Can’t understand why we are settling for Power becoming a UFA at 28 to save a mil or two on the cap now. Seems brainless
- sbroads24

Yeah this isnt where you want to do your cost cutting. It's the names lunaion brought up, the tweeners and guys on the fringes. Those are the tough decisions, because even in a compromise, you could still end up with a contract that is bad value.

Im more curious about these deals than the long term ones for dahlin and power. Can you get them to sign jarnkrok/whitecloud style team friendly deals? Or is it case where the points vastly exceed their on ice value and you've gotta sell high.

Well.....they also signed for 5 and 6 years. Terrible work.
- Lunaion

Terrible work is going overboard on Matthews and Marner's deal.

If the player/agent is adamant when it is a big name player like the two above, are you going to play fake hardball as the GM? To what end?

Look at the deal each got, and the timing of when Marner was signed.

Both got everything they wanted, including the ability to hit the mother lode a second time before each turned 28.

I'm unsure what you expected the team do in that situation.

Yeah this isnt where you want to do your cost cutting. It's the names lunaion brought up, the tweeners and guys on the fringes. Those are the tough decisions, because even in a compromise, you could still end up with a contract that is bad value.

Im more curious about these deals than the long term ones for dahlin and power. Can you get them to sign jarnkrok/whitecloud style team friendly deals? Or is it case where the points vastly exceed their on ice value and you've gotta sell high.
- Michael Ghofrani

As much as I’m not a huge fan, Krebs would be the guy I’d try to Jarnkrok/Whitecloud.

He might’ve been mentioned for this already but I didn’t really backread

Ideally you take the dahlin approach.

Rookie 3 year deal
Bridge 3 year deal
Max 8 year deal.

Have the player from 18-32 years old.

We discussed this in the past. The 3, 3 and 8 is an usual approach.

8 now for power, gets him ufa at 28ish, with plenty of hockey left in his career.

What's your chances of 3 vs 8 here % wise?
- Boss34

I don't disagree with the strategy to retain as long as possible.
On the other hand, if they boys haven't won the SC, maybe multiple times in the next 9 years (1 more ELC + 8 ON Long term) then maybe he is used as a chip to get some new currency?

Having the Cap go up significantly in 2 years could make those e suing3 years very, very expensive in its' own right.

I see the strategy each way

Yeah this isnt where you want to do your cost cutting. It's the names lunaion brought up, the tweeners and guys on the fringes. Those are the tough decisions, because even in a compromise, you could still end up with a contract that is bad value.

Im more curious about these deals than the long term ones for dahlin and power. Can you get them to sign jarnkrok/whitecloud style team friendly deals? Or is it case where the points vastly exceed their on ice value and you've gotta sell high.
- Michael Ghofrani

Interesting comparables, citing an undrafted defenseman and a 2nd round forward pick.

Who are them on the Sabres?

Krebs, Mittelstadt, then Quinn and Peterka?

Why would Krebs sign a long term deal at something like $2M-$2.5M per?

Hasn't the train left the station on the potential of Mittelstadt signing that kind of next deal?

>>> Before the Draft Trades
Buffalo Trades: Victor Olofsson (50% retained), and the 13th overall pick

Vancouver Trades: Tyler Myers, and the 11th overall pick

>>> Draft Day
First, a trade.

Buffalo Trades: Noah Ostlund, UPL, 11th overall, unprotected 2024 1st, and a 2025 2nd

Philadelphia Trades: Carter Hart and the 7th Overall Pick

>>> Buffalo selects at 7th overall: Matvei Michkov, RW, KHL

Buffalo selects at 39th overall: Gracyn Sawchyn, C/RW, WHL

Buffalo selects at 45th overall: Beau Akey, RHD, OHL

https://www.expectedbuffa...0-matvei-michkov-edition/

Interesting comparables, citing an undrafted defenseman and a 2nd round forward pick.

Who are them on the Sabres?

Krebs, Mittelstadt, then Quinn and Peterka?

Why would Krebs sign a long term deal at something like $2M-$2.5M per?

Hasn't the train left the station on the potential of Mittelstadt signing that kind of next deal?
- kingcong39

Im just citing players with team friendly deals they werent meant to be a comparison, just a direction they may try to go in.

>>> Before the Draft Trades
Buffalo Trades: Victor Olofsson (50% retained), and the 13th overall pick

Vancouver Trades: Tyler Myers, and the 11th overall pick

>>> Draft Day
First, a trade.

Buffalo Trades: Noah Ostlund, UPL, 11th overall, unprotected 2024 1st, and a 2025 2nd

Philadelphia Trades: Carter Hart and the 7th Overall Pick

>>> Buffalo selects at 7th overall: Matvei Michkov, RW, KHL

Buffalo selects at 39th overall: Gracyn Sawchyn, C/RW, WHL

Buffalo selects at 45th overall: Beau Akey, RHD, OHL

https://www.expectedbuffa...0-matvei-michkov-edition/
- kingcong39

Interesting

>>> Before the Draft Trades
Buffalo Trades: Victor Olofsson (50% retained), and the 13th overall pick

Vancouver Trades: Tyler Myers, and the 11th overall pick

>>> Draft Day
First, a trade.

Buffalo Trades: Noah Ostlund, UPL, 11th overall, unprotected 2024 1st, and a 2025 2nd

Philadelphia Trades: Carter Hart and the 7th Overall Pick

>>> Buffalo selects at 7th overall: Matvei Michkov, RW, KHL

Buffalo selects at 39th overall: Gracyn Sawchyn, C/RW, WHL

Buffalo selects at 45th overall: Beau Akey, RHD, OHL

https://www.expectedbuffa...0-matvei-michkov-edition/
- kingcong39

Easy yes.

Vancouver can keep the giraffe

Interesting comparables, citing an undrafted defenseman and a 2nd round forward pick.

Who are them on the Sabres?

Krebs, Mittelstadt, then Quinn and Peterka?

Why would Krebs sign a long term deal at something like $2M-$2.5M per?

Hasn't the train left the station on the potential of Mittelstadt signing that kind of next deal?
- kingcong39

Why would any young guy sign with buffalo long term at 2-2.5m after they just gave okposo that same aav? I know I know vibes and top5 and all

Flattish cap has also changed the environment a lot. The value range on Power comes down to about 1m now, easy to figure out.

In a way, it's simple with Power. A #1 pick and clear key to the future. What's next? Can't keep handing out these deals. Krebs is coming off an ELC, Mitts and Joker bridges. Quinn, Peterka, and Levi the following year. Tougher decisions.
- Lunaion

Good points.
With:
a) strong pipeline
b) core locked up long term
It seems to me that non-core pieces will be on ELC' leading to 3 year brdge deals...then when it's time to pony up for long term, expensive deals they will be dealt and replaced with prospects from the pipeline on ELC's.
To me that is the strategy that should be employed and a solid reason not to sell-off the pipeline because they can "afford to do so". Those are critical assets to use in the future to keep the wi down open for longer periods of time.
Case in point, trading Mitts rather than locking him up...replace him with Krebs..then replace Krebs with Savoie... on and on it goes.

https://www.diebytheblade...-look-at-jiri-kulich-ahl/

They should not be trying long term with him right now. It makes no sense to me.

Is he getting PP1 time or supplanting Dahlin anytime soon where he’s going to command 10+ mil?

Lock him up for as many years as possible.

Bridge for 2-3 then do 8
- sbroads24

Risky.
Didn't we learn from the Sam experience.
Lock him up now, worry about the 9 year future problem in 8 years.

Risky.
Didn't we learn from the Sam experience.
Lock him up now, worry about the 9 year future problem in 8 years.
- IonSabres

Can you give me one reason why Power himself would be motivated to lock himself up now?

Power is in a different circumstance than Dahlin and Reinhart were.

Can you give me one reason why Power himself would be motivated to lock himself up now?

Power is in a different circumstance than Dahlin and Reinhart were.
- sbroads24

well they'll give a lot of money. A 2-3 year deal gives him a lot of leverage to tkachuk them right in the middle of their window. 6-8 year deal is fine unless the number is outlandish.

It does make him a ufa in his late 20s but thats basically their compete window anyhow.

Im just citing players with team friendly deals they werent meant to be a comparison, just a direction they may try to go in.
- Michael Ghofrani

I'm struggling to think what team friendly deals would be for Mittelstadt and Krebs.

$3.5M to $4M per on a more than 3 year deal for Mittelstadt.

I'm even less sure on Krebs, who seems like a clear bridge candidate. $3M per on a 5 or 6 year deal? Would that even be team friendly enough?

Can you give me one reason why Power himself would be motivated to lock himself up now?

Power is in a different circumstance than Dahlin and Reinhart were.
- sbroads24

Yes, absolutely
Injury in year 1 or 2 and he misses out on $57m (or the insurance payout if less).
For clarity, my math can be found several pages back.

well they'll give a lot of money. A 2-3 year deal gives him a lot of leverage to tkachuk them right in the middle of their window. 6-8 year deal is fine unless the number is outlandish.

It does make him a ufa in his late 20s but thats basically their compete window anyhow.
- Michael Ghofrani

Ding, ding ding...we have a winner.

I'm struggling to think what team friendly deals would be for Mittelstadt and Krebs.

$3.5M to $4M per on a more than 3 year deal for Mittelstadt.

I'm even less sure on Krebs, who seems like a clear bridge candidate. $3M per on a 5 or 6 year deal? Would that even be team friendly enough?
- kingcong39

Really depends on what they project his impact to be and what the cap will look like a few years from now. Idk what their interest level will be either. Maybe they bridge and then trade.

Guess we will find out how it plays out with Power. It's gonna come down to him and what he feels.

Yes, absolutely
Injury in year 1 or 2 and he misses out on $57m (or the insurance payout if less).
For clarity, my math can be found several pages back.
- IonSabres

So Power should want to sign a team friendly long term deal 1 year into his career a year before the flat cap rises because he might get hurt?

People should prepare for a bridge. Power has no motivation to do an 8 year deal with us this offseason

Can you give me one reason why Power himself would be motivated to lock himself up now?

Power is in a different circumstance than Dahlin and Reinhart were.
- sbroads24

I think he could probably give you about 72 million reasons.

well they'll give a lot of money. A 2-3 year deal gives him a lot of leverage to tkachuk them right in the middle of their window. 6-8 year deal is fine unless the number is outlandish.

It does make him a ufa in his late 20s but thats basically their compete window anyhow.
- Michael Ghofrani

Power isn’t a RFA now. Chances are he gets better puck luck next season.

I can’t fathom a reason Power signs now as opposed to a year from now. It makes 0 sense

So Power should want to sign a team friendly long term deal 1 year into his career a year before the flat cap rises because he might get hurt?

People should prepare for a bridge. Power has no motivation to do an 8 year deal with us this offseason
- sbroads24

Nobody knows where his motivation lies. $72M doesn't lie.

I think he could probably give you about 72 million reasons.
- TheHank

He gets that deal and maybe more 1 year from now.