My biggest problem & maybe the only one with OEL is he lets the rush get into the zone too easily. Guarding against his turning mobility is cheating. Team D structure has to help him meaning good to great back checks. Asking for that to protect a 7.2m D is bad but it’s also what good teams do all the time. Eg Bruins. D can be insulated when that happens cuz the B’s don’t have great D imo just good in a great system players buy into.

Graves Hronek
Hughes Juulsen
OEL Bear
- manvanfan

Bear is serviceable in the top 4 but we’d be a better team if he’s 3rd pairing.

Hughes Hronek
Gavrikov Bear
OEL Myers

Be my idea for 2023/24

If more cap can be unloaded…

Hughes Mayfield
Gavrikov Hronek
OEL Bear

Mayfield should be under 3m maybe. Bear 3/2m. Myers retain whatever needed (2-3m) for a neutral return. Use the season & decide later if OEL becomes more of a buyout 2024/25. That’s an expensive D corp to start a season & not much cap if any for a 3C. I can live with that if the D greatly improves. C from within & by committee til another day.

Now after my blabbering I don’t believe that happens & the rumour a 3C is the want. Not my want.

I appreciate the effort some of you guys put in but I think we are now getting into dumpster diving and desperation.
- VANTEL

A lot of these names are from other sources. Corey Pronman made a big list of college and euro free agents. Canucksarmy wrote an article about players Van could have interest in. I just go view the players if they happen to be playing in a game I would watch for other reasons.

I will say it over and over, bringing back OEL proves the new management have no clue of what they are doing.

Wasting that much cap on a player that is terrible at defending and selling off two top forty draft picks in the same year 2023 is asinine.
- VANTEL

Well the theory for some is less minutes, less mistakes and worse competition and he won't be as bad in a better system. I got rid of Myers didn't I? step in the right direction.

Bear is serviceable in the top 4 but we’d be a better team if he’s 3rd pairing.

Hughes Hronek
Gavrikov Bear
OEL Myers

Be my idea for 2023/24

If more cap can be unloaded…

Hughes Mayfield
Gavrikov Hronek
OEL Bear

Mayfield should be under 3m maybe. Bear 3/2m. Myers retain whatever needed (2-3m) for a neutral return. Use the season & decide later if OEL becomes more of a buyout 2024/25. That’s an expensive D corp to start a season & not much cap if any for a 3C. I can live with that if the D greatly improves. C from within & by committee til another day.
- Nighthawk

No one in their right minds would bring back one of the worst pairings in hockey again next season except for you.

Well the theory for some is less minutes, less mistakes and worse competition and he won't be as bad in a better system. I got rid of Myers didn't I? step in the right direction.
- manvanfan

That theory also works with Briesbois who is 7 mil cheaper.

Well the theory for some is less minutes, less mistakes and worse competition and he won't be as bad in a better system. I got rid of Myers didn't I? step in the right direction.
- manvanfan

The elephant in the ointment lol

No one in their right minds would bring back one of the worst pairings in hockey again next season except for you.
- manvanfan

I’m not advocating bringing them back au contraire tbh. Just an example if forced or decide they will. Idk if Mgmt is actively shopping either or both. I do think it’s probable but maybe TDL move(s). I’m certain 2024/25 the D will be more to my liking. Dermott I have not factored in for various reasons. Idk the plans they have for him.

Flyers vs Senators at 4PM Pacific time tonight, should be a good one. I know y'all will be watching that one!! Flyers should easily win the lotto now that Bettman has see the changes Comcast finally made.


- LeftCoaster

I will say it over and over, bringing back OEL proves the new management have no clue of what they are doing.

Wasting that much cap on a player that is terrible at defending and selling off two top forty draft picks in the same year 2023 is asinine.
- VANTEL

This regime is in no way responsible for OEL. Personally I'd rather watch Tocchet ride OEL into LTIR than have the dead cap space. We paid enough money to have players not to play for the Canucks. I think it would be a nice refreshing change to avoid this scenario. Which seems to be their strategy.

This regime is in no way responsible for OEL. Personally I'd rather watch Tocchet ride OEL into LTIR than have the dead cap space. We paid enough money to have players not to play for the Canucks. I think it would be a nice refreshing change to avoid this scenario. Which seems to be their strategy.
- Load Management

Truth 👍

When it comes to BB & OEL & other inheritances idc how optics look. New Mgmt can do what they see fit to build the roster & depth etc. Feelings don’t matter to me they get well paid to play is all that matters. We don’t want a Mgmt team that respects all of the players needs when winning is the priority. Everything follows that after.

Put their stamp on the team & continue on with what they deem is necessary to get it done.

This regime is in no way responsible for OEL. Personally I'd rather watch Tocchet ride OEL into LTIR than have the dead cap space. We paid enough money to have players not to play for the Canucks. I think it would be a nice refreshing change to avoid this scenario. Which seems to be their strategy.
- Load Management

That is fine but then why waste a good tank job and sell away two top 40 picks and take on Hronek.

From what I have seen of Hronek he is fine but IMO not worth two top forty picks in what is called a strong draft?

An example is a guy like Logan Malloux. We are not talking about his off ice issues we are now discussing what he is doing on the ice. Drafted 31 st 53 points in 59 games RHD 6'3. He will be an NHL player. There are many kids like that almost every draft. You don't sell the future if you are not going to go all in to win now.

This is what Benning did and this is what this group is doing. They have given up so far at least 4 top three round picks in a little over a year.

I am fine either way they go seeing I can't do anything about it anyways but for Christ sakes pick a direction. Enough of this sitting in the middle.

This regime is in no way responsible for OEL. Personally I'd rather watch Tocchet ride OEL into LTIR than have the dead cap space. We paid enough money to have players not to play for the Canucks. I think it would be a nice refreshing change to avoid this scenario. Which seems to be their strategy.
- Load Management

Who’s we? It’s Aquilini’s money and he loves to waste family money, just look at the Benning years spending to the cap to finish bottom five or ten. Let him waste a bit more money!

That is fine but then why waste a good tank job and sell away two top 40 picks and take on Hronek.

From what I have seen of Hronek he is fine but IMO not worth two top forty picks in what is called a strong draft?

An example is a guy like Logan Malloux. We are not talking about his off ice issues we are now discussing what he is doing on the ice. Drafted 31 st 53 points in 59 games RHD 6'3. He will be an NHL player. There are many kids like that almost every draft. You don't sell the future if you are not going to go all in to win now.

This is what Benning did and this is what this group is doing. They have given up so far at least 4 top three round picks in a little over a year.

I am fine either way they go seeing I can't do anything about it anyways but for Christ sakes pick a direction. Enough of this sitting in the middle.
- VANTEL

They were never tanking. They misjudged what they inherited and now they realize they need to make changes but they were never interested in tanking and neither are the players. Which is fine. I personally wish they would’ve tanked, but that would mean getting rid of Pettersson and Quinn Hughes, which they aren’t doing….clearly.

As for a direction, obviously they’re re-tooling to be a complete team, they’ve said as much publicly and you can see it in their move for Hronek.

That is fine but then why waste a good tank job and sell away two top 40 picks and take on Hronek.

From what I have seen of Hronek he is fine but IMO not worth two top forty picks in what is called a strong draft?

An example is a guy like Logan Malloux. We are not talking about his off ice issues we are now discussing what he is doing on the ice. Drafted 31 st 53 points in 59 games RHD 6'3. He will be an NHL player. There are many kids like that almost every draft. You don't sell the future if you are not going to go all in to win now.

This is what Benning did and this is what this group is doing. They have given up so far at least 4 top three round picks in a little over a year.

I am fine either way they go seeing I can't do anything about it anyways but for Christ sakes pick a direction. Enough of this sitting in the middle.
- VANTEL

The tank started fizzling before Hronek got into the line-up.

Maybe trading for Hronek was timing sensitive as in the Wings said take it or leave it. Easier to get him when having the cap now & not when more suitors could make it happen in the offseason. Just speculating that’s the case.

Right now the NYI 1st is 19oa & good but not great. Our 2nd keeps getting lower the more we climb. Still I get you it wasn’t cheap but idk if it was expensive either. Top 4 RHD are pricey & needed & rare to get.

Next season will be the acid test.

They were never tanking. They misjudged what they inherited and now they realize they need to make changes but they were never interested in tanking and neither are the players. Which is fine. I personally wish they would’ve tanked, but that would mean getting rid of Pettersson and Quinn Hughes, which they aren’t doing….clearly.

As for a direction, obviously they’re re-tooling to be a complete team, they’ve said as much publicly and you can see it in their move for Hronek.
- LeftCoaster

In a nutshell yup 🤪😂👍

Who’s we? It’s Aquilini’s money and he loves to waste family money, just look at the Benning years spending to the cap to finish bottom five or ten. Let him waste a bit more money!
- LeftCoaster

People seem to forget that FA also wasted money on buyouts, Ballard Higgins and Booth and also the Luongo fiasco from the Gillis era.

Pointing fingers at who did the worst job is good pastime with HB. I seen your post earlier about the worst trade in history, it ranks up there with Grabner a first and Steve Bernier only to buy out Ballard after LTIR .


Booth trade another treasure.

These bad discissions have been going on for fifty plus years.

Granted we have very lil optimism after the last bunch of lousy seasons but a fresh start & healthy roster is when to judge.

The fanbase will have mixed feelings but feelings matter not. Apprehensions sure cuz it’s show me.

I’m fully onboard it’s show me time & will hold everyone accountable.

Inserts Chihuahua on ankles gif

The tank started fizzling before Hronek got into the line-up.

Maybe trading for Hronek was timing sensitive as in the Wings said take it or leave it. Easier to get him when having the cap now & not when more suitors could make it happen in the offseason. Just speculating that’s the case.

Right now the NYI 1st is 19oa & good but not great. Our 2nd keeps getting lower the more we climb. Still I get you it wasn’t cheap but idk if it was expensive either. Top 4 RHD are pricey & needed & rare to get.

Next season will be the acid test.
- Nighthawk

You are missing the point. Why did you need to trade for Hronek at all? I think he is decent but not worth two top 40 picks and more cap. I think you could have found a decent Dman in free agency.

Again Habs picked up Malloux who will be a good NHL player at 31. Why can Canucks not pick up a good Dman in the top 18 with the Islanders pick.

They were never tanking. They misjudged what they inherited and now they realize they need to make changes but they were never interested in tanking and neither are the players. Which is fine. I personally wish they would’ve tanked, but that would mean getting rid of Pettersson and Quinn Hughes, which they aren’t doing….clearly.

As for a direction, obviously they’re re-tooling to be a complete team, they’ve said as much publicly and you can see it in their move for Hronek.
- LeftCoaster

Think I seen this part before.

As much as people don't want to admit it and make excuses for what has happened this year. We have seen this same crap before. Same stink different faces.

I will say it again, pick a direction, be either very good or very bad. The middle sucks.

Sens up 1-0…tank job in full swing for the Flyers.

People seem to forget that FA also wasted money on buyouts, Ballard Higgins and Booth and also the Luongo fiasco from the Gillis era.

Pointing fingers at who did the worst job is good pastime with HB. I seen your post earlier about the worst trade in history, it ranks up there with Grabner a first and Steve Bernier only to buy out Ballard after LTIR .


Booth trade another treasure.

These bad discissions have been going on for fifty plus years.
- VANTEL

Those trades are not even in the same galaxy. One team was competing for a Stanley Cup, which matters whether anyone says so or not, the other finished 8th last and lost an opportunity to draft a great prospect.

7m savings year 1 then 2.4m then 2 years of 4.8m ends with 4 years 2.2m.
- Nighthawk

It's just not worth it. If we replace him with a 4.5 guy the that's a 7 mill guy. 2 years of 9 mill. Either move a 1st with him to get rid of him (which won't happen with his 10.5 mill real money hit coming) or keep him for 4 years.

Vantel it's easy to say if they want to win buy him out but realistically replace him with 4.5 and you're essentially at his cap hit. Just keep him or send him to the minors hope he retires or goes ltir. I bet he can play 5 6