something similar to what they retained for Burns but it also depends what going back the other way
- dmnted

I don't think it would be insane, if EK finally makes the call he wants to go to a contender at least.

a late 1st, Minten(early 2nd) and Connor Timmins? Maybe you have to add another prospect like Hirvonen who was a late 2nd and has held that value.

Maybe you can unload Murray in the same trade.

My point being he is still sneaky nasty.. which the Leafs could use. And he can score around the net.

I thought Kampf was really solid in the Cats series .. Accari needs to come back - Robertson is either now or never- Don't you need Kerfoot around just because he plays C and if JT moves to the wing.. A must IMO. You need a 3rd Line C and Kerfoot can do that ... and for all his faults Kerfoot is a very useful player with great wheels.
- dozerD10

his last cap hit was 3.5M, you think he'd want a raise on that and the Leafs would not be able to afford that after signing ROR and Bertuzzi @ 4yrs 5.5M cap hit each.

I want the new GM to explore Karlsson.

See how much they are willing to retain and cost.
- Santo_44

Like a Nylander for Karlsson deal? Didn't you argue incessantly with UG about how awful that idea was? I mean most of us did . . .

Like a Nylander for Karlsson deal? Didn't you argue incessantly with UG about how awful that idea was? I mean most of us did . . .
- Monkeypunk

Do not need to trade any of the core 4 if SJ is willing to retain him down to 7-7.5M.

Sammy and Woll tandem gives the leafs some space over the next few years.

Treliving absolutely sucks. I cant believe he is even being considered. Take a look at this trade history https://www.capfriendly.c...ades/staff/brad-treliving

What trade on there did he win? They are all mid to bad trades. People on here who hated Dubas will be wishing for him back if we get Treliving in the end.
- Archaic

Andy Strickland
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My point being he is still sneaky nasty.. which the Leafs could use. And he can score around the net.

I thought Kampf was really solid in the Cats series .. Accari needs to come back - Robertson is either now or never- Don't you need Kerfoot around just because he plays C and if JT moves to the wing.. A must IMO. You need a 3rd Line C and Kerfoot can do that ... and for all his faults Kerfoot is a very useful player with great wheels.
- dozerD10

For all of his faults, Kerfoot should be on another team using his great wheels to be a very useful player at whatever it is you think he's useful at. He is also not a C. He's a winger who has been plopped at C and fails there.

He doesn't win board battles. He engages in them. He gets knocked over a lot. He gets absolutely smoked once every five games or so and for a guy that doesn't like contact, it's bizarre to watch that Harvard brain not ticking along. He is out on the penalty kill because he has decent burst acceleration, but his PK unit, despite being deployed against the opposition's second unit, is usually very poor.

In short: I hope he does well somewhere else.

A stupid long post? Because I did some research and was curious? OF COURSE!
Ultimately it's this: Treliving has maybe more misses than hits. He spent too long trying to find a goalie, has drafted alright, has kept his firsts for the most part, but is tragically bad at signing Free Agents. Some trades were better than others (I'd call the Toffoli trade awful - and that includes knowing he just had a career year). I'd struggle to evaluate the Tkachuk deal, but ultimately his youth and overall ability make him the best player in the deal, no matter whether Huberdeau had an off year or not. I really like Huberdeau, but he's on the wrong side of his prime.

TRADES

Good

- Got a 2nd and 3rd for Glencross

- Got a 2nd (Rasmus Andersson) for Baertschi

- Acquired Hamilton for the #15, 45 and 52 picks

- Traded up to #60 to get Kylington for #76 & #83

- Traded Hamilton (with Ferland and Fox's contract) for Lindholm and Hanifin.

- acquired Lucic and a 3rd for James Neal (hate him or not, Lucic had 35 goals and 83 points and played 283 games for Calgary while Neal played just 84 games, did score 24, but only 11 were at 5v5 and he was a bad liability for his time there).

- Getting a 3rd for David Rittich

- Acquiring Zadorov for a 3rd

- Acquiring Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt (3rd rounder), and a 1st for Tkachuk and a 4th.

Bad

- Acquiring Brian Elliott for a 2nd (used for Kyrou) & 3rd - basically falling into the trap that he was way better than he was because of St. Louis' excellent defense .

- trading a 2nd (Formenton) for Lazar and Kostka

- acquiring Hamonic & 4th for 1st (Dobson), 2nd (Ishakov) and a 2nd (Bolduc)

- struggling to identify a goaltender from the onset and bouncing around on one to two deals - starting with Hiller and Ramo and moving through a sea of inadequate to adequate in Chad Johnson, Brian Elliot, Mike Smith, David Rittich, Cam Talbot (who was actually pretty decent for them) - before finally getting Markstrom.

- Acquiring Toffoli for Pitlick, Heineman (a former 2nd, acquired in the Bennet trade), a 1st, a 5th and a 4th.

- Acquiring Jarnkrok for a 2nd, 3rd and 7th

- Trading Sean Monahan to Montreal with a 1st that gives Montreal the better of Calgary or Florida's 2025 1st round pick.


DRAFT

- in 9 drafts, he had 6 1st round picks (Bennett, Tkachuk, Valimaki, Pelletier, Zary and Coronato. The first two were traded and the third was claimed on waivers; the last three are all still prospects, with Pelletier being the weakest of the three)

- they have a lower ranked propsect pool in terms of depth and skill; in their system it's fronted by Coronato by a fair bit, followed by Wolf and to me, Connor Zary - who still could be a decent middle-6 option.

- that said, the Flames under Treliving still built some of their better players through deeper parts of the draft: Mangiapane (166), Kylington (60), Andersson (53), Dube (56), Fox (66) - never played, but was used in the Hamilton deal).

FREE AGENCY / CONTRACTS

Good

- Signed Cam Talbot to 1 x $2.75m

- Signed Markstrom to 6 x $6m – and I know this is debatable, but he is a good goalie – I think last year had more to do with the team quitting and Markstrom eating it from his coach than regression or age

- Signed Coleman to 6 x $4.9m – also debatable, but @ $4.9 and the fact that I think at least 4 of the 6 years will be good, I give it a pass.

BAD

- Signed Hiller to 2 x $4.5m

- Signed Mason Raymond to 3 x $3.2m

- Signed Ramo to 1 x $3.8m

- Signed Troy Brouwer to 4 x $4.5m -> You can read the buyout when you see it

- Signed Michael Stone to 3 x $3.5m -> Also bought out; crazy enough Stone stayed in Calgary for 4 more years, including this one, on 1 year league minimum deals.

- Signed Derek Ryan to 3 x $3.2m -> Didn’t buy him out, but sure didn’t get value

- Signed James Neal to a 5 x $5.8m deal

Unknown

- Signed Weegar to 8 x $6.25m; I’m a huge fan of Weegar. On the surface, this is a great deal. The last couple of years might be touchy – with Weegar being 37 at the deal’s conclusion.

- Signed Huberdeau to 8 x $10.5m; a crappy first year notwithstanding, Huberdeau is an elite puck mover and should rebound from that year. Still a risky deal @ $10.5m until he’s 38. You sort of think you’re getting 3-4 good years and then it’s a boat anchor.
- Monkeypunk

Lots to digest! Trades and draft are pretty good considering they were largely a team in 'go for it mode'. You always overpay on gambles at the deadline. I strongly disagree on Tiffoli. A first and some stuff for a 30+ goal scorer with 2 years at 4.25M is a great find.

His UFA signings leave a lot to be desired for sure.

His RFA signings are pretty good though. Anderson, Hanafin and Lindholm at really good numbers for decent term.

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Sounds like Toronto job is Brad Treiliving’s to lose. #LeafsForever

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- GreatGigInTheSky

I cant wait for him to sign Loooooch

Andy Strickland
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Sounds like Toronto job is Brad Treiliving’s to lose. #LeafsForever

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- GreatGigInTheSky

As I said earlier, people will be longing for Dubas soon if Treliving is hired.....it would be so bad.

We can only hope this isnt true. JFJ all over again...its actually unbelievable

Do not need to trade any of the core 4 if SJ is willing to retain him down to 7-7.5M.

Sammy and Woll tandem gives the leafs some space over the next few years.
- Santo_44

$4m retained for 4 years? $6m of Patrick Marleau for 1 year was a 1st. $4m for 4 years? It's a lot more than you're thinking and a lot more asset capital than we have to give for that type of retention PLUS the best offensive defenseman in the game included in the mix.

That said balls to wall offense isn't going to win with the NHL continuing to make the playoffs the 1990s all over again.

I like Nico Sturm on the Sharks.

2M for 2 seasons. Big, good defensively and can pot goals.
- Santo_44

My vision is RoR at 2C (or a new/big acquisition if they go that route) and Kampf at 4C if he's at the right number. A new 3C needs to be Kampf-like defensively but with a bit more offensive chops and ideally costs less than $3M per. I thought Haula might fit that script.

Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
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Sounds like Toronto job is Brad Treiliving’s to lose. #LeafsForever

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Well poop
- GreatGigInTheSky

maybe he will Tkachuk this up and miss the playoffs

I cant wait for him to sign Loooooch
- drexel

Admittedly, that'd be fun.

My vision is RoR at 2C (or a new/big acquisition if they go that route) and Kampf at 4C if he's at the right number. A new 3C needs to be Kampf-like defensively but with a bit more offensive chops and ideally costs less than $3M per. I thought Haula might fit that script.
- The Law

Uncle Rico for that 3rd C role with us retaining 30% -

With Fantilli, McTavish, Gaucher and Lundy down the middle we can afford to trade him and he's only got 1 yr left.

I guess people see it differently, until last year...and the deadline additions of O'Reilly and Acciari...I saw a very stubborn GM that was employing his "Skill above all else" mentality throughout his tenure. I do believe the last year or so he began to deviate a little to add intangibles. But, my guess...tooo little, too late.
- hawk35

It's been at least 3 years that he started changing/molding his philosophy. He started with all skill/analytics only, moved on to adding that leadership was needed, and then finally, stated that some snarl was also needed.

$4m retained for 4 years? $6m of Patrick Marleau for 1 year was a 1st. $4m for 4 years? It's a lot more than you're thinking and a lot more asset capital than we have to give for that type of retention PLUS the best offensive defenseman in the game included in the mix.

That said balls to wall offense isn't going to win with the NHL continuing to make the playoffs the 1990s all over again.
- Monkeypunk

You are comparing completely different trades.

There is a crystal clear example that you are conveniently leaving out.

They retained around 8.5M over 3 years for basically free for Brent Burns. This is not a Marleau trade scenario.

Lots to digest! Trades and draft are pretty good considering they were largely a team in 'go for it mode'. You always overpay on gambles at the deadline. I strongly disagree on Tiffoli. A first and some stuff for a 30+ goal scorer with 2 years at 4.25M is a great find.

His UFA signings leave a lot to be desired for sure.

His RFA signings are pretty good though. Anderson, Hanafin and Lindholm at really good numbers for decent term.
- The Law

Fair enough. I mean, I'm not gonna crap on him until there's reason to, and a lot of GMs do better their second time through with what they've learned (do NOT look at Peter Chiarelli, he completely (frank)s my argument) - like Armstrong was pretty meh with Dallas, but quite good with St. Louis.

With the Leafs' additional resources, anyone with a cogent plan should have an advantage - that they most likely never had before.

Admittedly, that'd be fun.
- The Law

is he a ufa?

i dont care who they sign if its a mil or less
anything you can dump and not effect the cap..who cares

My vision is RoR at 2C (or a new/big acquisition if they go that route) and Kampf at 4C if he's at the right number. A new 3C needs to be Kampf-like defensively but with a bit more offensive chops and ideally costs less than $3M per. I thought Haula might fit that script.
- The Law

Sounds like ROR is gone and Kampf likely gets overpaid.

I think there are better options through trade for 3C.

They can have Acciari and Holmberg for 4C.

A first for Toffoli ...
A 3rd for Zadorov ...

Pretty good ...standard stuff. Signed Toffoli to a reasonable deal.

The whole world thought he pillaged FLA in the Tkachuk trade when it first happened. He did pretty well given that Tkachuk had control of the options.

A first, a decent prospect, Weegar (signed to decent money) and Huberdeau.

I would have opted for the rebuild and I think he overpaid Huberdeau but were it not for Sutter (Treliving's fault) and Markstrom having a terrible year I think that teams in the playoffs.

Again - I don't care if he's the guy or not but this idea that he's Chevyldayov is BS.
- The Law

I didn't. But that's mostly because I thought Huberdeau was pretty overrated from playing with Barkov and I've never liked Weegar (he still sucks).

Fair enough. I mean, I'm not gonna crap on him until there's reason to, and a lot of GMs do better their second time through with what they've learned (do NOT look at Peter Chiarelli, he completely (frank)s my argument) - like Armstrong was pretty meh with Dallas, but quite good with St. Louis.

With the Leafs' additional resources, anyone with a cogent plan should have an advantage - that they most likely never had before.
- Monkeypunk

Agreed. I think the part we can measure early is the 'vision'. That's it. Execution is sometimes like sticking your hand in a bag of candy and hoping you get the red one - difficult to predict.

It "looks" to me like Treliving likes a team built to play a little rougher. So if he's the guy, for me, that's a positive change. I think 34, 88 and 16 will play better with some more of that surrounding them - in meaningful positions.

if its tree livings job to lose, thats quite a process to find a new GM

leave every stone unturned

is he a ufa?

i dont care who they sign if its a mil or less
anything you can dump and not effect the cap..who cares
- senstroll

For sure - I think anything less than ~ 1.2 is demotable. Sign 3 lunatics and dress them against Boston Florida and TB all season!

if its tree livings job to lose, thats quite a process to find a new GM

leave every stone unturned
- senstroll

If he brings Lindholm I’m ok

if its tree livings job to lose, thats quite a process to find a new GM

leave every stone unturned
- senstroll

well im sure they put in a call to Cliff Fletcher