Will KD sigh Jake Wise?
- LAHawk

I doubt it.

Let the L’s pile up. Only 9 more games left, thank goodness.

Going to need to almost lose out and hope for some Lovie Smith miracles to help with SJ and Columbus. Hopefully Anaheim can string some Ws together too so we can get the most out of this season.

Tampa on a 4 game losing skid with a game against Carolina coming up. I'd like to see them limp into the playoffs and get eliminated in the 1st round.

Tampa on a 4 game losing skid with a game against Carolina coming up. I'd like to see them limp into the playoffs and get eliminated in the 1st round.
- Dieselhead

Second round, I’d love to see them take out the Make me laughs again in the first round and watch the city go mental!

I think AA will get the overpay and possibly Domi
- LAHawk

I think so too, unfortunately.

I think so too, unfortunately.
- -Doh-

There probably is no one else that is NHL caliber that will sign with the Hawks. Players want to win, not be supposed place holders until KD’s draft choices possibly pan out.

Will KD sigh Jake Wise?
- LAHawk

Even though Wise is a Bowman draft pick he fits KD's profile of a high compete/work ethic/hungry player even though he's not known for his speed, plus he's a centerman. . Add Wise has overcome some injury adversity, has played 125 NCAA games and is 23 yrs old he might fit as AHL depth.

But with a load of draft picks this yr not sure where the franchise sits as far as available pro contracts?

Really? Seems to me the Goalies all things considered, played pretty well this year.

I'm sure there are a few teams going to the playoffs that would like to have Stalock as at least a back up.

Watch Carolina depart again for poor to average goal tending.
- vabeachbear

Hawks goalies definitely stole some games this season, been one of the bright spots.

There probably is no one else that is NHL caliber that will sign with the Hawks. Players want to win, not be supposed place holders until KD’s draft choices possibly pan out.
- LAHawk

The Hawks provide players with few choices NHL ice time. Guys like Dikenson and Katchouk not only skate a regular shift but get PP and PK time that they would never see otherwise. Not to mention Domi and AA type players.

These kinds usually come hungry which fits the mold of tanking yet still ice a competitive roster which puts fans in seats and keeps a good culture/environment as LR develops the Reichels, Phillips' and Kaisers of the organIzation.

Tampa on a 4 game losing skid with a game against Carolina coming up. I'd like to see them limp into the playoffs and get eliminated in the 1st round.
- Dieselhead

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they get solidly whooped in round 1. Not a bad team, but not one of the top ones anymore either.

The Hawks provide players with few choices NHL ice time. Guys like Dikenson and Katchouk not only skate a regular shift but get PP and PK time that they would never see otherwise. Not to mention Domi and AA type players.

These kinds usually come hungry which fits the mold of tanking yet still ice a competitive roster which puts fans in seats and keeps a good culture/environment as LR develops the Reichels, Phillips' and Kaisers of the organIzation.
- Mr Ricochet

Yep, there will be players willing to come for the 1 or 2 year term contracts to get the opportunity to prove themselves. The guys who need a second chance or just the opportunity they didn't get with another team.

1 - Players know that for the near future or so, the Hawks will be sellers, so they come in, have a good season, they could find themselves playing for a contender come playoff time.

2 - Guys who will capitalize financially by getting more premium playing time (PP minutes, top 6 minutes, etc) and get a better follow up contract.

3 - Finally, I think the other positive is Luke Richardson is a coach which some players wouldn't mind playing for compared to some of the less player friendly coaches around the league.

Hawks won't be a top destination for free agents right now, but they won't be completely undesirable to NHL talent.

The Hawks provide players with few choices NHL ice time. Guys like Dikenson and Katchouk not only skate a regular shift but get PP and PK time that they would never see otherwise. Not to mention Domi and AA type players.

These kinds usually come hungry which fits the mold of tanking yet still ice a competitive roster which puts fans in seats and keeps a good culture/environment as LR develops the Reichels, Phillips' and Kaisers of the organIzation.
- Mr Ricochet

Richardinson and Katchook came in trades. So did Lafferty. Mc Cabe couldn’t wait to get out of here. T. Johnson with his contract is unmoveable.

Who else did KD sign last year besides AA and Domi (and with Kane and Towes still on the roster, J. Johnson?

Will be real fun watching Drouin and Okposo getting first line minutes as overpays in order to get to the cap floor.

Watching the Penn state vs. Michigan mostly to watch teh way Frankie nazar can set up line mates.
It iS curious that 2013 draft prospect Gavin Brindley, Fantilli's wing, takes all the attack zone face-offs.

Brindley isn't the biggest guy but can he skate and play.
It is great to watch the Michigan freshman many of who were taken early in last years draft.


Also from the beginning I was very critical of Hughes brother number three #43 because I was convinced he just was gonna need a lot more time than the other two, because he just seemed lousy as a defenseman.
After World Juniors I started thinking I was wrong, but tonight Hughes looked dumb as a defender and was handled by college forwards not NHL ones.

52 seconds in overtime Machiie Samoskevich let go a rocket to win it.
(Samoskevich was in fifth grade on Dec. 14, 2012, when a gunman shot and killed 26 people at his Sandy Hook Elementary school.)

last game Frank Nazar played exclusively as a wing, but tonight he played exclusively as a centre.

Watching the Penn state vs. Michigan mostly to watch teh way Frankie nazar can set up line mates.
It iS curious that 2013 draft prospect Gavin Brindley, Fantilli's wing, takes all the attack zone face-offs.

Brindley isn't the biggest guy but can he skate and play.
It is great to watch the Michigan freshman many of who were taken early in last years draft.


Also from the beginning I was very crital of Hughes brother number three #43 because I was convinced he just was gonna need a lot more time than the other two, because he just seemed lousy as a defenseman.
After World Juniors I started thinking I was wrong, but tonight Hughes looked dumb as a defender and was handled by college forwards not NHL ones.

52 seconds in overtime Machiie Samoskevich let go a rocket to win it.
(Samoskevich was in fifth grade on Dec. 14, 2012, when a gunman shot and killed 26 people at his Sandy Hook Elementary school.)

last game Frank Nazar played exclusively as a wing, but tonight he played exclusively as a centre.
- wiz1901

Nazar made some nice set ups on the PP that the Wolverines just couldn’t convert.

Second round, I’d love to see them take out the Make me laughs again in the first round and watch the city go mental!
- paulr

Either of those rounds solidifies their first round near slot #20 where it is right now, and doesn't elevate it to the last four sections #29-32...

I just keep thinking how greedy I am and that even one slot or two gets the hawks a better player if they draft correctly...

There probably is no one else that is NHL caliber that will sign with the Hawks. Players want to win, not be supposed place holders until KD’s draft choices possibly pan out.
- LAHawk

I disagree. You may need to overpay a little, but if someone offers a fringe player $2 mil and the Hawks offer $2.25 or $2.5 mil the player could sign. According to Capfriendly there are over 1100 players signed to contracts less than $2 mil. Of course most are on entry level contracts. I am not saying a star, but a Lafferty, Raddysh, Joey Anderson type. $250,000 to $500,000 could mean a lot to a fringe players' career earnings and they could still be traded to a contender at the TDL if they perform well.
Why would the Hawks resign a player like AA for $3 mil+ that they could not move at this TDL because of his $3 mil cap hit?

I disagree. You may need to overpay a little, but if someone offers a fringe player $2 mil and the Hawks offer $2.25 or $2.5 mil the player could sign. According to Capfriendly there are over 1100 players signed to contracts less than $2 mil. Of course most are on entry level contracts. I am not saying a star, but a Lafferty, Raddysh, Joey Anderson type. $250,000 to $500,000 could mean a lot to a fringe players' career earnings and they could still be traded to a contender at the TDL if they perform well.
Why would the Hawks resign a player like AA for $3 mil+ that they could not move at this TDL because of his $3 mil cap hit?
- -Doh-

Because they are $20 million beneath the cap floor. Penalty is loss of KD,s coveted draft choices. They have 8 open slots. If you sign RFA’s Anderson, Kurashev and even Mitchell for a combined $5 mil, you now have 5 slots to get to $15 million

Plus you probably have to promotevSoderblom to play with Mrazek.that leaves 4 slots and $14 million.

I disagree. You may need to overpay a little, but if someone offers a fringe player $2 mil and the Hawks offer $2.25 or $2.5 mil the player could sign. According to Capfriendly there are over 1100 players signed to contracts less than $2 mil. Of course most are on entry level contracts. I am not saying a star, but a Lafferty, Raddysh, Joey Anderson type. $250,000 to $500,000 could mean a lot to a fringe players' career earnings and they could still be traded to a contender at the TDL if they perform well.
Why would the Hawks resign a player like AA for $3 mil+ that they could not move at this TDL because of his $3 mil cap hit?
- -Doh-

Ok, the Hawks should sign Jonathan Drouin that if he isn’t hurt 1/2 the time probably couldn’t be moved either.

Ok, the Hawks should sign Jonathan Drouin that if he isn’t hurt 1/2 the time probably couldn’t be moved either.
- LAHawk

There are plenty of teams that need cap space to sign players, they will be able to take on another bad contract easily.

And There's always Patrick Kane, i know i know you can never go home.

Maybe we can help the Jets out and take DuBois off their hands since they are going to have a tough time signing him, but probably more like Blake Wheeler plus prospects or picks

There are plenty of teams that need cap space to sign players, they will be able to take on another bad contract easily.

And There's always Patrick Kane, i know i know you can never go home.

Maybe we can help the Jets out and take DuBois off their hands since they are going to have a tough time signing him, but probably more like Blake Wheeler plus prospects or picks
- BetweenTheDots

Wheeler has a NMC, I highly doubt he would waive to come to Chicago.

Kane wants to go to a team with the chance to win a cup.

Hawks aren’t the only team with cap space. Arizona. Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, New a Jersey, Nashville, etc., etc. all have cap space to add players.

Whoever the Hawks sign, is becgause that player has been rejected by a more preferable ( to the player) destination.

Richardinson and Katchook came in trades. So did Lafferty. Mc Cabe couldn’t wait to get out of here. T. Johnson with his contract is unmoveable.

Who else did KD sign last year besides AA and Domi (and with Kane and Towes still on the roster, J. Johnson?

Will be real fun watching Drouin and Okposo getting first line minutes as overpays in order to get to the cap floor.
- LAHawk

Fair points but remember KD didn't sign Kubalik or Strome. He didn't want more vets than AA and Domi........ I don't remember a team not getting to the cap floor or get penalized for it. Did I miss one?

Agree, it will be interesting to watch KD get to the cap floor in fact all his moves are/will be in unchartered waters . If they win the Bedard Sweepstakes, or get Fantilli, will KD get a legit FA, or enforcer (Lucic/Reaves), to skate with him? A combination of Domi/AA types and bad contract(s) to get to the floor?

Big list of FA possibilities at CapFriendly. https://www.capfriendly.c...ts/2024?stats-season=2023

Fair points but remember KD didn't sign Kubalik or Strome. He didn't want more vets than AA and Domi........ I don't remember a team not getting to the cap floor or get penalized for it. Did I miss one?

Agree, it will be interesting to watch KD get to the cap floor in fact all his moves are/will be in unchartered waters . If they win the Bedard Sweepstakes, or get Fantilli, will KD get a legit FA to skate with him? A combination of Domi/AA types and bad contract(s) to get to the floor?

Big list of FA possibilities at CapFriendly. https://www.capfriendly.c...ts/2024?stats-season=2023
- Mr Ricochet

C,mon Ricco, I would hope by now that I don’t make poop up:

This would fall under the CBA’s general concept of violation of the CBA referred to as a “Circumvention”, in this case a Circumvention by a Club or Club Actor. (Note: the CBA doesn’t actually use the terms “salary cap” or “cap floor” anywhere (I imagine because it’s a dirty, dirty, naughty expression as far as the NHLPA is concerned), but instead uses the terms “Team Payroll Range” to describe the range between what we lay folk would call the “cap floor” and the “cap ceiling”, and then calls the cap floor the “Lower Limit” of the “Team Payroll Range” and the salary cap ceiling the “Upper Limit” of the “Team Payroll Range”. (For regulars at Nucksmisconduct, you’d be aware that such dry legalese language like this tends to give me a lawyer-boner)).
Anyway, Section 26.3 of the CBA states that No Club or Club Actor may take or fail to take any action whatsoever if doing so (or failing to do so) has the effect of defeating or Circumventing the provisions of the CBA, and specifically mentions that matters concerning the Team Payroll Range (i.e. salary cap floor) are included.
The Commissioner of the NHL (the right honourable Gary Bettman, full of grace) and the Executive Director of the NHLPA (Donald Fehr) each have the authority to investigate any possible instances of Circumvention of the CBA.
If the NHL side and the NHLPA side agree to a resolution to the Circumvention investigation, well then it is so resolved (and it may never be made public that an investigation has occurred).
If there is no agreement on a resolution, then an independent arbitrator (or, as the CBA calls him/her, the “System Arbitrator”) is assigned to determine if in fact a Circumvention has occurred.
If the arbitrator declares that a Circumvention has occurred as a result of a team falling below the cap floor, then Gary Bettman, king of kings, gets to don his best black leather mask and/or ass-less chaps and grab his favourite whip or whips and divvy out some delicious punishment. Potential punishment options include:
a. A fine of at least $1 million and no more than $5 million dollars, with an equal amount of reduction in cap ceiling for the team the next season. This punishment is mandatory for violations of the Team Payroll Range (i.e. cap floor), the only type of Circumvention that has a mandatory punishment.
b.Forfeiture of draft picks (Gary can decide how many, from what rounds, and in what draft years).
c. Suspension of Club employees (“you’ve been a naughty little GM, Joey N!”)
d. Spanking.

Ok, the Hawks should sign Jonathan Drouin that if he isn’t hurt 1/2 the time probably couldn’t be moved either.
- LAHawk

Please, try and keep Drouin's name off all Hawk's blogs. He was the 3rd overall pick in 2013 (did Stevie Y draft him?) and is an example of a high pick bust. We don't wanna put any bad mojo in the air.

But yea, Drouin, who's hit 50+ points twice, might be a fit on a 1 yr 3 milish deal. Skilled enough to be a top 6 guy on next yrs roster and the kind of guy who may have few options and at only 27 yrs old looking for a chance to prove himself as he'll get top 6 minutes and PP time with CHI.

C,mon Ricco, I would hope by now that I don’t make poop up:

This would fall under the CBA’s general concept of violation of the CBA referred to as a “Circumvention”, in this case a Circumvention by a Club or Club Actor. (Note: the CBA doesn’t actually use the terms “salary cap” or “cap floor” anywhere (I imagine because it’s a dirty, dirty, naughty expression as far as the NHLPA is concerned), but instead uses the terms “Team Payroll Range” to describe the range between what we lay folk would call the “cap floor” and the “cap ceiling”, and then calls the cap floor the “Lower Limit” of the “Team Payroll Range” and the salary cap ceiling the “Upper Limit” of the “Team Payroll Range”. (For regulars at Nucksmisconduct, you’d be aware that such dry legalese language like this tends to give me a lawyer-boner)).
Anyway, Section 26.3 of the CBA states that No Club or Club Actor may take or fail to take any action whatsoever if doing so (or failing to do so) has the effect of defeating or Circumventing the provisions of the CBA, and specifically mentions that matters concerning the Team Payroll Range (i.e. salary cap floor) are included.
The Commissioner of the NHL (the right honourable Gary Bettman, full of grace) and the Executive Director of the NHLPA (Donald Fehr) each have the authority to investigate any possible instances of Circumvention of the CBA.
If the NHL side and the NHLPA side agree to a resolution to the Circumvention investigation, well then it is so resolved (and it may never be made public that an investigation has occurred).
If there is no agreement on a resolution, then an independent arbitrator (or, as the CBA calls him/her, the “System Arbitrator”) is assigned to determine if in fact a Circumvention has occurred.
If the arbitrator declares that a Circumvention has occurred as a result of a team falling below the cap floor, then Gary Bettman, king of kings, gets to don his best black leather mask and/or ass-less chaps and grab his favourite whip or whips and divvy out some delicious punishment. Potential punishment options include:
a. A fine of at least $1 million and no more than $5 million dollars, with an equal amount of reduction in cap ceiling for the team the next season. This punishment is mandatory for violations of the Team Payroll Range (i.e. cap floor), the only type of Circumvention that has a mandatory punishment.
b.Forfeiture of draft picks (Gary can decide how many, from what rounds, and in what draft years).
c. Suspension of Club employees (“you’ve been a naughty little GM, Joey N!”)
d. Spanking.
- LAHawk

LA, I'm not being combative. What part of my post inferred you were making stuff up and/or would be cap circumvention?

LA, I'm not being combative. What part of my post inferred you were making stuff up and/or would be cap circumvention?
- Mr Ricochet

I am the combative one right now, just a lot of personal poop going on that is out of my control.