We need to take the best offers. I’ve never understood the, dont trade in your division argument. If someone in your division is making you the best offer that you feel is the best choice for your franchise, why pass that up?
- Ross77

the simple reason is because the fan base would never let it go if Helle (or other star) were traded to??? and then puts up star numbers everytime they play us.

the simple reason is because the fan base would never let it go if Helle (or other star) were traded to??? and then puts up star numbers everytime they play us.
- 2.0

See that NJ is now eliminated from the playoffs. Seems like they may just lack a goalie. H-m-m-m, just happen to know a team with a goalie that might carry them to "the promised land."

Would asking for G Scmid, RD S. Nemec and RW A. Holtz for Helle be asking too much? Not enough?

See that NJ is now eliminated from the playoffs. Seems like they may just lack a goalie. H-m-m-m, just happen to know a team with a goalie that might carry them to "the promised land."

Would asking for G Scmid, RD S. Nemec and RW A. Holtz for Helle be asking too much? Not enough?
- grahamzky

I think it would be expecting too much. Nemec and Schmid would be fair.
I’d be happy to be wrong!!
I also think ukka-pekka and savoi from
The Sabres or villardi, grans and Peterson from
The Kings are fair deals

I think it would be expecting too much. Nemec and Schmid would be fair.
I’d be happy to be wrong!!
I also think ukka-pekka and savoi from
The Sabres or villardi, grans and Peterson from
The Kings are fair deals
- Ross77

Too much from Devils - don't know, maybe, perhaps we add a prospect or Pionk then, and they add ??? Manitoba's Severson is a UFA - H-m-m-m?

Not a fan of proposed Sabres deal, but still love the possible Kings deal. Think that may be the best team to deal with (although I love my Devils deal). But not a Peterson fan, for whatever reason, would rather get a prospect like Turcotte added in - get a goalie in Scheifele/PLD deals.

Anyways sign and trade deal! (or receiving team has deal in place)

Hoping the PLD deal goes down before draft so we can get a draft pick - out there #5 overall pick from the Habs for PLD - not a fan of this. Others?

Too much from Devils - don't know, maybe, perhaps we add a prospect or Pionk then, and they add ??? Manitoba's Severson is a UFA - H-m-m-m?

Not a fan of proposed Sabres deal, but still love the possible Kings deal. Think that may be the best team to deal with (although I love my Devils deal). But not a Peterson fan, for whatever reason, would rather get a prospect like Turcotte added in - get a goalie in Scheifele/PLD deals.

Anyways sign and trade deal! (or receiving team has deal in place)

Hoping the PLD deal goes down before draft so we can get a draft pick - out there #5 overall pick from the Habs for PLD - not a fan of this. Others?
- grahamzky

I don’t want petterson either but to get more out of LA and to make their cap situation work I feel he would be a must include in any deal

I don’t want petterson either but to get more out of LA and to make their cap situation work I feel he would be a must include in any deal
- Ross77

I'd like to think the Jets are in the driver's sear here, right or wrong.

I would say to the Devils - Helle for Schmid, Nemec and Holtz

and

say to the Kings: Helle for Vilardi/Byfield, Clarke and Turcotte

If they say "no way" then look elsewhere. Got to think big!

Of course we could also circle back and add in a Stanley/Heinola if necessary.

But the trading of Helle, Scheif, PLD and likely Wheeler will make or break Chevy IMO.

I'd like to think the Jets are in the driver's sear here, right or wrong.

I would say to the Devils - Helle for Schmid, Nemec and Holtz

and

say to the Kings: Helle for Vilardi/Byfield, Clarke and Turcotte

If they say "no way" then look elsewhere. Got to think big!

Of course we could also circle back and add in a Stanley/Heinola if necessary.

But the trading of Helle, Scheif, PLD and likely Wheeler will make or break Chevy IMO.
- grahamzky

I don't think they'd get that good of returns for Helle, Scheifele or Dubois.

LA wasn't willing to part with Byfield or Clarke at the TDL.

Gotta think Nemec would be an untouchable for NJ.

Earlier comment about Dubois to NY, they weren't willing to part with Schneider for Eichel, highly doubtful they'd trade him now for Dubois, they're stacked at center and don't see how he fits there anyway.

Scheifele and Helle will be 31 when they sign their next contracts, are teams really going to fork over major assets for either of these guys, I don't see it.

I suspect the return for each of #37, 55 and 80 will be a
1st, low to mid level player and a B-/+ level prospect.

I don't think they'd get that good of returns for Helle, Scheifele or Dubois.

LA wasn't willing to part with Byfield or Clarke at the TDL.

Gotta think Nemec would be an untouchable for NJ.

Earlier comment about Dubois to NY, they weren't willing to part with Schneider for Eichel, highly doubtful they'd trade him now for Dubois, they're stacked at center and don't see how he fits there anyway.

Scheifele and Helle will be 31 when they sign their next contracts, are teams really going to fork over major assets for either of these guys, I don't see it.

I suspect the return for each of #37, 55 and 80 will be a
1st, low to mid level player and a B-/+ level prospect.
- JetFuel

This is a well thought out post. I look at the returns that Ottawa got for Stone, Karlsson and Duchene. Only in the Karlsson deal were they able to get a really good first. The first in the Duchene deal does not seem to have worked out. They also got lucky that San Jose sucked and that pick ended up being Stutzle.

The Stone deal by and large has been a massive L for Ottawa. The return in the Duchene deal from Columbus was underwhelming. The only reason that the Karlsson deal looks even remotely looks good is due to the fact that for some reason San Jose could not get their stuff together. Even then Karlsson is on par with guys like Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin and McDavid. If you consider that, then his return too was underwhelming.

I'd like to think the Jets are in the driver's sear here, right or wrong.

I would say to the Devils - Helle for Schmid, Nemec and Holtz

and

say to the Kings: Helle for Vilardi/Byfield, Clarke and Turcotte

If they say "no way" then look elsewhere. Got to think big!

Of course we could also circle back and add in a Stanley/Heinola if necessary.

But the trading of Helle, Scheif, PLD and likely Wheeler will make or break Chevy IMO.
- grahamzky

There has been no one in recent memory trades for that much
But I’d love to be wrong.
We are not really in drivers seat, we will get the most from a team that Helle will re up with.
Yes the three big trades are huge. Wheeler will not bring anything back and is a possible buy out

I'd like to think the Jets are in the driver's sear here, right or wrong.

I would say to the Devils - Helle for Schmid, Nemec and Holtz

and

say to the Kings: Helle for Vilardi/Byfield, Clarke and Turcotte

If they say "no way" then look elsewhere. Got to think big!

Of course we could also circle back and add in a Stanley/Heinola if necessary.

- grahamzky

Hellebuyck is in the driver's seat- not Winnipeg. If he will only re-sign with a few teams that will reduce the return value. If he says he doesn't want to discuss contract extensions at all, the return will be very underwhelming as a rental. Your trade proposals are...very optimistic and heavily dependent on Hellebuyck being open to extending with many teams to drive up the bidding. I suspect he will have a few select teams he wants to play for and that will limit most trade options.

I am not going to speculate who goes where as Chevy retools the roster somewhat. My thought is this. If you look at how unbelievably quickly both Vegas and Seattle started challenging for the cup it becomes apparent that there is a model out there that doesn't necessarily require superstar type players on one's roster.

Look at the Kraken's roster and find me literally one name that has the offensive talents of Scheif , Connor, Ehlers, or Dubois or possibly the defensive talents of Morrissey. They just have a roster of very hard-working above average players with an upcoming star in Beniers. This is what should be the Jets model because few if any bonafide stars want to come to the Peg.

Lets face it, if you look at this year's playoffs and who had exits in the first two rounds , it has tended to be the rosters with star-studded overpaid players such as those found on the Leafs, NYR, Tampa, Bruins, etc. Aside from the exceptions like McDavid ,Draisatl , Tkachuk , etc who earn every penny, most of the winning rosters are full team efforts from more balanced hard-working rosters.

Two of any Yanni Gourde, Chandler Stevenson, Sam Bennett type players at $4-5 M per year is worth way more than one Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner, PLD, Panarin, etc, at $10 M+ . Fill the Jets roster with more of these type of names and the Jets will win more games. That's the retool we need....IMHO.

I am not going to speculate who goes where as Chevy retools the roster somewhat. My thought is this. If you look at how unbelievably quickly both Vegas and Seattle started challenging for the cup it becomes apparent that there is a model out there that doesn't necessarily require superstar type players on one's roster.

Look at the Kraken's roster and find me literally one name that has the offensive talents of Scheif , Connor, Ehlers, or Dubois or possibly the defensive talents of Morrissey. They just have a roster of very hard-working above average players with an upcoming star in Beniers. This is what should be the Jets model because few if any bonafide stars want to come to the Peg.

Lets face it, if you look at this year's playoffs and who had exits in the first two rounds , it has tended to be the rosters with star-studded overpaid players such as those found on the Leafs, NYR, Tampa, Bruins, etc. Aside from the exceptions like McDavid ,Draisatl , Tkachuk , etc who earn every penny, most of the winning rosters are full team efforts from more balanced hard-working rosters.

Two of any Yanni Gourde, Chandler Stevenson, Sam Bennett type players at $4-5 M per year is worth way more than one Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner, PLD, Panarin, etc, at $10 M+ . Fill the Jets roster with more of these type of names and the Jets will win more games. That's the retool we need....IMHO.
- jetsnation

Now McJesus and Draisatl are out. A balanced salary team definitely appears to be the way to go these days.

Now McJesus and Draisatl are out. A balanced salary team definitely appears to be the way to go these days.
- jetsnation

Yes, yet another team desperate - win now attitude - looking for an elite goalie to carry them to the promised land.

Don't see anything that makes any sense sensibly for the Jets and Oilers to be trading partners unfortunately.

Now McJesus and Draisatl are out. A balanced salary team definitely appears to be the way to go these days.
- jetsnation[/quote
yup a lot of teams with three good to great centers are all out of the playoffs. lets put that theory to rest as well

I am not going to speculate who goes where as Chevy retools the roster somewhat. My thought is this. If you look at how unbelievably quickly both Vegas and Seattle started challenging for the cup it becomes apparent that there is a model out there that doesn't necessarily require superstar type players on one's roster.

Look at the Kraken's roster and find me literally one name that has the offensive talents of Scheif , Connor, Ehlers, or Dubois or possibly the defensive talents of Morrissey. They just have a roster of very hard-working above average players with an upcoming star in Beniers. This is what should be the Jets model because few if any bonafide stars want to come to the Peg.

Lets face it, if you look at this year's playoffs and who had exits in the first two rounds , it has tended to be the rosters with star-studded overpaid players such as those found on the Leafs, NYR, Tampa, Bruins, etc. Aside from the exceptions like McDavid ,Draisatl , Tkachuk , etc who earn every penny, most of the winning rosters are full team efforts from more balanced hard-working rosters.

Two of any Yanni Gourde, Chandler Stevenson, Sam Bennett type players at $4-5 M per year is worth way more than one Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner, PLD, Panarin, etc, at $10 M+ . Fill the Jets roster with more of these type of names and the Jets will win more games. That's the retool we need....IMHO.
- jetsnation

I'm pretty sure that to date there has never been a $10m win the cup. Those that have signed for the big bucks after their win. for that trend to continue (it will eventually end) Florida can't be the winner as Bob is at $10m.

The Jets have been more on point with this philosophy, big contracts went to Buff and Wheeler in the days when they were earning them, but well short of $10m. The 3rd and 4th lines were bright spots for the Jets in the playoffs this year. The issue is the chemistry, poor mix of strengths and I don't have confidence in the coach. It all comes back to management, what they envisioned to be a winning combination isn't working - there is no identity for this team. The 2015 Jets were more fun to watch with thier consistent work ethic, physicality and connection to the fans.

There were a few turning points for this group around 2019 but one of the biggest ones was the Little injury. He had a somewhat reduced on ice roll at the time compared with a couple years earlier but still got PK time, 2nd PP time and played a steady low maintenance game. He was one of few on the team who scored goals by going to the net and ultimately this is where the injury occured.

I would like to see significant changes. I'm not stuck on buying out Wheeler or trading him just to reduce cap. If he has value then move him. PLD, MS, KC, NE, CP --- i have no trouble moving any of them. If they go without significant immediate return then CH can go too. Keep Morrissey, Lowry and a stick of dynamite.

After a mind numbing 2/8 in round one I followed it up with a 2/4 in round two. Got the Panthers in 5 and Dallas (called for 6 games). The pattern says I will go 2/2 this round.

I still like Dallas - goaltending, excellent defending team, can score goals a few different ways. Vegas is a deep team but Ottinger is an advantage over Hill. Stars in seven.

Carolina made me a believer. I am concerned about how they will manage against a physical grinding team like Florida but Brindamour - who was as good a captain as any in NHL history - has the team playing like he played. Carolina in 5.

I would like to see significant changes. I'm not stuck on buying out Wheeler or trading him just to reduce cap. If he has value then move him. PLD, MS, KC, NE, CP --- i have no trouble moving any of them. If they go without significant immediate return then CH can go too. Keep Morrissey, Lowry and a stick of dynamite.
- 2.0

If the Jets are planning on making significant changes then Lowry and Morrissey have to be included as trade candidates. Morrissey and Lowry’s values are never going to be higher and as such both could provide significant returns.

After a mind numbing 2/8 in round one I followed it up with a 2/4 in round two. Got the Panthers in 5 and Dallas (called for 6 games). The pattern says I will go 2/2 this round.

I still like Dallas - goaltending, excellent defending team, can score goals a few different ways. Vegas is a deep team but Ottinger is an advantage over Hill. Stars in seven.

Carolina made me a believer. I am concerned about how they will manage against a physical grinding team like Florida but Brindamour - who was as good a captain as any in NHL history - has the team playing like he played. Carolina in 5.
- 2.0

lol - I believe I was 50% in first round - 25% the second rd (Dallas) so you know which way my projectory is headed.

Don't believe there has ever been so many major upsets in the history of the NHL. But I only go back so far!

Anyways I'm going the same as you this round:

Dallas-Vegas - the Stars in 7

Caroina-Florida - the Panthers magic run will end. The Canes will be like "the cream" - and rise to the top. Canes in 6

Incidentally, many of those I know call my predictions - (the winners I pick) - "the kiss of death" for those I pick to prevail.

[quote=jetsnation]Now McJesus and Draisatl are out. A balanced salary team definitely appears to be the way to go these days.
- Ross77[/quote
yup a lot of teams with three good to great centers are all out of the playoffs. lets put that theory to rest as well

All the remaining teams have great Center depth.

Vegas: Eichel, Stephenson and Karlsson. Mark Stone like Panarin and Kane is unique for the fact that he plays like a center on the wing.

Dallas: Pavelkski, Hintz and Seguin. Pavelski and Hintz were on a PPG clip this past year.

Florida: Barkov and Verhaeghe, Reinhardt and Bennet. Barkov and Verhaeghe are essentially PPG centers. The other 2 performed extremely well.

Carolina: Aho and Necas both were essentially PPG centers. Kotkaniemi was one of the best 5v5 points per 60 in the NHL. And let’s not forget about Seth Jarvis.

Looking at the Jets we have nothing close to that. After 55 and 80, we are very weak compared to these teams at center.

If the Jets are planning on making significant changes then Lowry and Morrissey have to be included as trade candidates. Morrissey and Lowry’s values are never going to be higher and as such both could provide significant returns.
- TheUltimateJet

Sorry, have to disagree on this.

Carolina: Aho and Necas both were essentially PPG centers. Kotkaniemi was one of the best 5v5 points per 60 in the NHL. And let’s not forget about Seth Jarvis.
- TheUltimateJet

Aho and Necas were not even .9 points per game players. Aho Kotkaniemi and Staal are their top three centers. Necas doesn't usually play center and Jarvis never does. In the regular season Kotkaniemi was 180th in points per 60 at 5v5 for all skaters with over 500 minutes TOI this season. He's 10th on his own team in the playoffs . So not even remotely close to one of the best 5v5 point producers.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Aho and Necas were not even .9 points per game players. Aho Kotkaniemi and Staal are their top three centers. Necas doesn't usually play center and Jarvis never does. In the regular season Kotkaniemi was 180th in points per 60 at 5v5 for all skaters with over 500 minutes TOI this season. He's 10th on his own team in the playoffs . So not even remotely close to one of the best 5v5 point producers.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL
- jfkst1

Awww man, I guess the television guys lied to me. How was his possession numbers?

Necas 71 points in 82 games.
Aho 67 points in 75 games.

Both guys are close enough to .9 points per game. Aho for the most part has been a PPG player. Necas had a massive jump in production this year.

Sorry, have to disagree on this.
- bennythehat

Those are the last two players you would ever want to get rid of.

Those are the last two players you would ever want to get rid of.
- jetsnation

Yes with many of the big boys expected to be gone, would expect JoMo and Lowry to provide even more leadership on this team. They will be the veteran leaders now hopefully.

It would be a major shock if either one of these players is dealt.

Other than Connor, Ehlers, Perfetti, Lowry, Morrissey, Samberg, Barron, plus the kids, think everyone else is fair game. Would like to include Dillon and DeMelo in this, but.....?