the NHL is hilarious.
Calgary interviewed a bunch of people for GM, but somehow the best for the job was a former Flame who played 500 games for them.

oh and dave nonis

The leafs are said to be targeting the guy who Calgary didnt want anymore...like a few weeks ago
- senstroll

In general it's pro sports. very much a closed circle. The fact Nonis has jobs in various organizations speaks to it.

Also, to be fair to him, I think he gets credited with being reasonable at scouting.

To be fair to Conroy, he's been in the calgary front office for 9 years. I think as AGM? He's ready to get promoted or go somewhere else.

You got me on the Treliving thing though lol

generational is a stretch
- drexel

Is it? Dating back to the 2007-08 season, which is as far back as the GSAx stats go (so 15 years), the only goaltender with a better performance was Oettinger and that was in a 7 game stretch last year against the Avs. Carrying it on over 13 games? But if you establish any goaltender facing at least 600 Fenwick events - basically someone who's played 2 rounds of hockey - you get this as your top 10:

Sergei Bobrovsky in 22-23 had a GSAx/60 of 1.42
Igor Shesterkin in 21-22 had a GSAx/60 of 1.18
Jonas Hiller in 08-09 had a GSAx/60 of 1.12
Mike Smith in 11-12 had a GSAx/60 of 0.86
Andrei Vasilevskiy in 20-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.75
Jonathan Quick in 12-13 had a GSAx/60 of 0.74
John Gibson in 16-17 had a GSAx/60 of 0.63
Marc-Andre Fleury in 07-08 had a GSAx/60 of 0.61
Jonathan Quick in 11-12 had a GSAx/60 of 0.61
Henrik Lundqvist in 11-12 had a GSAx/60 of 0.57


That is a drastic contrast per GAME between Bobrovsky and the next best goalies over the past 15 years.

Is it? Dating back to the 2007-08 season, which is as far back as the GSAx stats go (so 15 years), the only goaltender with a better performance was Oettinger and that was in a 7 game stretch last year against the Avs. Carrying it on over 13 games? But if you establish any goaltender facing at least 600 Fenwick events - basically someone who's played 2 rounds of hockey - you get this as your top 10:

Sergei Bobrovsky in 22-23 had a GSAx/60 of 1.42
Igor Shesterkin in 21-22 had a GSAx/60 of 1.18
Jonas Hiller in 08-09 had a GSAx/60 of 1.12
Mike Smith in 11-12 had a GSAx/60 of 0.86
Andrei Vasilevskiy in 20-21 had a GSAx/60 of 0.75
Jonathan Quick in 12-13 had a GSAx/60 of 0.74
John Gibson in 16-17 had a GSAx/60 of 0.63
Marc-Andre Fleury in 07-08 had a GSAx/60 of 0.61
Jonathan Quick in 11-12 had a GSAx/60 of 0.61
Henrik Lundqvist in 11-12 had a GSAx/60 of 0.57


That is a drastic contrast per GAME between Bobrovsky and the next best goalies over the past 15 years.
- Monkeypunk

what the hell is a fenwick event

what the hell is a fenwick event
- drexel

Know how corsi is the commonly used advanced stat name? Fenwick is the other term people used to use for it. I believe it was the person/chart that also became popular when advanced stats rose to main stream.

Know how corsi is the commonly used advanced stat name? Fenwick is the other term people used to use for it. I believe it was the person/chart that also became popular when advanced stats rose to main stream.
- Aaron_85

you get the Sunday Sun. You look up Save %. ipso facto you have your goalies sorted. Bob is 56th alltime.

new blog everyone

You don't need to watch to really know what's going on.

The funny thing is, with Bob doing so well, top end goalies, or percieved top end, just became worth way more to trade for. Wouldn't be surprised should a Hart, Helle, Saros and my hot take, Sorokin, being moved.

I personally think it's a soup de jour thing and an adequate goalie is all you need. As Monkey said, it's a generational performance.
- Aaron_85

Bob stopping damn near everything he sees. Panthers in front of him doing much better at limiting tip ins and rebound goals from in front, and just letting him see the pucks that are coming.
https://twitter.com/MikeK...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

The effort in front of him is helping Bob play at this other worldly level.
They’re not defensive stalwarts, but they don’t leave Bob hung out, like they so often used to, with silly unforced turnovers.
The Leafs first two minutes of game 2 is a great example of what Florida has cleaned up in their game. Last year’s Panthers those type of turnovers were a frequent occurrence. They just tried to outscore all of their mistakes. TB spanked them in round two for it.

Same here and I'm confused as to what people think the biggest reason the Leafs lost this year was.

I don't think it was a lack of offense from the Defense (as in they have so much invested in offense up front they shouldn't really be relying heavily on it) nor do I think it was goaltending where they should go and break the bank for a Helly or Saros (again both of whom haven't pulled a Bob in the playoffs ever so why?). To me it was a lack of physicality up front and that's where I'd be focusing most of my efforts along with some more / younger snarl on the back end.

Also interesting read this am from Elliot Friedman that Dubas was not in fact seeking full autonomy as many claim, & was simply seeking a seat at the table with the board to present his asks 1st hand vs him to Shanny, Shanny to the board, the board back to Shanny and Shanny back to Dubas.

The report is Dubas wanted a chance to speak to or sell his moves direct to the board & streamline the process by making it quicker but Shanny did not want this.

Who really knows the truth but that's a much different take than the one that has been tossed around where it's a pure power grab for Dubas.
- Cush29

I dont think they need Karlsson or something on defense, but they do need players who can finish at least a bit back there. They could use someone from the backend with a good shot for the PP too.

You cant rely on your big guns to get every single goal. You need support, and they have none on the backend to help. McCabe had a ton of opportunities for example, and couldnt get one.

Again, we can agree to ......GFY GG!

Jokes aside, I will never agree with NOT getting a gritty, hard-nosed C who can play wing. There's just too many soft, gentlemen on this team.

Dozz has it right, too much of the same and it's clearly not working. PLD is talented AF and could be great as a 2nd C or top LW. I sure as poop wouldn't say no especially if there's a sniff that Matty doesn't want to stay long term.

If they had to trade Matthews and got a huge return then added PLD. Tough to say no to that IMO.
- underhill14

How dare you, sir?!

When I say that PLD is a piece of poop, I don't mean the type of player he is. I mean him as a person. He's already worn out his welcome in Columbus and was basically there with Winterpeg, too.

Plus, he's not very good. He's just alright.

Newest Leafs excuse:

We got generational goalied.

We lost because of one word: Bobrovsky.

Certainly reliable goaltending at critical times came back to bite them in the backside again. Frankly if we want to hold Dubas accountable for anything, it's sort of that. Andersen had lost his confidence here - most of us knew he'd be fine in Carolina - and Campbell was a longshot to be the next Tim Thomas; Samsonov and Murray were always a HUGE roll of the dice and Murray's selling point was his playoff experience, but when the opportunity arose, they gave it to Woll - so why was Murray even here?

But really their downfall was that Bobrovsky has been otherworldly. They were in tight in the dirty areas. They played in front of him and around him and deflected pucks and got rebounds. Not as many as Tampa because Florida plays much dirtier around their net and in the playoffs that's "good defense" . . sometimes . . if the refs decide you're allowed to. Outside of a few stretches in a few games for the most part Florida has been outplayed all playoffs. Boston was better in 5 games, Toronto was better in 3 (or 4 depending on the metric). Carolina has been the better team in all 3 - although I will say that Florida was better through the last 3 OT periods of game 1. Florida didn't score their goals by crashing the net and being stronger. Half of their shots were just that - shots - that would not have beaten Bob.

So Boston, Toronto and Carolina are all getting goalied. Boston was ahead 2-1 in the series when Bob came in - and granted he got bombed in his first game, but then he found his footing and here we are.

People female dog that Toronto was too soft or Carolina is too soft. Was Boston? How much do you need to blow it up and how much do you need to tweak some things and get a better goalie. What Bob is doing is generational this year; you won't see it for another 10-20 years.
- Monkeypunk

And this is why I'm so opposed to throwing huge dollars to get an 'elite' goalie - because Bob's performance is lighting in a bottle. I mean hard to say that the Leafs would have won this year vs Florida with Helly or Saros in net vs Sammy and Woll isnt' it? Boston had elite goaltending all year and lost to Bob. Freddy has been lights out vs Florida and they are about to lose.

I don't think you can have "elite" goaltending, offense AND D in a cap era without one (or 2) of those 3 pieces is players playing way beyond their cap hit due to Entry Level deals or lightning in a bottle.

I feel like good goaltending is enough and you need a good balance of elite of F and D with the POS players sprinkled around the line up to make space for the elite talent.

The Leafs spending a bunch of money on an elite goalie just doesn't feel like it makes the difference to me if they can get a really good tandem with Woll as the back half of it in place.

And your bang on - Florida could very easily have lost in the 1st 2 rounds - they aren't this world beater, their goalie is right now for sure but even the great Jesus Price on a heater couldn't win the cup alone.

Vegas in 5.



It pains me to think either the Vegas or Florida fanbase will get a cup but my dislike for the Panthers > Vegas.

As it stands right now, Leafs got 6 D under contract. Rielly, Liljegren, McCabe, Brodie, Gio, and Timmins. I'm hoping they re-sign Schenn. And that makes it 7.

Is the hope then that Gio retires or Brodie gets traded? So a new guy coming in?

Rielly - Schenn (Liljegren here if/when Schenn gets a game off)
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie/New guy? - Timmins
Gio?
- GreatGigInTheSky

For me ....Schenn gives you 15'ish on the right side. I'm not ready to give Timmins and Lilly both 20+ mins per night. Factor in that Brodie is on the down slope and my gut tells me its time to get another above average piece on the blue line.

Bob stopping damn near everything he sees. Panthers in front of him doing much better at limiting tip ins and rebound goals from in front, and just letting him see the pucks that are coming.
https://twitter.com/MikeK...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

The effort in front of him is helping Bob play at this other worldly level.
They’re not defensive stalwarts, but they don’t leave Bob hung out, like they so often used to, with silly unforced turnovers.
The Leafs first two minutes of game 2 is a great example of what Florida has cleaned up in their game. Last year’s Panthers those type of turnovers were a frequent occurrence. They just tried to outscore all of their mistakes. TB spanked them in round two for it.
- Ratsreign

Why don't you keep true to your word and GTFO of here troll?