the teams you listed don't have good young goalies, they are established stars. Helly is an upgrade on almost all of them, but to your point - those teams would not trade for Helly.
- 2.0

What is an example of a "good young goalie?" Goalies are notoriously inconsistent. Shesterkin was amazing last year and merely good this season. Ullmark was great this year, but only a solid goalie over his career prior. Vasilevskiy and Hellebuyck are two star goalies with 6+ years of consistently good play.
Gibson will be 30 with four straight years of mediocre play where his backups were at least as good as him. He's a complete liability on his contract. As many have speculated, if Anaheim could have traded Gibson for anything of value he would have been traded by now.

Deadline deal. Need to distance from the end of the season. His rep won’t be good around the league, and we’ll probably sell low on PLD as is
- Rexypoo

I’d never risk that, he gets hurt we get nothing

the teams you listed don't have good young goalies, they are established stars. Helly is an upgrade on almost all of them, but to your point - those teams would not trade for Helly.
- 2.0

Nah, all those guys except Gus are better goalies then Helle and in time he might end up better too.

You too can have 25 games of Vlad Namestnikov for the low, low cost of Mikey Nee Mexico (and you pay half his salary) AND a 4th round pick!

Anyway, 2 year deal in Tampa for our latest evaluation mistake
- Rexypoo

Wasn't it that they waived Eyssimont cause they didn't want to waive Kuhlman?

The team's mid-late season performance did him in.
- bennythehat

Makar missed a quarter of the season, he shouldn't of been a finalist at all imo.

Who votes for the Norris?

This just seems like a Winnipeg snub to me, if JoMo has this same season on Columbus or Buffalo he's a finalist.

What would you all expect in a package for Hellebuyck? Or do you even expect he would be available?
- jfkst1

Would Pickering and a 1st be too much?

Would Pickering and a 1st be too much?
- JetFuel

That's a very reasonable ask IMO. Appreciate the grounded assessment.

What is an example of a "good young goalie?" Goalies are notoriously inconsistent. Shesterkin was amazing last year and merely good this season. Ullmark was great this year, but only a solid goalie over his career prior. Vasilevskiy and Hellebuyck are two star goalies with 6+ years of consistently good play.
Gibson will be 30 with four straight years of mediocre play where his backups were at least as good as him. He's a complete liability on his contract. As many have speculated, if Anaheim could have traded Gibson for anything of value he would have been traded by now.
- jfkst1

Knight, Schmid, Hart, Skinner, Samsonov, Vejmelka, Georgiev - not saying there is a trade to be had for all these guys but they are all 26 and under with upside. There are also some very highly regarded prospects that could be part of the return. Even if they play a couple years in the AHL (like Helly did before getting established) they provide organizational depth while goalies like Arvid Holm get their shot with the Jets.

Would Pickering and a 1st be too much?
- JetFuel

A stay at home defenseman a couple years from being an NHL regular and a 20th overall 1st round pick is a good start but were not there yet for CH.

Knight, Schmid, Hart, Skinner, Samsonov, Vejmelka, Georgiev - not saying there is a trade to be had for all these guys but they are all 26 and under with upside. There are also some very highly regarded prospects that could be part of the return. Even if they play a couple years in the AHL (like Helly did before getting established) they provide organizational depth while goalies like Arvid Holm get their shot with the Jets.
- 2.0

Knight and Schmid are not proven NHL regulars and with goalies, they might never be anything. Hart and Vejmelka (turning 27 in two weeks) have been very average. Georgiev is good, but also is 27 now. Samsonov and Skinner are the only two that I could see meeting this standard. Skinner is cheap and locked up so he isn't getting traded. So Samsonov on his expiring RFA contract is remaining. Given Toronto's cap situation, they would likely rather just keep Samsonov for cheaper.

A stay at home defenseman a couple years from being an NHL regular and a 20th overall 1st round pick is a good start but were not there yet for CH.
- 2.0

Doubt they'd get much more for Hellebuyck, maybe an extra piece or two but neither would be anything of significant value.

Now if the Jets could also get goalie prospect
Joël Blomqvist from the Pens that'd be an awesome return, if I was Chevy I'd be willing to add a bit to get those three pieces from Pittsburgh and would be willing to take back some cap to make it work for Pittsburgh.

Doubt they'd get much more for Hellebuyck, maybe an extra piece or two but neither would be anything of significant value.

Now if the Jets could also get goalie prospect
Joël Blomqvist from the Pens that'd be an awesome return, if I was Chevy I'd be willing to add a bit to get those three pieces from Pittsburgh and would be willing to take back some cap to make it work for Pittsburgh.
- JetFuel

A goalie prospect can come in any of the deals for Shief, Helle or PLD you don’t have to focus on getting one solely in the Helle deal.

Helle would have a bidding war!!! Take the best deal, with the best prospect included no matter of position.

I suspect these teams could be very interested ( the one that wins the cup this year will not )

NJ
LA
DET
PIT
OTT
EDM
TOR
CAR
Vegas

A goalie prospect can come in any of the deals for Shief, Helle or PLD you don’t have to focus on getting one solely in the Helle deal.

Helle would have a bidding war!!! Take the best deal, with the best prospect included no matter of position.

I suspect these teams could be very interested ( the one that wins the cup this year will not )

NJ
LA
DET
PIT
OTT
EDM
TOR
CAR
Vegas
- Ross77

I agree with this comment!

On a different note, Gerald Gallant out in New York! Predictable I would say!

Further to this, I don't think the Jets head coaching situation is settled by any stretch of the imagination. I know what Chevy said at the year end presser - bu there was a lot said at that time that I have a hard time believing, or rather "don't believe."

Rick Bowness coming back? Yes, they said he was ......but?

A stay at home defenseman a couple years from being an NHL regular and a 20th overall 1st round pick is a good start but were not there yet for CH.
- 2.0

Where you are getting the 20th overall from? PIT missed the postseason. Their current 1st will be 4-14 overall based on the lottery.
https://www.nhl.com/news/...tery-odds-set/c-343564928

Hellebuyck is superb. However, I'd ask for some frame of reference where a goalie trade brought back three prime assets?

Where you are getting the 20th overall from? PIT missed the postseason. Their current 1st will be 4-14 overall based on the lottery.
https://www.nhl.com/news/...tery-odds-set/c-343564928

Hellebuyck is superb. However, I'd ask for some frame of reference where a goalie trade brought back three prime assets?
- jfkst1

Are you asking for Connor Hellebuyck or Dave (the save) Rittich?

Wasn't it that they waived Eyssimont cause they didn't want to waive Kuhlman?
- JetFuel

Yes. Shortly after passing on Milano, who was great for the Caps.

Nah, all those guys except Gus are better goalies then Helle and in time he might end up better too.
- JetFuel

What an insane thing to say. There’s like 5 goalies in the entire NHL you can trust to be elite year over year. Helle is one of them, and arguably the most established.
The others being the two Russians running New York, Vasy, and Saros

What an insane thing to say. There’s like 5 goalies in the entire NHL you can trust to be elite year over year. Helle is one of them, and arguably the most established.
The others being the two Russians running New York, Vasy, and Saros
- Rexypoo

Helle just doesn't do it for me, I'd take any of those prior mentioned goalies over Helle any day, Demko too.

And in a winner take all single game if I was asked who would be my goalie of choice there's many I'd pick before Hellebuyck.

Are you asking for Connor Hellebuyck or Dave (the save) Rittich?
- grahamzky

So what would you expect back in a trade for Helle then?

Helle just doesn't do it for me, I'd take any of those prior mentioned goalies over Helle any day, Demko too.

And in a winner take all single game if I was asked who would be my goalie of choice there's many I'd pick before Hellebuyck.
- JetFuel

The man has a very strong case for being the best goalie overall since he entered the league. What an utterly insane thing to say about the guy who has kept us out of the lottery race for 5 years now

The man has a very strong case for being the best goalie overall since he entered the league. What an utterly insane thing to say about the guy who has kept us out of the lottery race for 5 years now
- Rexypoo

Well you have an insane love for Helle, that much is clear.

So what would you expect back in a trade for Helle then?
- JetFuel

I would guess that for all of Helle, Scheifele and PLD that we would get back, roughly a player, a top-end prospect and a high draft pick.

Of course this could vary, the Jets adding a second player or whatever, and the other team adding a 2nd prospect/player.

But since Helle is, IMO, one of top five tenders in the NHL, I would expect at least a decent player (no matter the position), a top end prospect and a 1st rd'er. Maybe +.

Teams that get knocked out early in the playoffs but feel they are only a goalie away from Lord Stanley (like LA) will be chomping at the bit for Helle. Could see a bidding war!

We're not trading garbage here!

But since Helle is, IMO, one of top five tenders in the NHL, I would expect at least a decent player (no matter the position), a top end prospect and a 1st rd'er. Maybe +.

Teams that get knocked out early in the playoffs but feel they are only a goalie away from Lord Stanley (like LA) will be chomping at the bit for Helle. Could see a bidding war!

We're not trading garbage here!
- grahamzky

I think you're expecting more than teams will offer for a goalie in general. What goalie trade in the cap era brought back the package you are looking for? I think Hellebuyck is superb. But he's 30 and best case scenario, will be getting at least a minor pay raise on his extension into his very likely declining years. Corey Schneider is probably the best value anyone has gotten for a goalie and he went for a single 9th overall in a mediocre draft year.

I think you're expecting more than teams will offer for a goalie in general. What goalie trade in the cap era brought back the package you are looking for? I think Hellebuyck is superb. But he's 30 and best case scenario, will be getting at least a minor pay raise on his extension into his very likely declining years. Corey Schneider is probably the best value anyone has gotten for a goalie and he went for a single 9th overall in a mediocre draft year.
- jfkst1

No, not sure of any modern day Vezina winning goalies who have been traded in their primes, as Helle is. But pretty sure I wouldn't compare Hellebuyck to Schneider.

That's the thing, top-5 NHL goalies just don't come on the market every day, or for years. I would think when they do, they would fetch a hefty return. But I think we'll see as I doubt Helle returns to The Peg.

I would guess that for all of Helle, Scheifele and PLD that we would get back, roughly a player, a top-end prospect and a high draft pick.

Of course this could vary, the Jets adding a second player or whatever, and the other team adding a 2nd prospect/player.

But since Helle is, IMO, one of top five tenders in the NHL, I would expect at least a decent player (no matter the position), a top end prospect and a 1st rd'er. Maybe +.

Teams that get knocked out early in the playoffs but feel they are only a goalie away from Lord Stanley (like LA) will be chomping at the bit for Helle. Could see a bidding war!

We're not trading garbage here!
- grahamzky

Well no none of these guys are garbage and no one said they were but theres factors that will probably lower their values.
-Dubois value was tanked by his agents comments and the persistent rumors of him wanting to go to Montreal, whether he gets traded to the Habs or another team I think the return will be the same
-Scheifele has glaring defensive issues and needs an attitude adjustment which surely the rest of the league can see which along with his age+contract status likely lowers his value
-As for Helle well there's a first for everything but goalies typically don't get monstrous trade returns and at his age Idk who's going to want to get involved in a bidding war to hand out a monstrous contract to a 31 year old tender to justify their trade investment

If the Jets can get a Fiala type return for each of 55, 80 and 37 that'd be great though I'm not sure they'll be getting A-prospects.