I hear and understand why anyone would want to trade Ivan Provorov. Regardless of feelings towards him, we’ve seen his high’s and low’s and Chuck had done him no favors in terms of getting him a partner. I think I’d be more comfortable moving Provy if we maybe drafted David Jiricek but instead Chuck made the worst kind of move by drafting Cutter Gauthier.
- SuperSchennBros

Eh, left side is better for the Flyers than forward talent depth, I don't think Cutter was a bad pick, we shall see. Provy or Sanheim have to go, right now, I think Provy gets you more, due to contract.

Great that you live in Buffalo but what is missing here? Has the Sabres organization come out and said that they would trade their first round pick or other top assets for Carter Hart to be a stop gap? Then, you might have a point.

I would like to tell you what's not credible and respond to the other hyperbole in your post but I must refrain.
- MJL

Well to be precise adams said they will look into all avenues to deal with goalie situation.
What does that mean?
Surely it would mean trading a first round pick

He stated that levy would NOT be blocked

He stated he had hoped UPL/comrie would hold up until levy arrived. With help of Anderson as vet

He stated clearly that’s been an issue that all can see

Then went on to praise UPL/comrie on effort as gm talk woyld do.

So credible? I’d say so. Again he took flack for not making moves at deadline to push for playoffs and stated they were not there yet and wasn’t gonna move young talent for deadline fix.

They’ve done EXACTLY what they said they were gonna do.

That’s why they are credible.

Clearly he’s saying stopgap goalie is coming. It’s either by fa or trade.

It makes much more sense by trade especially at draft because that’s when teams have most flexibility.

Is it hart? Idk but I wouldn’t doubt it that he’s a major target. His current deal (2years left) fits and I find it very convenient that talk radio here keeps mentioning goalie and hart in specific.

And when it’s coming from biron isn’t that tea leaves?
They are or were best friends when in buffalo

Well to be precise adams said they will look into all avenues to deal with goalie situation.
What does that mean?
Surely it would mean trading a first round pick

He stated that levy would NOT be blocked

He stated he had hoped UPL/comrie would hold up until levy arrived. With help of Anderson as vet

He stated clearly that’s been an issue that all can see

Then went on to praise UPL/comrie on effort as gm talk woyld do.

So credible? I’d say so. Again he took flack for not making moves at deadline to push for playoffs and stated they were not there yet and wasn’t gonna move young talent for deadline fix.

They’ve done EXACTLY what they said they were gonna do.

That’s why they are credible.

Clearly he’s saying stopgap goalie is coming. It’s either by fa or trade.

It makes much more sense by trade especially at draft because that’s when teams have most flexibility.

Is it hart? Idk but I wouldn’t doubt it that he’s a major target. His current deal (2years left) fits and I find it very convenient that talk radio here keeps mentioning goalie and hart in specific.

And when it’s coming from biron isn’t that tea leaves?
They are or were best friends when in buffalo
- SMS4016

Clearly if all of that is accurate what he has not said is that he would be willing to trade a 1st round pick or other high assets for two years of Carter Hart.

I understand the difference between saying they're looking for a stop gap and don't want to block Levy AND their willing to trade their 1st round for two years of a player like Hart.

I'll reiterate that I agree with Bill. If they trade high level assets for a player like Hart. It's for more than two years

How do our rookies stack up vs the top producing rookies? Is there a handicap for playing on a trash team that plays hard and is fun to watch

Clearly if all of that is accurate what he has not said is that he would be willing to trade a 1st round pick or other high assets for two years of Carter Hart.

I understand the difference between saying they're looking for a stop gap and don't want to block Levy AND their willing to trade their 1st round for two years of a player like Hart.

I'll reiterate that I agree with Bill. If they trade high level assets for a player like Hart. It's for more than two years
- MJL

Makes sense

How often do 21 year old goalies get called up and stay the whole season? Almost never?
How many gm’s get fired for not calling up said goalies? Or at least in part? None.
The whole situation was dumb. Bias for action was directly part of calling up hart if you remember. Or at least in part.

Hart wasn’t ready for nhl. Dude couldn’t even cook a meal or do his laundry. He wasn’t ready physically or mentally. That’s why flyers were dumb and looked dumb.

Yes they needed a goalie to play. They always have options. They wanted hexy out and bringing up hart was part of plan to sell to fans.

Could he have come up for a spot game and it have been fine? Yep. But they kept him. That’s the dumb part
- SMS4016

Of course he was called up too soon but we played 8 goalies that season and he turned out to be the best one. The question becomes, how does the organization justify sending him down after that?

First let's get some facts straight. Hart was called up to the Flyers when he was 20. Not 21. I agree that Hart was up too early.
- MJL

Even worse

That's why I never want kids... if anybody's gonna be embarrassing my family it's gonna be me!!



- Tomahawk

Got lucky….only girls…and they take after their mother.

Eh, left side is better for the Flyers than forward talent depth, I don't think Cutter was a bad pick, we shall see. Provy or Sanheim have to go, right now, I think Provy gets you more, due to contract.
- wcorvette

This isn’t directed at you but to everyone. I think there is conclusion jumping in here everyday. We have to trade everyone on the team! Blow it up! Nobody ever wants to allow things to play out. If the Flyers trip and fall on to a top two pick in the draft, the plan has to change or at minimum rethink the next step. Like if the hockey gods decides it’s the Flyers time, I’m not sure I want to trade Travis Konency or an Ivan Provorov anymore. It’s easy to say trade them now. It’s the lazy answer but we also don’t know what’s coming back. I think we’ve lost in a lot of deals in recent years.

Got lucky….only girls…and they take after their mother.
- landros 2

😆 ba dum tsss 🥁

Clearly if all of that is accurate what he has not said is that he would be willing to trade a 1st round pick or other high assets for two years of Carter Hart.

I understand the difference between saying they're looking for a stop gap and don't want to block Levy AND their willing to trade their 1st round for two years of a player like Hart.

I'll reiterate that I agree with Bill. If they trade high level assets for a player like Hart. It's for more than two years
- MJL

No gm will ever say they would trade a first for a goalie. Why would they. To drive price up on themselves.

Him staying all options open is gm speak.

I could also say where did he NOT say he would trade a first for a goalie couldn’t I? Where’s the proof he wouldn’t?

I guess it comes down to are they credible?
Sabres adams yes
Flyers fo no

This is directed at you but to everyone. I think there is conclusion jumping everyday. We have trade everyone on the team! Blow it up! Nobody ever wants to allow things to play out. If the Flyers trip and fall on to a top two pick in the draft, the plan had to change or at minimum rethink the next step. Like if the hockey gods decides it’s the Flyers time, I’m not sure I want to trade Travis Konency or an Ivan Provorov anymore. It’s easy to say trade them now. It’s the lazy answer but we also don’t know what’s coming back. I think we’ve lost in a lot of deals in recent years.
- SuperSchennBros

Many on this team is untradeable. Salary and length of contract vs performance makes them Anchor ⚓️ proof.

Nobody that is there now. That's why there is no connection.



Biron is a radio and TV analyst and not a member of the Sabres hockey ops. If you're saying that thier position is that they would trade high level assets for Carter Hart as a two year stop gap without wanting to re-sign him, I'd be happy to take a look at any documentation you have of that.



Back channels. LOL. Or Briere could just call the Buffalo GM and ask if he has any interest in Hart. That's another way to go.
- MJL

Are you obtuse?
Biron and briere are best friends. When biron was traded to philly he immediately pushed for briere to sign in fa.

What do you think happens when philly is in buffalo? You don’t think biron and briere get together? Or talk? You don’t think they talk flyers? Or Sabres? Being BOTH played for BOTH teams.

How obtuse.

You think biron pulling hart talk out his ass?

That makes ZERO sense

What is more plausible biron pulls hart talk out his ass or he’s talked to either philly people or buffalo people or BOTH about hart? And a position on team he played for BOTH.

Come on man

Many on this team is untraceable. Salary and length of contract vs performance makes them Anchor ⚓️ proof.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Tough to argue. This is as frustrating a team as frustrating gets. Contracts are one thing. Long term injuries and healing from injury has also hurt us. Most nights fans wanna blame one guy. As much as I don’t like Hayes or the rest of you don’t like Risto, they both fit right in with the rest of the trash. I personally think Hayes contract is A LOT worse than Risto’s deal but that’s just me.

Of course he was called up too soon but we played 8 goalies that season and he turned out to be the best one. The question becomes, how does the organization justify sending him down after that?
- SuperSchennBros

It’s justified because everyone knows a 20 year old goalie isn’t ready for full time nhl. That’s why you don’t see it.

It’s justified because everyone knows a 20 year old goalie isn’t ready for full time nhl. That’s why you don’t see it.
- SMS4016

Who is everyone?

No gm will ever say they would trade a first for a goalie. Why would they. To drive price up on themselves.

Him staying all options open is gm speak.

I could also say where did he NOT say he would trade a first for a goalie couldn’t I? Where’s the proof he wouldn’t?

I guess it comes down to are they credible?
Sabres adams yes
Flyers fo no
- SMS4016

It is so why do you keep trying to use GM speak to try and counter the comments that Bill made? There is no proof that he will or won't. So why do you keep trying to portray as an expert on the Sabres and using GM speak to try and support it? What I'm using is experience and some common sense to say that I don't believe that the Sabres will trade what could be a top 15 pick in a deep draft in a plan to acquire a player they want to keep for two years. You haven't made a reasonable argument yet to explain why they would.

I saw the Carson Brière wheelchair ♿️ caper. Pretty innocent, it looked like a stupid college prank.

Are you obtuse?
Biron and briere are best friends. When biron was traded to philly he immediately pushed for briere to sign in fa.

What do you think happens when philly is in buffalo? You don’t think biron and briere get together? Or talk? You don’t think they talk flyers? Or Sabres? Being BOTH played for BOTH teams.

How obtuse.

You think biron pulling hart talk out his ass?

That makes ZERO sense

What is more plausible biron pulls hart talk out his ass or he’s talked to either philly people or buffalo people or BOTH about hart? And a position on team he played for BOTH.

Come on man
- SMS4016

Wow, I really don't know where to start. How does Briere and Biron being best buddies factor in to Briere having a connection to the Sabres front office? LOL

This is like putting two and two together. Everyone knows the Flyers are likely going to be trading players. Hart is a player that everyone is speculating that the Flyers might trade. Buffalo is a team that could use a good goalie. It's like connecting the dots. Biron is a talking head. Not hard to figure out. Like Briere said, he's been the GM for 48 hours and you think he's already talking to Biron about trading Hart? It's highly unlikely that Briere has talked to a single team about trading Hart, let alone his best bud. It's not high school. LOL

I saw the Carson Brière wheelchair ♿️ caper. Pretty innocent, it looked like a stupid college prank.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

ba dum tsss 🥁?

It is so why do you keep trying to use GM speak to try and counter the comments that Bill made? There is no proof that he will or won't. So why do you keep trying to portray as an expert on the Sabres and using GM speak to try and support it? What I'm using is experience and some common sense to say that I don't believe that the Sabres will trade what could be a top 15 pick in a deep draft in a plan to acquire a player they want to keep for two years. You haven't made a reasonable argument yet to explain why they would.
- MJL

Because they (adams) flat out said their goaltending isn’t up to par. That they would be fixing it. What more you want. That’s not me implying anything. Look at the standings. Where are Sabres? What’s the reason? Goaltending. What more proof do you need? They tried to upgrade last year in Fa but didn’t want to give prices asked. So went with Anderson again. Comrie/UPL hoping it was good enough. They flat out said it wasn’t and they are gonna fix it.

So obviously they are gonna make a move. It’s either upgrade in Fa or by trade.

It’s just funny that hart is first name out there once these announcements come out. The only thing I’m countering bill with is his if Sabres trade for hart it’s a for”foreseeable future”. He was implying if they trade for him they’d be all in on him. And the counter is levy and no they wouldn’t be. Because they’re credible and have layed the plan out.

Bill is an outsider. It’s his opinion. He knows nada about buffalo. He doesn’t follow them whatsoever. That’s ok. Just giving perspective from Buffalo area about hart. As I listen everyday to radio coverage here. There’s actually a lot of chatter around Buffalo fans about hart. Debates.

Even hb Sabres had recent column with hart discussion

Because they (adams) flat out said their goaltending isn’t up to par. That they would be fixing it. What more you want. That’s not me implying anything. Look at the standings. Where are Sabres? What’s the reason? Goaltending. What more proof do you need? They tried to upgrade last year in Fa but didn’t want to give prices asked. So went with Anderson again. Comrie/UPL hoping it was good enough. They flat out said it wasn’t and they are gonna fix it.

So obviously they are gonna make a move. It’s either upgrade in Fa or by trade.

It’s just funny that hart is first name out there once these announcements come out. The only thing I’m countering bill with is his if Sabres trade for hart it’s a for”foreseeable future”. He was implying if they trade for him they’d be all in on him. And the counter is levy and no they wouldn’t be. Because they’re credible and have layed the plan out.

Bill is an outsider. It’s his opinion. He knows nada about buffalo. He doesn’t follow them whatsoever. That’s ok. Just giving perspective from Buffalo area about hart. As I listen everyday to radio coverage here. There’s actually a lot of chatter around Buffalo fans about hart. Debates.

Even hb Sabres had recent column with hart discussion
- SMS4016

I might as well get the Flyers GM job, I’m on the pulse of the league it would seem 😎

Because they (adams) flat out said their goaltending isn’t up to par. That they would be fixing it. What more you want. That’s not me implying anything. Look at the standings. Where are Sabres? What’s the reason? Goaltending. What more proof do you need? They tried to upgrade last year in Fa but didn’t want to give prices asked. So went with Anderson again. Comrie/UPL hoping it was good enough. They flat out said it wasn’t and they are gonna fix it.

So obviously they are gonna make a move. It’s either upgrade in Fa or by trade.

It’s just funny that hart is first name out there once these announcements come out. The only thing I’m countering bill with is his if Sabres trade for hart it’s a for”foreseeable future”. He was implying if they trade for him they’d be all in on him. And the counter is levy and no they wouldn’t be. Because they’re credible and have layed the plan out.

Bill is an outsider. It’s his opinion. He knows nada about buffalo. He doesn’t follow them whatsoever. That’s ok. Just giving perspective from Buffalo area about hart. As I listen everyday to radio coverage here. There’s actually a lot of chatter around Buffalo fans about hart. Debates.

Even hb Sabres had recent column with hart discussion
- SMS4016

You still haven't made a credible argument for why the Sabres would be willing to trade a top 15 pick in a deep draft for two years of Carter Hart!

Still not understanding that everything you claim is being said, does not point to the Sabres being willing to trade that pick for Hart as a stopgap.
The chatter you're listening to is no different than the chatter on here. There is nothing going on yet!

You're an outsider and Bill is more of an insider in the NHL than either you or I are. What are you talking about?

Clearly if all of that is accurate what he has not said is that he would be willing to trade a 1st round pick or other high assets for two years of Carter Hart.

I understand the difference between saying they're looking for a stop gap and don't want to block Levy AND their willing to trade their 1st round for two years of a player like Hart.

I'll reiterate that I agree with Bill. If they trade high level assets for a player like Hart. It's for more than two years
- MJL

Let me also make this point. Bill is flyers blogger. With some small association to flyers.

I’m definitely more in the know on Sabres than bill. I hear them daily. It doesn’t make me an expert or better but it definitely makes me more in tune with buffalo and more likely to understand why Buffalo would trade for hart.

Bills opinion is from a Philly perspective. Hart is so good no way he could be a stopgap. Giving up assets MUST mean foreseeable future.


Wrong

Let me also make this point. Bill is flyers blogger. With some small association to flyers.

I’m definitely more in the know on Sabres than bill. I hear them daily. It doesn’t make me an expert or better but it definitely makes me more in tune with buffalo and more likely to understand why Buffalo would trade for hart.

Bills opinion is from a Philly perspective. Hart is so good no way he could be a stopgap. Giving up assets MUST mean foreseeable future.


Wrong
- SMS4016

You haven't provided any evidence whatsoever that you're more in the know on the Sabres or anything related to hockey than Bill. Your last statement here shows that you lack understanding on what Bill said by insinuating that Bill has said that Hart is so good that no way he could be a stop gap. That is not accurate. Also not accurate to say that his opinion is from a Philly perspective. When you read Bill's work throughout his career. It's clear that he has in-depth knowledge of the entire league.