So in bills case he’s saying buffalo didn’t execute the picks (which is false to begin with) but let’s say that we’re true …


- SMS4016

The above is incorrect. What Bill is saying is that despite numerous top draft picks. The Sabres have not built a contending team in well over a decade of having those top picks.

I guess I need you to clarify what a top end pick is in your opinion. I feel like a top 10 pick is considered a high end pick. And from reading what Bill wrote, it was pretty clear to me that was what he meant. He wasn't speaking to WHO was picked, he was speaking about the picks themselves. At least that was the way I read it.
- MBFlyerfan

I’ll clarify over last 12 years their top end picks
Reinhardt

Eichel
What were the assets gained from those players? Exactly
More recently to name a few
Dahlin
Power
Quinn
Peterka
Savoi
Samulsson
Olofson
Cozens
Middlstadt
Rosen
On and on and on

Then add in players obtained from trading Reinhardt and eichel
So why would bill push a narrative that this should be a part of some karma? Despite having these picks? These picks are exactly what you’d want is it not?

Again buffalo NOT making playoffs has absolutely nothing to do with the picks or players made.

They are a direct result of Murray’s moves to go for it at incorrect time. That’s the karma that should be wished in Chicago. Or whoever.

If you want to build then you should do exactly what Buffalo did. Tank when neccessary. Obtain top end picks as much as you can and flip players for assets. All done right minus Murray’s go for it timing

EXACTLY the path philly was on until hexy fired. If anything hexy should’ve traded more players to maximize the rebuild like g Jake simmonds.

Same as cf should’ve traded coots to maximize asset

Instead philly doubled down so much they are (frank)ed for long long time.

The narrative bill should solely be pushing is a fire sale of anyone over the age of 22 maybe 23. Because the timeline doesn’t fit any older. Instead he’s pushing a narrative like buffalo with 12 year high end picks still didn’t make playoffs.

It’s lazy and false.

Frost has been making plays all season. Once he has been played with skilled linemates. Remember that argument? When you said that Frost should be producing even when playing with 4th line scrubs? I told you that Frost should be and needs to be playing with skilled offensive players?
- MJL

he's agreeing with you and trying to find common ground with you regarding Frost and you still insist on acting like an bumhole?

The above is incorrect. What Bill is saying is that despite numerous top draft picks. The Sabres have not built a contending team in well over a decade of having those top picks.
- MJL

That’s not what he intended. You being obtuse I wouldn’t expect to understand

I'm looking forward to the off season moves of the team

That’s not what he intended. You being obtuse I wouldn’t expect to understand
- SMS4016

That's not only what he intended but it's exactly what he said. That has been explained to you multiple times over multiple pages of this thread. Yet, you have the balls to call someone else obtuse.

That's not only what he intended but it's exactly what he said. That has been explained to you multiple times over multiple pages of this thread. Yet, you have the balls to call someone else obtuse.
- MJL

you're embarrassing yourself and insulting anyone with any sense at all

When I say bigger I don't necessariliy mean height, but muscle mass also. Brad Marchand for example is not a tall forward by NHL standards but he is built out of concrete and has a low center of gravity. He is almost impossible to knock off the puck and wins probably 90% of his puck battles, that to me is what makes him so tough to play against. Benson is listed at 160lbs and that concerns me a bit.
- jd250

Marchand is incredibly strong for his size but still only 5'9 176 lbs. And not like Benson is still gonna be 160 when he's in his prime.

Plus, I'm usually more wary of bigger kids coming out of junior than smaller ones. The elite tiny guys have usually developed things to compensate for their natural disadvantages... like deception, moxie and smarts that translate really well to the next level. Meanwhile dudes like Patrick and Provy with "NHL-ready" size hit a wall once they aren't the strongest players anymore. All their shortcomings become apparent.

I'm looking forward to the off season moves of the team
- Aaron_85

Looks like you're one of us now

The thing is, putting karma aside, even if Chicago did finish dead last in the league this year and they win the lottery and get Bedard and Bedard turns into the next Sidney Crosby, that still guarentees Chicago nothing. Crosby was great but could not get the Penguins to the playoffs and eventually to the Cups without Letang, Malkin and Fluery. Edmonton hit on MacDavid and Draisaitl and they are the two best scorers in the NHL multiple seasons in a row, and yet Edmonton is nothing more than a bubble playoff team. The fact is to win in the NHL you need top end talent for sure, but you also need scoring depth, goaltending, 3 or 4 really strong defensemen, good coaching and a lot of luck. I really hope the Flyers get one of the top two picks in this draft because if they add either Bedard or Fantilli to this team, with Couts coming back next year, the Flyers will do some real damage within 2 seasons, because the Flyers have a good team building already and that one top end player will propel them forward very quickly.
- jd250

I know you’re trying to be optimistic but all the if’s you speak of are highly unlikely. Coots being some savior. Highly unlikely. Winning lottery. Highly unlikely. Even if these type things were to happen it’s even more highly unlikely it would come to help within 2 years. Or very quickly. It’s extremely unlikely actually and it shouldn’t even be a passing thought.

Yes philly has what looks like some nice pieces that are young. So does every other team. So why would philly outlook be any more likely to to make it a quick turnaround? As you said in example even with those pieces you still need more.

Rid yourself of some dead players and contracts and draft well and in more likely 4-5 years they can become a good team ready to truly compete maybe.

A couple years? Forget it.

That's not only what he intended but it's exactly what he said. That has been explained to you multiple times over multiple pages of this thread. Yet, you have the balls to call someone else obtuse.
- MJL

Ifgaf if it’s what he said or intended. He is wrong. Buffalo not making playoffs for 12 years had almost nothing to do with all their top end picks that they had and made.

You can’t get that. Because you’re obtuse

Great breakdown of all the little things that Benson does so well that makes him super effective.

Looks like you're one of us now
- Tomahawk

One of us! One of us! One of us!

Ifgaf if it’s what he said or intended. He is wrong. Buffalo not making playoffs for 12 years had almost nothing to do with all their top end picks that they had and made.

You can’t get that. Because you’re obtuse
- SMS4016

I'll explain it to you again. Bill's point is not that Buffalo didn't make the playoffs because of all those picks. His point is that having all of those picks is not a guarantee of anything. In one post you try and say that's not what he intended, so you obviously do give a you know what. Then you say you don't. It's hysterical. Here we are what, 4 pages later and you still can't grasp Bill's point. Even after it has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters.

I'm looking forward to the off season moves of the team
- Aaron_85

for old time sakes, the over/under on how many posters would have been put in time out today?

Great breakdown of all the little things that Benson does so well that makes him super effective.
- Tomahawk

like what I read on him, seems the Flyers will get a very good player either way

One of us! One of us! One of us!
- Aaron_85

for old time sakes, the over/under on how many posters would have been put in time out today?
- wcorvette

Why the (frank) would I back read now?

One of us! One of us! One of us!
- Aaron_85

I'll explain it to you again. Bill's point is not that Buffalo didn't make the playoffs because of all those picks. His point is that having all of those picks is not a guarantee of anything. In one post you try and say that's not what he intended, so you obviously do give a you know what. Then you say you don't. It's hysterical. Here we are what, 4 pages later and you still can't grasp Bill's point. Even after it has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters.
- MJL

Obtuse. That wasn’t his point. That’s the point you’re trying to push to fit your narrative

Obtuse. That wasn’t his point. That’s the point you’re trying to push to fit your narrative
- SMS4016

Jesus Christ, yes it was. And you are the only in here who refuses to see it. You are arguing against a point he didn't make.


I do understand what you ARE saying but it is a different argument.

Why the (frank) would I back read now?
- Aaron_85

so no then

Jesus Christ, yes it was. And you are the only in here who refuses to see it. You are arguing against a point he didn't make.


I do understand what you ARE saying but it is a different argument.
- MBFlyerfan

Obtuse.

Jesus Christ, yes it was. And you are the only in here who refuses to see it. You are arguing against a point he didn't make.


I do understand what you ARE saying but it is a different argument.
- MBFlyerfan

Oh I get it. It’s a different arguement. Because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

Please explain what top end picks AND not making playoffs has to do with karma wished as a bad thing to another team.

It’s a blanket statement based on a narrative.

It’s lazy
It’s pathetic actually.

Is it a FACT Buffalo no playoffs 12 years? YES
IS IT A FACT they had top end picks? YES

IS IT A FACT THAT DESPITE TOP END PICKS BUFFALO DIDNT MAKE PLAYOFFS? NO!!!!

BIll stated it would be karma for Chicago to BECOME LIKE BUFFALO that despite having top end picks haven’t made playoffs in 12 years.

That makes no sense. The picks have NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM NOT MAKING PLAYOFFS.

using the word “despite” clearly shows that they should’ve made playoffs with all those top end picks.

Learn what words mean. Here’s an example
Husband says to wife” DESPITE you being a fat (frank) I still love you”

Is the husband IMPLYING he loves his wife?
Is he IMPLYING his wife is a fat (frank)? YES

BILL ABSOLUTELY implied buffalo should’ve made playoffs BECAUSE of the top end picks.
False narrative.

So yeah no I don’t wish that karma on Chicago.

Oh I get it. It’s a different arguement. Because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

Please explain what top end picks AND not making playoffs has to do with karma wished as a bad thing to another team.

It’s a blanket statement based on a narrative.

It’s lazy
It’s pathetic actually.

Is it a FACT Buffalo no playoffs 12 years? YES
IS IT A FACT they had top end picks? YES

IS IT A FACT THAT DESPITE TOP END PICKS BUFFALO DIDNT MAKE PLAYOFFS? NO!!!!

BIll stated it would be karma for Chicago to BECOME LIKE BUFFALO that despite having top end picks haven’t made playoffs in 12 years.

That makes no sense. The picks have NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM NOT MAKING PLAYOFFS.

using the word “despite” clearly shows that they should’ve made playoffs with all those top end picks.

Learn what words mean. Here’s an example
Husband says to wife” DESPITE you being a fat (frank) I still love you”

Is the husband IMPLYING he loves his wife?
Is he IMPLYING his wife is a fat (frank)? YES

BILL ABSOLUTELY implied buffalo should’ve made playoffs BECAUSE of the top end picks.
False narrative.

So yeah no I don’t wish that karma on Chicago.
- SMS4016

Still not getting it.


Bill did not imply anything with his statement. He plainly stated that getting top picks does not guarantee that a team will succeed. The only false narrative is coming from you.