Lol at trying to say Vic's goals count less because of what games theyre in. Just lol. Have you gone through every goal every player has and seen when and what game they scored? Until you do, Vic has 26, Quinn 13, and Peterka 9.

I know they're rookies. You don't. Peg's doesn't. You're the one treating them like they can carry a team. Not me. I'm treating them like they're rookies and they're not going to carry us. In fact, they can't carey us to the same effect Vic can at this point.

You're also assuming kids with 0 NHL games are going come in and carry us somewhere next season. It’s sad and laughable. If we don't bring in multiple veterans we're not going anywhere.
- lacaprup

Well when your losing by 6 goals and you score 2 goals does it help, when you are winning by 4 already and you score what is it really doing other than padding your stats. No not all his goals are meaningless, but a lot of the goals happened when the game was out of reach. When did I say they can carry a team, I definitely know Olofsson can't. And never said kids coming in would be are saviors, actually wanted a few trades made to help the young team. But those kids coming in already have better 200ft games than Olofsson and will impact the game more than the Blackhole does most games.

Well when your losing by 6 goals and you score 2 goals does it help, when you are winning by 4 already and you score what is it really doing other than padding your stats. No not all his goals are meaningless, but a lot of the goals happened when the game was out of reach. When did I say they can carry a team, I definitely know Olofsson can't. And never said kids coming in would be are saviors, actually wanted a few trades made to help the young team. But those kids coming in already have better 200ft games than Olofsson and will impact the game more than the Blackhole does most games.
- Buff36

So, you're implying every goal scored by Quinn and Peterka are clutch? Either go through every one of their goals like you have Vic, or they all count the same. He has more than both of them combined.

And, if you're responding to my post which stemmed from a quoted post which implies Quinn and Peterka have saved this team this year, then, yes, you are putting yourself on that side of the arguement. How else am I supposed to interpret it?

Rookies don't push teams into the playoffs. End of story.

You know what grinds my gears?

When someone responds to posts between two other posters (no problem yet) clearing taking one of the two sides (still, no problem) then one of the two OPs responds and the 3rd poster replies with some version of "well, that's not my exact position". That's where my problem comes.

If you want to have a separate peace. Have a fùcking separate say, but don't engage an already going thread with a tangent.

Since all 26 Olofsson goals were meaningless, does that mean the 52 potential assists need to be wiped off the record too?

I've heard people say Mitts has had a nice year. I think not. At least 15 of those assists were on meaningless Olofsson goals.

You know what really grinds my gears?

Somebody acting like the Hockeybuzz thread police, especially at 7 in the morning.

So, you're implying every goal scored by Quinn and Peterka are clutch? Either go through every one of their goals like you have Vic, or they all count the same. He has more than both of them combined.

And, if you're responding to my post which stemmed from a quoted post which implies Quinn and Peterka have saved this team this year, then, yes, you are putting yourself on that side of the arguement. How else am I supposed to interpret it?

Rookies don't push teams into the playoffs. End of story.
- lacaprup

No I am not implying that, you said he scores more goals and had more impact on the team than 2 rookies and I am disagreeing with that cause not all Olofsson goals impacted sh!t and more so make people say well he scores goals. Big F@cking deal when you are bad at everything else.

No I am not implying that, you said he scores more goals and had more impact on the team than 2 rookies and I am disagreeing with that cause not all Olofsson goals impacted sh!t and more so make people say well he scores goals. Big F@cking deal when you are bad at everything else.
- Buff36

Ok, so let's not even talk about Peterka and his 9 goals.

Quinn has half the goals of Olofsson but has had a better impact in your opinion? I disagree

Who has more game winning goals?

And, again, I do not count either as an impact player. I'm just comparing them to prove that the kid line isnt the 37th best line in hockey.

Question for the entire board:

Do you believe one forward is as responsible for a goal against as that same forward is responsible for a goal scored if he is in fact the goal scorer?

And we all knows plays are different, but I think we've all seen enough hockey to be able to make a genaral answer.

Ok, so let's not even talk about Peterka and his 9 goals.

Quinn has half the goals of Olofsson but has had a better impact in your opinion? I disagree

Who has more game winning goals?

And, again, I do not count either as an impact player. I'm just comparing them to prove that the kid line isnt the 37th best line in hockey.
- lacaprup

Quinn is a positive player, and No he hasn't scored as many goals. But he is only 4pts behind Olofsson and I say his all around game has impacted the team more than Olofsson. And JJ hasn't scored, but once he hits his stride he will be much better than Olofsson. He's already a better skater and along the boards. They have aways to go both rookies.

Quinn is a positive player, and No he hasn't scored as many goals. But he is only 4pts behind Olofsson and I say his all around game has impacted the team more than Olofsson. And JJ hasn't scored, but once he hits his stride he will be much better than Olofsson. He's already a better skater and along the boards. They have aways to go both rookies.
- Buff36

I don't disagree about the potential of either. I never have. I am talking only about who they are today, and why people continually overvalue what any rookie can do. And, in general, I think people highly overrate what one bad defensive player (especially at the wing position) can make happen. It's much harder to actually score goals against most NHL goaltending.

I don't disagree about the potential of either. I never have. I am talking only about who they are today, and why people continually overvalue what any rookie can do. And, in general, I think people highly overrate what one bad defensive player (especially at the wing position) can make happen. It's much harder to actually score goals against most NHL goaltending.
- lacaprup

Don't think anyone is taking away from his elite shot, it's the other parts of his game when he isn't in a torid goal streak that rile people. When in reality you are only impacting 25 to 30gms maybe and are bad for 60 games a year it impacts a team in negative ways.

Rofl... will quinn or peterka hit 20 goals? I'll save you the paragraph of bullpoop telling me how no one expected either to do this, and just give you the answer: no. You act like either one of them is in the Calder conversation.

Explain exactly what "impact" theyve had? (and I'd like to see a link to where I supposedly said they had "no" impact this year. I think you're lying)We're a bottom feeder team again. Are we going to finish higher than last season? Have they had more impact than Vic who has - literally - twice as many goals as Quinn?

If you weren't constantly trying to do two things in every post:
1. Convince yourself being bìtchslapped around the league for the 12th season in a row is a good thing and
2. Convince everyone else there is smart way to win that only expected statistics show...
you'd be able to see the top line, Dahlin, Power, and Cozens are the only impact players on the roster. And, often enough, all of those players impact negatively defensively this season as well. Now, they're all more positive than negative, but none of them have had a flawless season or even anything close now that we've gotten to March 22nd.

Everyone else on the team..... yeah it aint so great.

But, hey, buddy you're the one thinking rookies can be saviors. Not me. I understand no rookie saves a team, which is why I know Savoie and Kulich mean nothing whatsoever to next season, and it's even laughable to think Savoie will be a Sabre next season. Please keep talking about him.

Put up 100 more posts this year about a kid in the WHL who couldn't even make the U20 team, isn't even leading his own team in scoring, no where near the league lead in points, and is not going to be a Sabre next year.
- lacaprup

What Savoie is doing in the WHL is borderline generational.

Question for the entire board:

Do you believe one forward is as responsible for a goal against as that same forward is responsible for a goal scored if he is in fact the goal scorer?

And we all knows plays are different, but I think we've all seen enough hockey to be able to make a genaral answer.
- lacaprup

History one poster answer this please.
Gears are ground down pretty low apparently so we don't want too much more damage.

What Savoie is doing in the WHL is borderline generational.
- Hatboro_Swords

Meh, not really.

He’s having a good season but I wouldn’t call it generational.

Don't think anyone is taking away from his elite shot, it's the other parts of his game when he isn't in a torid goal streak that rile people. When in reality you are only impacting 25 to 30gms maybe and are bad for 60 games a year it impacts a team in negative ways.
- Buff36

This is just an eye-rolling take. Does Quinn impact every game he hasn't scored in positively or negatively? He's only got 13 goals, so he must be just tremendous defensively make up for the 60 or so games he hasn't scored in.

The hairs aren't worth splitting on who's more impactful in 22-23 Vic or Quinn. Neither is an impact player in 22-23. Neither.

To my point. Expecting rookies to come in next year and be impact players would mean they would have to outplay both Vic and Quinn 22-23. It ain't happening.

History one poster answer this please.
Gears are ground down pretty low apparently so we don't want too much more damage.
- IonSabres

I guess that explicit "question for the entire board" part was too much for you, or the question too nuanced?

What Savoie is doing in the WHL is borderline generational.
- Hatboro_Swords

Boy oh boy, then what he does in the exact same league is going to be super generational next year.

Meh, not really.

He’s having a good season but I wouldn’t call it generational.
- ImThatGuy

I suppose you wouldn’t consider what Kulich is doing in the AHL at age 15 is either.

Past two games, Sabres have an xG differential of +0.86.

That's right. Their possession and shot metrics have exceeded both teams. And yet they lost 3-14.

I suppose you wouldn’t consider what Kulich is doing in the AHL at age 15 is either.
- Hatboro_Swords

Actually he's 16

Past two games, Sabres have an xG differential of +0.86.

That's right. Their possession and shot metrics have exceeded both teams. And yet they lost 3-14.
- TheSabresTaco

Petition the NHL. Get ‘em to give us wins for the last two

Past two games, Sabres have an xG differential of +0.86.

That's right. Their possession and shot metrics have exceeded both teams. And yet they lost 3-14.
- TheSabresTaco

Anyone who thinks the Sabres had the better of either game....
The Preds had the game won and coasted through the 3rd period. The Bruins dominated us. Yes, they got a lot of great saves, but that was never, ever in doubt. It was over at 1 - 0.

This is just an eye-rolling take. Does Quinn impact every game he hasn't scored in positively or negatively? He's only got 13 goals, so he must be just tremendous defensively make up for the 60 or so games he hasn't scored in.

The hairs aren't worth splitting on who's more impactful in 22-23 Vic or Quinn. Neither is an impact player in 22-23. Neither.

To my point. Expecting rookies to come in next year and be impact players would mean they would have to outplay both Vic and Quinn 22-23. It ain't happening.
- lacaprup

For almost 5m a year I would hope he would impact more than a 1/4 of the games. And Quinn is a plus 1 so yes I think he has impacted the team defensively more the Olofsson and his 26 goals and -27.

don't worry

bringing up 2 or 3 prospects next year will fix everything

don't worry

bringing up 2 or 3 prospects next year will fix everything
- homiedclown

Hope not, but sure seems to be the path