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- VanHockeyGuy

Tons of good Dmen to pick in 2nd round.

I guess I look at where the Rangers are now and wonder why they did it with Girardi and then a year later with Shattenkirk.

They didn't have any of their D core when he was bought out.
- manvanfan

Look at their roster in 2019. They had a lot of their core.

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/roster/2019
Positive Assets Forward

Buchnevich ( that they wasted in a one sided deal to STL)
Chytil
Kakko (Just drafted 2 OA)
Krieder
Panarin
Strome
Zibanejad

Prositive Assests Defense

Deangelo(Wasted asset)
Fox
Trouba
Skjei

Prositive Assets Goalie

Lundqvist
Shesterkin
Georgiev

Plus they had K'Andre Miller and Kravtsov on the farm and were about to draft Scheinder and Lafereniere. I didnt even go deep into their farm, just the obvious players.
They were in a perfect position to buyout those players at that point to move forward because they already had the assets to move forward with. Huge difference between where the Canucks are now and the Rangers in 2019

Even if they got Bedard or Fantilli, this team is going nowhere with the defense it has, lack of prospect depth, and no cap flexibility, period.
Drop Bedard into this mess, and it still has OEL, Myers, Bear, and a cast of misfits toys playing D. And with no prospects on D or F for that matter, pushing in Abby. If you buy OEL out, then you have no cap flexibility going forward. That would be making the mess even worse. That OEL deal was the ultimate in either
1) JB worst GM ever up there with Milbury
or
2) The best "fvck you eat this poop sandwich" on the way out the door deal ever.

Really the best solution is a proper scorched earth rebuild and try again. This team is "Proper Fvcked" and it will take multiple years and blonde Surrey girls to unscrew it.
- carsonagenic

- LordHumungous

Ze Germans...

Look at their roster in 2019. They had a lot of their core.

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/roster/2019
Positive Assets Forward

Buchnevich ( that they wasted in a one sided deal to STL)
Chytil
Kakko (Just drafted 2 OA)
Krieder
Panarin
Strome
Zibanejad

Prositive Assests Defense

Deangelo(Wasted asset)
Fox
Trouba
Skjei

Prositive Assets Goalie

Lundqvist
Shesterkin
Georgiev

Plus they had K'Andre Miller and Kravtsov on the farm and were about to draft Scheinder and Lafereniere. I didnt even go deep into their farm, just the obvious players.
They were in a perfect position to buyout those players at that point to move forward because they already had the assets to move forward with. Huge difference between where the Canucks are now and the Rangers in 2019
- carsonagenic

BUYOUT HISTORY
Dan Girardi
DATE: Jun. 15, 2017





I guess if we can fortune tell what the Canucks are going to have in the next few years. It might look similar.

BUYOUT HISTORY
Dan Girardi
DATE: Jun. 15, 2017




- manvanfan

Shattenkirk buyout 2019
Oh ya and there was the "We are tanking letter" to the fans as well.
We wont have what the Rangers had, that I can guarantee

If you buyout OEL, move Boeser and trade Chaos Giraffe after he gets his bonus that is an instant 20 mil in cap space, and you crap D will definitely be different next year. It gives you a lot of flexibility to make deals.

Get rid of Stillman Burroughs Schenn Dermott and you pretty well have a new look D. I think the forwards can score goals I just don't think the D can stop goals.

I agree with Mini. Take the cap flexibility and don't twiddle your thumbs for two years.

BUYOUT HISTORY
Dan Girardi
DATE: Jun. 15, 2017





I guess if we can fortune tell what the Canucks are going to have in the next few years. It might look similar.
- manvanfan

I'm sorry, did you quote Sham Charron earlier? I'm not gonna backread, just wondering for future reference.

FYI

https://mobile.twitter.co...cmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

Shattenkirk buyout 2019
Oh ya and there was the "We are tanking letter" to the fans as well.
We wont have what the Rangers had, that I can guarantee
- carsonagenic

The Process though. Canucks have possible top 10 and top 15 picks coming in this draft. If they are bad again next season. Another top pick. Rangers have been pretty poor at drafting even though they have been drafting high.

It's the trading for Ryan Lindgren, College free agent signing of Neil Pionk, trading for Adam Fox and signing of the Bread man that is what is helping that team to victory these days. Not really the 1st and 2nd overall 3rd liners.

Starting with different pieces. Van has Hughes, they had to use 2-2nds for Fox. Maybe Van gets top line players out of their high draft picks not 3rd liners.

Ze Germans...
- carsonagenic

If you buyout OEL, move Boeser and trade Chaos Giraffe after he gets his bonus that is an instant 20 mil in cap space, and you crap D will definitely be different next year. It gives you a lot of flexibility to make deals.

Get rid of Stillman Burroughs Schenn Dermott and you pretty well have a new look D. I think the forwards can score goals I just don't think the D can stop goals.

I agree with Mini. Take the cap flexibility and don't twiddle your thumbs for two years.
- VANTEL

This is my (frank)en island, stay the (frank) off.

If you buyout OEL, move Boeser and trade Chaos Giraffe after he gets his bonus that is an instant 20 mil in cap space, and you crap D will definitely be different next year. It gives you a lot of flexibility to make deals.

Get rid of Stillman Burroughs Schenn Dermott and you pretty well have a new look D. I think the forwards can score goals I just don't think the D can stop goals.

I agree with Mini. Take the cap flexibility and don't twiddle your thumbs for two years.
- VANTEL

The only flexibility is with the bottom 6 guys. That doesn't constitute much of a makeover until there's a couple of guys pushing within the prospect pool. There isn't, so it's pointless to add dead space for the next 8 years. You still have to pay to replace him after the buyout, add that salary to the cost of a buyout and it's not that much flexibility.

If you buyout OEL, move Boeser and trade Chaos Giraffe after he gets his bonus that is an instant 20 mil in cap space, and you crap D will definitely be different next year. It gives you a lot of flexibility to make deals.

Get rid of Stillman Burroughs Schenn Dermott and you pretty well have a new look D. I think the forwards can score goals I just don't think the D can stop goals.

I agree with Mini. Take the cap flexibility and don't twiddle your thumbs for two years.
- VANTEL

One good look at WPG is how quickly the D can be turned over if done right. They literally were down to Pionk and Morrisey and AHL strands at one time. Now look at em.

The only flexibility is with the bottom 6 guys. That doesn't constitute much of a makeover until there's a couple of guys pushing within the prospect pool. There isn't, so it's pointless to add dead space for the next 8 years. You still have to pay to replace him after the buyout, add that salary to the cost of a buyout and it's not that much flexibility.
- Load Management

You want the team to be bad but you somehow have to "replace" him? Rathbone is signed. There ya go. Replaced.

The Process though. Canucks have possible top 10 and top 15 picks coming in this draft. If they are bad again next season. Another top pick. Rangers have been pretty poor at drafting even though they have been drafting high.

It's the trading for Ryan Lindgren, College free agent signing of Neil Pionk, trading for Adam Fox and signing of the Bread man that is what is helping that team to victory these days. Not really the 1st and 2nd overall 3rd liners.

Starting with different pieces. Van has Hughes, they had to use 2-2nds for Fox. Maybe Van gets top line players out of their high draft picks not 3rd liners.
- manvanfan

Are there any KHL free agent Dmen you know of? We all know Tryamkin. I am thinking now with Podz Kuz Mik in the lineup, this is an attractive landing spot for Russians.

I'm sorry, did you quote Sham Charron earlier? I'm not gonna backread, just wondering for future reference.
- Load Management

I was told the other day I was supposed to listen to NHL coaches but now you saying I should ignore other NHL personnel?

One good look at WPG is how quickly the D can be turned over if done right. They literally were down to Pionk and Morrisey and AHL strands at one time. Now look at em.
- LordHumungous

Yup. If you get a chance to change for the positive, you take it and run.

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If you buyout OEL, move Boeser and trade Chaos Giraffe after he gets his bonus that is an instant 20 mil in cap space, and you crap D will definitely be different next year. It gives you a lot of flexibility to make deals.

Get rid of Stillman Burroughs Schenn Dermott and you pretty well have a new look D. I think the forwards can score goals I just don't think the D can stop goals.

I agree with Mini. Take the cap flexibility and don't twiddle your thumbs for two years.
- VANTEL

Still does not solve the lack of prospects in the system. Good teams know when to go for it and when to bide their time. If they did do what you said, they would spend the money (which isn't mine so I don't really care) on win now talent. They have no sustainable pipeline to keep the team building on a proper foundation. It would be like pouring gas on a spark and hoping it burns like a proper well built fire. If they actually rebuilt the team properly, traded current assets for futures and picks, and weaponized the new cap space doing what you suggested, then maybe. But still makes more sense to wait 2 years on OEL. They suck, and the quicker they admit it the better.

Are there any KHL free agent Dmen you know of? We all know Tryamkin. I am thinking now with Podz Kuz Mik in the lineup, this is an attractive landing spot for Russians.
- VANTEL

Only Joey Keane but he is property of Carolina till 27 now somehow. 24 to start next season. 6' RHD plays top pair minutes for Spartak Moscow. Was in Carolina and played top pair for their AHL team but they let him go to the KHL. IDK why.

Filip Johansson coming over so they say. He's one of the top defenders in the SHL. Most say will need time in the AHL though.

You want the team to be bad but you somehow have to "replace" him? Rathbone is signed. There ya go. Replaced.
- manvanfan

Where did I say I want them to be a bad team? Like it or not top 4 minutes need to be accounted for one way or another. Dead space adds to that expense. Pretty fucking simple really.

Where did I say I want them to be a bad team? Like it or not top 4 minutes need to be accounted for one way or another. Dead space adds to that expense. Pretty fucking simple really.
- Load Management

2017-18. $2,611,111
2018-19 $3,611,111
2019-20 $3,611,111 +$1,483,333=5,094,444
2020-21 $1,111,111 +$6,083,333=7,194,444
2021-22 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444
2022-23 $1,111,111 +$1,433,333=2,544,444

That's what the Rangers have been paying. How are they doing it? 2 years less than if you buyout OEL this year but more in every year.

I was told the other day I was supposed to listen to NHL coaches but now you saying I should ignore other NHL personnel?
- manvanfan

He doesn't exactly have the best track record. But hey, follow the stick boy if you want. He's also NHL personnel.

He doesn't exactly have the best track record. But hey, follow the stick boy if you want. He's also NHL personnel.
- Load Management

Did he say something a decade ago that you are holding over him? Until this year he had spent the last 8 working for the Leafs. Did the Leafs leak out what he has been doing there?