If you buyout OEL, move Boeser and trade Chaos Giraffe after he gets his bonus that is an instant 20 mil in cap space, and you crap D will definitely be different next year. It gives you a lot of flexibility to make deals.

Get rid of Stillman Burroughs Schenn Dermott and you pretty well have a new look D. I think the forwards can score goals I just don't think the D can stop goals.

I agree with Mini. Take the cap flexibility and don't twiddle your thumbs for two years.
- VANTEL

Would you trade demko? Those hips have given him problems over the years.

2017-18. $2,611,111
2018-19 $3,611,111
2019-20 $3,611,111 +$1,483,333=5,094,444
2020-21 $1,111,111 +$6,083,333=7,194,444
2021-22 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444
2022-23 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444

That's what the Rangers have been paying. How are they doing it? 2 years less than if you buyout OEL this year but more in every year.
- manvanfan

Goaltending and prospects. Plus they homered on the Trouba trade.

The Process though. Canucks have possible top 10 and top 15 picks coming in this draft. If they are bad again next season. Another top pick. Rangers have been pretty poor at drafting even though they have been drafting high.

It's the trading for Ryan Lindgren, College free agent signing of Neil Pionk, trading for Adam Fox and signing of the Bread man that is what is helping that team to victory these days. Not really the 1st and 2nd overall 3rd liners.

Starting with different pieces. Van has Hughes, they had to use 2-2nds for Fox. Maybe Van gets top line players out of their high draft picks not 3rd liners.
- manvanfan

So we are bad this year, and as you say if they are bad next year, why rush a buyout? And all those top pick on the Rangers and developing into a great 3rd line at the moment, supporting those top tier players they traded for.
Is this not the proper model that most want? Let your prospects overripen and develop into a team that grows from the bottom up. Not every player jumps right in and goes full superstar. Watch Kakko, Laf and Schnieder overtake the current top line players over the coming years, then you have ...wait for it...DEPTH!

Still does not solve the lack of prospects in the system. Good teams know when to go for it and when to bide their time. If they did do what you said, they would spend the money (which isn't mine so I don't really care) on win now talent. They have no sustainable pipeline to keep the team building on a proper foundation. It would be like pouring gas on a spark and hoping it burns like a proper well built fire. If they actually rebuilt the team properly, traded current assets for futures and picks, and weaponized the new cap space doing what you suggested, then maybe. But still makes more sense to wait 2 years on OEL. They suck, and the quicker they admit it the better.
- carsonagenic

If that is the case then keep the exact same team for the next two years. Boeser's contract runs out in two year. Petey and Kuzmenko also. Bottom five pick for the next three years. Boatload of cap space trade possibilities bottom five picks. Scorch Earth project.

The only flexibility is with the bottom 6 guys. That doesn't constitute much of a makeover until there's a couple of guys pushing within the prospect pool. There isn't, so it's pointless to add dead space for the next 8 years. You still have to pay to replace him after the buyout, add that salary to the cost of a buyout and it's not that much flexibility.
- Load Management

Listen to the Sausage King!

Did he say something a decade ago that you are holding over him? Until this year he had spent the last 8 working for the Leafs. Did the Leafs leak out what he has been doing there?
- manvanfan

So what has he done to make him more important than the stick boy? I'm on lunch and unfortunately have to leave this stimulating discussion for the time being. Enjoy.

2017-18. $2,611,111
2018-19 $3,611,111
2019-20 $3,611,111 +$1,483,333=5,094,444
2020-21 $1,111,111 +$6,083,333=7,194,444
2021-22 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444
2022-23 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444

That's what the Rangers have been paying. How are they doing it? 2 years less than if you buyout OEL this year but more in every year.
- manvanfan

Rangers were trying to go for it in 2017 which is why they bought him out.

We don't need to be going for it for at least anther year or two.
Wait until then and then buy out OEL, the pain will be less and having him play top minutes helps the tank.

2017-18. $2,611,111
2018-19 $3,611,111
2019-20 $3,611,111 +$1,483,333=5,094,444
2020-21 $1,111,111 +$6,083,333=7,194,444
2021-22 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444
2022-23 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444

That's what the Rangers have been paying. How are they doing it? 2 years less than if you buyout OEL this year but more in every year.
- manvanfan

Drafting and developing cheaper players perhaps?

Would you trade demko? Those hips have given him problems over the years.
- Bettmanhatesus

I am not a big fan of his nor am I rallying to trade him. I don't have a lot of thoughts on him mostly because he has been gone for a while.

Goaltending and prospects. Plus they homered on the Trouba trade.
- Load Management

Canucks might have an extra first round pick this year.

I heard Silovs is not too far away

If that is the case then keep the exact same team for the next two years. Boeser's contract runs out in two year. Petey and Kuzmenko also. Bottom five pick for the next three years. Boatload of cap space trade possibilities bottom five picks. Scorch Earth project.
- VANTEL

I am not a big fan of his nor am I rallying to trade him. I don't have a lot of thoughts on him mostly because he has been gone for a while.
- VANTEL

Tristen Jarrey is a free agent come July he’s from van.

Canucks might have an extra first round pick this year.

I heard Silovs is not too far away
- manvanfan

Well, he didn't do any worse than Martin or Delia

I am not a big fan of his nor am I rallying to trade him. I don't have a lot of thoughts on him mostly because he has been gone for a while.
- VANTEL

Foote for Rathbone? I would do it just to get a RHD for a LHD

https://www.canucksdaily....k-with-the-Canucks-209615

If that is the case then keep the exact same team for the next two years. Boeser's contract runs out in two year. Petey and Kuzmenko also. Bottom five pick for the next three years. Boatload of cap space trade possibilities bottom five picks. Scorch Earth project.
- VANTEL

This is the way. Petey IMO won't want to stick around through this poopshow. They never should have resigned Kuz to start with. He was mana from heaven to help with a rebuild as a trade chip. Instead they spend more to resign him to do what? Help them win with that D and superstar prospect pool?
If they are scorch earthing, trade and get picks / prospects for all the players mentioned plus Miller, etc.
This looks like though it will just be another middling approach, because us fans can't handle a rebuild.

Tristen Jarrey is a free agent come July he’s from van.
- Bettmanhatesus

Not a big fan of his also. I don't care where they are born but if you are going to pay him then why switch?

I think before making changes you have to know what the team is thinking. If it is to get another top five pick then go with Martin Delea and Silovs. If you are trying to compete then no.

Not a big fan of his also. I don't care where they are born but if you are going to pay him then why switch?

I think before making changes you have to know what the team is thinking. If it is to get another top five pick then go with Martin Delea and Silovs. If you are trying to compete then no.
- VANTEL

Yes 100%
The team needs to be honest with themselves and fans before anything can be fixed. We need a "We Suck and here is the plan to not suck" letter like the Rangers did. Since then, they have built a pretty nice squad.

This is the way. Petey IMO won't want to stick around through this poopshow. They never should have resigned Kuz to start with. He was mana from heaven to help with a rebuild as a trade chip. Instead they spend more to resign him to do what? Help them win with that D and superstar prospect pool?
If they are scorch earthing, trade and get picks / prospects for all the players mentioned plus Miller, etc.
This looks like though it will just be another middling approach, because us fans can't handle a rebuild.
- carsonagenic

I don't believe that one bit. There is so much garbage generated that is not true at all.

I think he really likes playing with Kuz and lets see how Beau turns out. Who knows maybe next year he will have Bedard as his winger.

This is also where we differ, I don't think they are going full rebuild. As much as fans beg for it, I don't think ownership has green stamped it.

Yes 100%
The team needs to be honest with themselves and fans before anything can be fixed. We need a "We Suck and here is the plan to not suck" letter like the Rangers did. Since then, they have built a pretty nice squad.
- carsonagenic

I am not sold on Rangers drafting. Kakko and Laff have been just okay considering where they were drafted. Kravstov no.

They benefited a few pickups by being the Big Apple. Some smart trades and some nice free agent signings are why they are competing IMO.

So we are bad this year, and as you say if they are bad next year, why rush a buyout? And all those top pick on the Rangers and developing into a great 3rd line at the moment, supporting those top tier players they traded for.
Is this not the proper model that most want? Let your prospects overripen and develop into a team that grows from the bottom up. Not every player jumps right in and goes full superstar. Watch Kakko, Laf and Schnieder overtake the current top line players over the coming years, then you have ...wait for it...DEPTH!
- carsonagenic

At that time, you are going to need to pay for them. You can't pay two sets of top line players.

You can't exactly get a RHD if you don't have cap space. It's a cap thing money in and out for so many players why an extra year or two makes no difference to me.

Keeping poop contracts like OEL's from my perspective shows other guys that they are committed to his poop contract and you are unable to sign others because no cap space.

I am not sold on Rangers drafting. Kakko and Laff have been just okay considering where they were drafted. Kravstov no.

They benefited a few pickups by being the Big Apple. Some smart trades and some nice free agent signings are why they are competing IMO.
- VANTEL

That helped them so much more. They acquired than used A LOT of draft capital though. Great asset management.

I am not sold on Rangers drafting. Kakko and Laff have been just okay considering where they were drafted. Kravstov no.

They benefited a few pickups by being the Big Apple. Some smart trades and some nice free agent signings are why they are competing IMO.
- VANTEL

Kakko and Laff were consensus where they were taking. But they moved up for Lias Anderson as well. They have a good team, but they have had quite a few whifs.

I don't believe that one bit. There is so much garbage generated that is not true at all.

I think he really likes playing with Kuz and lets see how Beau turns out. Who knows maybe next year he will have Bedard as his winger.

This is also where we differ, I don't think they are going full rebuild. As much as fans beg for it, I don't think ownership has green stamped it.
- VANTEL

I don't differ with you on the rebuild idea. They are not going to do it, imo. They should, but won't.
I'm not basing my Petey wanting to leave on any garbage out there, just my opinion that he doesn't need the drama of this dysfunctional organization. He is young, rich, and wants to win, and it isn't happening here anytime soon. And once again Bedard doesn't add any depth to the D or to the overall squad except as 1 player, all be it great prospect. If you think that is all it takes, then the Coilers should have won't multiple times with McD alone. And that is my fear that they do win the lottery and pick Bedard and think we are good to go. Once again look at the Rangers with Laf. 3 years in and just figuring it out on the 3rd line on a good team.

At that time, you are going to need to pay for them. You can't pay two sets of top line players.

You can't exactly get a RHD if you don't have cap space. It's a cap thing money in and out for so many players why an extra year or two makes no difference to me.

Keeping poop contracts like OEL's from my perspective shows other guys that they are committed to his poop contract and you are unable to sign others because no cap space.
- manvanfan

That's when you turn some of them into new prospects and players. This is how you keep building and it going.
OEL is just poop and poop is sticky. This is sticking for awhile yet, either in OEL himself or dead cap space.

Would you trade demko? Those hips have given him problems over the years.
- Bettmanhatesus

I’d dump him for a 2nd. Terrible contract