
Do you believe about studying either subject?
Do you believe that society should learn from mistakes and successes from science and history?
Do you believe that governments should be able to push through any projects they want regardless of historical or scientific data that would delay the specific project?

- Makita

I don't answer questions without context and I will continue to harp on the current federal Liberals incompetence until they are removed from office.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Yesterday @ 9:44 AM ET
Apples and oranges...they aren't really comparable due to population differences in metro areas, where most crimes are committed. When you consider almost 70% of homicides are committed in metro areas with a population of 100,000 plus people, Canada has 42 of them, the United States has 358 of them.

If you take the 42 Canadian metro areas of 100K+ people and cross reference them with US cities with similar populations, the rates are almost identical.

- Pacificgem


You go girl!
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 9:48 AM ET
The 51st State, man I love the sound of that!!! Sadly Canada would die a quick death though as 80 of their population would move south of the current border within five years.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 10:26 AM ET
BREAKING NEWS!

US Government Finds Canada's Trudeau Government Used "Assault-Style Weapons" Against Canadians

The findings of the U.S. Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic released December 2nd, 2024, determined that Canadian government forces deployed automatic weapons on peaceful protesters in downtown Ottawa from February 14th to February 20th, 2022, demand immediate legal accountability.

The actions of law enforcement in Ottawa during this period could be formally charged under the Criminal Code of Canada as follows:

Alleged Offences

Section 88(1): Possession of Weapons for a Dangerous Purpose to the Public Peace
By deploying automatic weapons in a manner that endangered public peace, hundreds of unidentified officers, whose whereabouts and nationalities remain unknown, are alleged to have violated this statute.

Section 430(1)(c): Mischief Over $5,000
The use of these weapons and the associated actions caused significant property damage to vehicles and economic disruption in downtown Ottawa. This deliberate mischief far exceeded the monetary threshold outlined in this section.

Section 82(1): Possession of Explosives
Reports suggest that the police may have utilized or had access to explosives or devices intended to intimidate and control the peaceful protestors, constituting a breach of this section.

Jurisdiction and Accountability

Given the egregious nature of these actions, I suggest that the accused individuals should be tried with appropriate sentencing—potentially aligning with the precedent of 6.5 years for comparable offences in Alberta—would ensure accountability and reinforce public confidence in the justice system.

The deployment of automatic weapons against unarmed citizens and the involvement of unknown officers during these events have shaken the public’s trust. Investigating fully and ensuring justice is served, regardless of who holds power is essential.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 10:32 AM ET
Communism…they want control of everything. 🇨🇦


“Jaw dropping.

As two-million Canadians visit foodbanks, Rogers is increasing its prices on fixed-rate contracts through hidden fees.

Unbelievable. Liberal approval of the Rogers-Shaw merger allowed this to happen.

Liberal action is killing competition.”
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Yesterday @ 10:49 AM ET
The 51st State, man I love the sound of that!!! Sadly Canada would die a quick death though as 80 of their population would move south of the current border within five years.
- Pacificgem

Fuck off, Lefty.
Why does the right always sound like a petulant, spoiled child crying and gnashing their teeth because they don't get everything they want all of the time.
Maybe take out your frustrations on your Conrad Black sex doll.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson, TX
Joined: 07.01.2007

Yesterday @ 11:00 AM ET
Fuck off, Lefty.
Why does the right always sound like a petulant, spoiled child crying and gnashing their teeth because they don't get everything they want all of the time.
Maybe take out your frustrations on your Conrad Black sex doll.

- Danny Bomber



Because I get responses just like this one. This thread is purely for me to grind the gears of you socialist Canadians, and it works most of the time.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Yesterday @ 12:52 PM ET
You go girl!
- bloatedmosquito

So I think it’s time you start up a new thread, this particular one has become so toxic with this BULLpoop that I will be locking it down.

You may have started this thread but my belief was that it was created for posters of many political views to express their opinions on several different political topics. A chance to express and explain their opinions and interpretations with the expectations of having a debate and possibly hearing a different opinion, food for thought type discussions.

This thread has turned into Lefty’s personal hate of Canada thread, with absolutely no discussion or debate, and if there is a reply it’s dismissive followed by by oh look another I hate Canada post.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Yesterday @ 12:56 PM ET
Good start. But I don't get the hate specifically. I think he's a poor leader of the most powerful nation in the world but I don't hate him. I think he's done a great job at exposing the ugly underside of American culture and current attitudes.

The world needed to see what was behind the curtain of pompous superiority.

- bloatedmosquito



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