FTFY.
- mjones242

One of them wants to here, the other will be traded.

I’d put the chances of Marner being moved at below 50/50
- Canada Cup

Yes. As for Matthews, I don't know how anyone can be confident he is staying at this point.

Yes. As for Matthews, I don't know how anyone can be confident he is staying at this point.
- Interloper

You have to take him at his word.

You have to take him at his word.
- shack67

No you don't.

You have to take him at his word.
- shack67

I would never take a pro athlete's "word" about that kind of thing. This isn't an indictment of Matthews. Very few athletes are candid about this stuff, or much else for that matter.

Oof. Jays in last place.

Oof. Jays in last place.
- Aaron_85

AL East gonna be AL East.

AL East gonna be AL East.
- mjones242

We could always look down on the orioles but they have turned the tables

Yes. As for Matthews, I don't know how anyone can be confident he is staying at this point.
- Interloper

The primary concerns for these players are what?

1. Money
2. Winning
3. Lifestyle/Comfort

1. Money favours staying in Toronto.
2. Winning - Toronto's right up there - especially when you consider most contenders are already paying their own stars.
3. The record is pretty clear he loves it in Toronto.

Maybe he wants a change or wants to be a star in L.A. or NYC but those teams would have work to do to make that happen. I don't know how anyone could be confident that he's leaving at this point.

I like Dubas but I’m over it already. It’s a 24/7 job and if it’s too hard on your family you should try something else. It’s not much different than being an executive in any field, that’s why they make the big money.
- shack67

that was actually Florida not the Leafs, the Leafs have 386 games from drafted players in the same time.

there is not enough runway yet to really see how the Dubas GM drafting years end up.

We could always look down on the orioles but they have turned the tables
- Aaron_85

It really was only a matter of time.

Per the Jays, the offence seems to be struggling these days and the pitching staff, outside of Gausman and Bassitt, has been largely less than mediocre.

Sigh.

https://twitter.com/frank...&t=xdbwDZlJpKsy8vg5wHUWXg

After speaking with a few staff members at MLSE about the apparent rift between Shanahan and Dubas, I was told that it began in the 2021 offseason. Dubas had a deal in place to send a 2021 5th (#153) to Buffalo for Tage Thompson, but it was nixed due to lack of draft capital.


So uh, why did they fire Dubas?

It really was only a matter of time.

Per the Jays, the offence seems to be struggling these days and the pitching staff, outside of Gausman and Bassitt, has been largely less than mediocre.

Sigh.
- mjones242

We will see in another month.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravall/status/1661032332977922049?s=46&t=xdbwDZlJpKsy8vg5wHUWXg

After speaking with a few staff members at MLSE about the apparent rift between Shanahan and Dubas, I was told that it began in the 2021 offseason. Dubas had a deal in place to send a 2021 5th (#153) to Buffalo for Tage Thompson, but it was nixed due to lack of draft capital.


So uh, why did they fire Dubas?
- bryant

no way thats true

handcuff a GM like that.
cant be

no way thats true

handcuff a GM like that.
cant be
- senstroll

It was a fake account after reading the comments lol

I like Dubas but I’m over it already. It’s a 24/7 job and if it’s too hard on your family you should try something else. It’s not much different than being an executive in any field, that’s why they make the big money.
- shack67

It was a negotiation, a power play on his part all along, that he overplayed.

He's going to be working somewhere very soon.

AL East gonna be AL East.
- mjones242

Let's not blame the division here - the Jays have not been good.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravall/status/1661032332977922049?s=46&t=xdbwDZlJpKsy8vg5wHUWXg

After speaking with a few staff members at MLSE about the apparent rift between Shanahan and Dubas, I was told that it began in the 2021 offseason. Dubas had a deal in place to send a 2021 5th (#153) to Buffalo for Tage Thompson, but it was nixed due to lack of draft capital.


So uh, why did they fire Dubas?
- bryant

That would seriously suck if true. Like seriously suck.

Getting tired of the drama around this female dog ass Leafs club. Slowly becoming a non-fan after my whole life a being a real fan-atic.

Maybe it's time to move the Leafs to (frank)ing Quebec. The stench in Toronto with media and the Ballard curse might not be suitable for success.

Edit: just saw that is was fake news, that's (frank)ing annoying in and of itself. But point remains, always too much drama for such little reward with this club.

Let's not blame the division here - the Jays have not been good.
- fifty__missions

they were worse last year up to the same point..offensivly.

at least its a long ass season where stuff works itself out...mostly

It really was only a matter of time.

Per the Jays, the offence seems to be struggling these days and the pitching staff, outside of Gausman and Bassitt, has been largely less than mediocre.

Sigh.
- mjones242

The team's starters have the 9th best ERA in the Majors which isn't bad - you're right that it's largely buoyed by Gausman and Bassitt - and Kikuchi for a 5th starter has been excellent. I think Berrios has been mismanaged in that he's often left in too long - like until he screws up and then it's too late, but he's got about a 90 pitch cap.

The relievers are 16th in ERA, with a FIP that's 21st, so the fielders are saving their bacon a fair bit. I also feel the 'pen is mismanaged. Guys get overused, and they also warm guys up in the pen and then sit them down and then warm them up later - we've seen them do it with Zach 3 times in one game. That's not healthy. It leads to injuries and it leads to poor performance from the pitcher.

The bats have been ok - WRC+ is 10th, but while I don't have the stats handy, you feel like they just aren't hitting with runners in scoring position when it matters. Edit: The Jays are 24th in the league with runners in scoring position.

Lots of runway left for this team and there's a ton of room for them to get better than this, but there's a concerning pattern that runs right back to how we lost to Seattle last year. Lack of timely hitting and lack of consistent relief pitching.

It was a negotiation, a power play on his part all along, that he overplayed.

He's going to be working somewhere very soon.
- fifty__missions

If he doesn't and he takes a break, you going to take a break too?

If he doesn't and he takes a break, you going to take a break too?
- Aaron_85

Thanks, but no. Hopefully everyone can get behind a new direction and a fresh start.

Thanks, but no. Hopefully everyone can get behind a new direction and a fresh start.
- fifty__missions

looking forward to the new 95 point 8th seed fringe playoff team that wins multiple cups

To me the situation seems as simple as:
Toronto is a difficult environment to have any kind work-life balance. If he were to stay and continue to deal with the circus he wanted additional compensation. The higher-ups didn't seem like they way he tried to position himself to get that extra compensation and subsequently showed him the door. So for the Leafs it's status quo. Which is to say, on to the next guy to take all the blame.

To me the situation seems as simple as:
Toronto is a difficult environment to have any kind work-life balance. If he were to stay and continue to deal with the circus he wanted additional compensation. The higher-ups didn't seem like they way he tried to position himself to get that extra compensation and subsequently showed him the door. So for the Leafs it's status quo. Which is to say, on to the next guy to take all the blame.
- greenyone

shoot your shot, ask for what you feel you are worth.

they didnt go for it.. move on. he will get a gig somewhere else when he is ready. and that may be right now