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NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 7 @ 3:22 AM ET
Except it doesn't. Hot tip, maybe look into this a little.

It means record profits.

- golfingsince


What do you mean? Corporations always pass along their savings to the customer. Just look at everything that's happened since Covid!
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jan 7 @ 8:47 AM ET
Holy (frank), it was about time that Trudeau resigned, sure didn't like his arrogance during his resignation speech.[
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 7 @ 10:43 AM ET
What do you mean? Corporations always pass along their savings to the customer. Just look at everything that's happened since Covid!
- NewYorkNuck


The crazy thing is that the retailers would still save on wages, employee theft, training etc.

I can't believe anyone aside from a greedy corporate shill would think it's a bad idea.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 11:35 AM ET
Holy (frank), it was about time that Trudeau resigned, sure didn't like his arrogance during his resignation speech.
- Reubenkincade

Except he didn't actually resign, yet, he just promised to following a leadership race for the Liberals. He's essentially holding the Canadian public hostage until March 24th. He froze parliament so no one can come after him with a non-confidence vote, look into his 2.5 billion dollar slush fund theft, or pass any laws, he's a fuckin criminal coward right to the end.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 11:49 AM ET
The crazy thing is that the retailers would still save on wages, employee theft, training etc.

I can't believe anyone aside from a greedy corporate shill would think it's a bad idea.

- golfingsince

Canada is an oligarchy, until they truly open it up you will not see prices for things come down. Just look at the grocery market, Loblaw, Sobey's, Costco, Walmart and Metro control 75% of the food sales in Canada.

Look at the telecom industry in Canada, access to the Internet, Telephones, Television, and Cellphones are controlled by basically 3 companies, all of which have an F rating with the Better Business Bureau.

If they'd let AT&T or T-Mobile come into Canada and compete with Telus, Shaw and Rogers you'd see them go under. We pay $70 a month, including taxes , for two cell phones with unlimited data, unlimited calling and texting anywhere in USA, Canada & Mexico.

TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Jan 7 @ 12:02 PM ET
The crazy thing is that the retailers would still save on wages, employee theft, training etc.

I can't believe anyone aside from a greedy corporate shill would think it's a bad idea.

- golfingsince


And I can’t believe that anyone believes that public enterprise or heavily regulated enterprise is more efficient than private enterprise. Do some people get wealthy? Yes. But there is far less waste. That’s capitalism.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 7 @ 1:08 PM ET
Except he didn't actually resign, yet, he just promised to following a leadership race for the Liberals. He's essentially holding the Canadian public hostage until March 24th. He froze parliament so no one can come after him with a non-confidence vote, look into his 2.5 billion dollar slush fund theft, or pass any laws, he's a fuckin criminal coward right to the end.
- Pacificgem


Thats BS.
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Jan 7 @ 1:09 PM ET
Actually no, there will most likely be a non confidence vote on Jan 27th.
- VanHockeyGuy

Not with Parliament prorogued.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 7 @ 1:14 PM ET
Not with Parliament prorogued.
- Danny Bomber


JT gets a nice 3 month vacation heading into retirement.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jan 7 @ 1:19 PM ET
And I can’t believe that anyone believes that public enterprise or heavily regulated enterprise is more efficient than private enterprise. Do some people get wealthy? Yes. But there is far less waste. That’s capitalism.
- TurdFergeson


Paying your share of taxes is not being heavily regulated. Again, you want to lower taxes for Canadians yet you let the billionaires get away without paying their share.

I have news for you, somebody has to pay taxes.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Jan 7 @ 1:24 PM ET
Paying your share of taxes is not being heavily regulated. Again, you want to lower taxes for Canadians yet you let the billionaires get away without paying their share.

I have news for you, somebody has to pay taxes.

- golfingsince


Taxing the rich has been tried over and over and over again all over the world as a method to create a more fair and equitable society. It always fails. Wealth creates jobs. Take away the wealth and less jobs get created. People whining about billionaires is hilarious to me. Go work hard and build a business for yourself. Quit whining about what others have and you don’t.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 3:14 PM ET
Taxing the rich has been tried over and over and over again all over the world as a method to create a more fair and equitable society. It always fails. Wealth creates jobs. Take away the wealth and less jobs get created. People whining about billionaires is hilarious to me. Go work hard and build a business for yourself. Quit whining about what others have and you don’t.
- TurdFergeson

The opinion that the 57 billionaires in Canada should somehow prop up the rest of the 41 million Canadians is complete nonsense. Higher-income families pay the majority of taxes in Canada and are the only ones who pay disproportionately more compared to their share of income. The top 20% of earners in Canada pay approximately 60% of the taxes.

The vast majority of personal wealth in Canada is held by homeowners, in a false real estate market. "Homeowners accounted for 91.0% of all wealth in the first quarter of 2024"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/b...air-share-taxes-1.7179031
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jan 7 @ 3:16 PM ET
Another article on what Leffty considers a good Healthcare system

https://www.sandiegounion...s-about-workers-patients/
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 3:27 PM ET
Another article on what Leffty considers a good Healthcare system

https://www.sandiegounion...s-about-workers-patients/

- Reubenkincade

How many times do you have to be told the United States DOES NOT have a healthcare system, it has a a for-profit healthcare business. You keep comparing it to a socialist government healthcare system in Canada, which is crumbling to the ground. They are not the same thing, it's a capitalistic business for people with money.

We get excellent and immediate care in the US because we have money. Having money in Canada is meaningless because you get the same treatment as someone who lives on the streets. In fact, they'll probably get better care.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 4:26 PM ET
Boy, Trump is really making a hard play for Canada and Greenland to form a major superpower nation.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 7 @ 4:34 PM ET
Taxing the rich has been tried over and over and over again all over the world as a method to create a more fair and equitable society. It always fails. Wealth creates jobs. Take away the wealth and less jobs get created. People whining about billionaires is hilarious to me. Go work hard and build a business for yourself. Quit whining about what others have and you don’t.
- TurdFergeson


Trickle down economics is the best!
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 7 @ 4:35 PM ET
Boy, Trump is really making a hard play for Canada and Greenland to form a major superpower nation.
- Pacificgem


From the BBC


Asked on Tuesday if he would rule out using military or economic force in order to take over the Danish territory or the Panama Canal, he responded: "I'm not going to commit to that."

"We need Greenland for national security purposes," he told reporters during a sprawling news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. "It might be that you'll have to do something. Look, the Panama Canal is vital to our country," he added.

Trump also vowed to use "economic force" against Canada and called the US-Canada border an "artificially drawn line".

...

During the news conference Trump called the US-Canada border an "artificially drawn line" and said the US spends billions of dollars protecting Canada, and criticised imports of Canadian cars, lumber and dairy products.

"They should be a state," he told reporters.


This guy is such a moron
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 5:03 PM ET
From the BBC



This guy is such a moron

- NewYorkNuck

You sound like the far left who kept telling themselves, and anyone who would listen, that he has no chance of winning the Presidential election. And then he did, with a majority of the vote. He's obviously posturing, but don't kid yourself, he knows what he's doing this time around.

Canadians are saying "we're a sovereign nation", meanwhile a British Crown representative just should down parliament leaving the country locked in a standstill while the Canadian people have no say.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Jan 7 @ 5:09 PM ET
You sound like the far left who kept telling themselves, and anyone who would listen, that he has no chance of winning the Presidential election. And then he did. He's obviously posturing, but don't kid yourself, he knows what he's doing this time around.

Canadians are saying "we're a sovereign nation", meanwhile a British Crown representative just should down parliament leaving the country locked in a standstill while the Canadian people have no say.

- Pacificgem


Republicans won in spite of trump. Not because of him. He is still what he was the first term. A blow hard. 4 more years of chaos.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 5:11 PM ET
Republicans won in spite of trump. Not because of him. He is still what he was the first term. A blow hard. 4 more years of chaos.
- TurdFergeson

Yes, they held their noses and voted for him because his version of America was more in-tune with Americans than with what the crooked elitist Democrats were trying to sell. He's smarter this time around, he knows more of what he should know to run a country and with foreign policy, he's more dangerous now.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 5:27 PM ET
Love this guy, whoever he is.


“I'm a lawyer, professionally speaking, so, if I'm being humble, I'm not well-placed to publicly comment on Canada being somehow subsumed by America in any capacity outside of the law.
But, on the issue of law, joining the US would be a net benefit from the perspective of individual rights and the rule of law. I'll provide two obvious examples.
One, the US Constitution is the best is the world and far superior to our weak, broken and near-useless Charter. Canadians, by becoming Americans, would immediately have free speech, freedom of religion, and property rights protected in a way heretofore only dreamed of in Canada.
Two, it has gotten to the point in Canada now where 95% of all the judges hold to a "woke", strongly left-wing perspective in which big government action is fundamentally good and individual rights are essentially a nuisance to be, at best, occasionally tolerated. This is bad for 2 reasons.
First, the pervasiveness of this perspective means a continual loss of freedom and it enables the administrative state to continually grow in size, power, and corruption. Two, such a disparity obviously creates a judicial echo chamber such that this majority of woke judges are not held in check or accountable to the people by their ideological counterparts.
But, in the US, there is a much better balance between big-government "liberal" judges and pro-freedom "conservative" judges. This is obviously good for better protecting individual rights and freedom in the long run, but the balance also results in better judicial decision-making and no one group of judges ever being able to ignore the critiques and differing perspectives of the others. This is yet another of the many checks and balances in the American system that contribute to its successful persistence.
From a legal perspective, as a lawyer, and as a father seeking to preserve the rights and freedoms of my children and their children, I would gladly see Canada join America, which for all its many and real faults, is the most free nation in the world.”
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 7 @ 5:28 PM ET
You sound like the far left who kept telling themselves, and anyone who would listen, that he has no chance of winning the Presidential election. And then he did, with a majority of the vote. He's obviously posturing, but don't kid yourself, he knows what he's doing this time around.

Canadians are saying "we're a sovereign nation", meanwhile a British Crown representative just should down parliament leaving the country locked in a standstill while the Canadian people have no say.

- Pacificgem


Clearly

NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 7 @ 5:29 PM ET
You sound like the far left who kept telling themselves, and anyone who would listen, that he has no chance of winning the Presidential election. And then he did, with a majority of the vote. He's obviously posturing, but don't kid yourself, he knows what he's doing this time around.

Canadians are saying "we're a sovereign nation", meanwhile a British Crown representative just should down parliament leaving the country locked in a standstill while the Canadian people have no say.

- Pacificgem


Huh? He had a very real chance of winning, especially with how the Democrats/Biden/Harris trotted things out... and lo and behold he won.

That doesn't take away from the fact he's a moron. He postures all the time – just like him saying he was going to bring down grocery prices before the election and now he's saying oh no it's really hard to do that. Or that healthcare was going to be easy to solve. Or the war in Ukraine. Or or or.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 7 @ 5:31 PM ET
Clearly


- bloatedmosquito


Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 7 @ 5:38 PM ET
Clearly

- bloatedmosquito

Keep laughing, you won't know what hit you because you're so enthralled with meaningless stuff. Picking one bad person doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing. If that were the case no politician on earth would know what they're doing because none of them are without miss cues.
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