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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 1 @ 4:52 PM ET
so, in other words, you'll use the phrase to accommodate your narrative, got it.
- black_francis

The semantics on this will be real good
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 1 @ 4:55 PM ET
About the only players on that list that are consistent are Seeler, Couturier and Cates. Konecny for example had multiple goal scoring slumps last season including goal scoring slumps of 7 and 13 games without a goal. Consistency can be subjective and dependent on what one's definition of that is.

Even if we stipulate that all the players you listed are consistent. A total of 8 players. How many are on an NHL team? Take that number minus the 8 and that sure seems like an overwhelming majority to me.

- MJL

sanheim hart Risto and pretty much every player on the roster is consistent. Whether that is good or bad is another topic. You know pretty much what you will get from every player. Being streaky isn't the same as consistent.

Would love to hear why you thing why Nic D isnt consistent.

So in bold is not a fact just your take. Got it.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 1 @ 4:57 PM ET
As said previously, scoring is not the same as your games consistency. You can have a good game and not score. Listing a scoring slump proves nothing. If you had said TK went 4 games straight with 1 shot on goal that would be inconsistent. If he is still creating and it isn’t going in, still consistent. Try and keep up.
- ClaudeFather



Listing scoring slumps certainly factors in to consistency. Especially for an offensive player like Konecny. Those scoring slumps are very significant. Like I said, it's subjective.

In terms of keeping up. Showing your ignorance, one you're missing the point and the context. It's not about a debate on what consistency is.

I used your own list. You named 8 players. The Flyers had 19 players last season play 40 or more games. That's just skaters, not goalies, so I'm being generous there. 19-8 equals 11 players who are inconsistent according to your statement. If we look at every other team with the same exercise. What will we find? We'll find that I'm correct. Try and keep up. Good luck to you. I'm sure there will be insults and useless rhetoric to follow, bub.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 1 @ 4:58 PM ET
The semantics on this will be real good
- ClaudeFather


No semantics needed. Just simple math. Perhaps you need a calculator.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 1 @ 4:58 PM ET
Listing scoring slumps certainly factors in to consistency. Especially for an offensive player like Konecny. Those scoring slumps are very significant. Like I said, it's subjective.

In terms of keeping up. Showing your ignorance, one you're missing the point and the context. It's not about a debate on what consistency is.

I used your own list. You named 8 players. The Flyers had 19 players last season play 40 or more games. 19-8 equals 11 players who are inconsistent according to your statement. If we look at every other team with the same exercise. What will we find? We'll find that I'm correct. Try and keep up. Good luck to you. I'm sure there will be insults and useless rhetoric to follow, bub.

- MJL

There’s no reason to go any further here, TK was a consistent last year, if you don’t think so you need to be examined
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 1 @ 5:01 PM ET
There’s no reason to go any further here, TK was a consistent last year, if you don’t think so you need to be examined
- ClaudeFather


Like I said, useless rhetoric to follow. I provided facts to you and used your own list. Anyone with any decent knowledge of the sport, knows that all but the elite of the sport are inconsistent in their play and production. It's the nature of the sport. You won't be able to make an effective argument against. You going with "you need to be examined" is the extent of your intelligence.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 1 @ 5:02 PM ET
sanheim hart Risto and pretty much every player on the roster is consistent. Whether that is good or bad is another topic. You know pretty much what you will get from every player. Being streaky isn't the same as consistent.

Would love to hear why you thing why Nic D isnt consistent.

So in bold is not a fact just your take. Got it.

- hello it's me 2050

Listing a scoring slump like TK should score every other game lol can’t make it up. The best players in the league are streaky. Just more absurd subjective nonsense from Cliff
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 1 @ 5:02 PM ET
Like I said, useless rhetoric to follow. I provided facts to you and used your own list. Anyone with any decent knowledge of the sport, knows that all but the elite of the sport are inconsistent in their play and production. It's the nature of the sport. You won't be able to make an effective argument against. You going with "you need to be examined" is the extent of your intelligence.
- MJL

You can continue to choose to ignore what’s said to you. Showing your ignorance Cliff
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 1 @ 5:04 PM ET
Seeler, Risto, Coots, Atkinson, ND, Laughton, TK, cates, I’d consider them all consistent players. You know what you’re getting every night. Inconsistent probably frost, Tippett, Farabee, York. The rest of the group probably falls somewhere in the middle. Notice the inconsistency is usually among the younger players.
- ClaudeFather



From last year I would add. Brown, macewen, provie, sedlack and Allison. For what type of player they were Tda and tanner were consistent. Just not in a good way.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 1 @ 5:06 PM ET
From last year I would add. Brown, macewen, provie, sedlack and Allison.
- Peter Richards

Agree with that besides Provy. He was prone to some very sloppy games. The reality is the group of guys we have identified, a rather large list, would not be labeled inconsistent
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 1 @ 5:07 PM ET
Listing a scoring slump like TK should score every other game lol can’t make it up. The best players in the league are streaky. Just more absurd subjective nonsense from Cliff
- ClaudeFather


Look at Connor McDavid's game logs. Look at Dave Pasternak. The most games he went without scoring a goal was 3 games.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 1 @ 5:08 PM ET
Look at Connor McDavid's game logs. Look at Dave Pasternak. The most games he went without scoring a goal was 3 games.
- MJL

and did they have steaks of goals? You know it can work the other way right? Their lulls will be far shorter than a player like TK, but they also will have streaks of increased scoring. Try and keep ip
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 1 @ 5:08 PM ET
Listing scoring slumps certainly factors in to consistency. Especially for an offensive player like Konecny. Those scoring slumps are very significant. Like I said, it's subjective.

In terms of keeping up. Showing your ignorance, one you're missing the point and the context. It's not about a debate on what consistency is.

I used your own list. You named 8 players. The Flyers had 19 players last season play 40 or more games. That's just skaters, not goalies, so I'm being generous there. 19-8 equals 11 players who are inconsistent according to your statement. If we look at every other team with the same exercise. What will we find? We'll find that I'm correct. Try and keep up. Good luck to you. I'm sure there will be insults and useless rhetoric to follow, bub.

- MJL


Do scoring slumps matter for d men. You agreed seeler was consistent, what were his goal droughts?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 1 @ 5:09 PM ET
You can continue to choose to ignore what’s said to you. Showing your ignorance Cliff
- ClaudeFather


More rhetoric. How am I ignoring what was said to me when I used the list that you provided of who you claimed are consistent players? Make your case. Make an intelligent argument in response. You've lost. It's not the first time and it won't be the last.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Oct 1 @ 5:10 PM ET
Look at Connor McDavid's game logs. Look at Dave Pasternak. The most games he went without scoring a goal was 3 games.
- MJL

And again you’ve tried to make this a strictly one dimensional argument, when they didn’t score, how was their effort, were they generating shots, was their defensive side of the puck still good? Keep spinning
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 1 @ 5:11 PM ET
Like I said, useless rhetoric to follow. I provided facts to you and used your own list. Anyone with any decent knowledge of the sport, knows that all but the elite of the sport are inconsistent in their play and production. It's the nature of the sport. You won't be able to make an effective argument against. You going with "you need to be examined" is the extent of your intelligence.
- MJL

GTFOOH you turd
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 1 @ 5:11 PM ET
and did they have steaks of goals? You know it can work the other way right? Their lulls will be far shorter than a player like TK, but they also will have streaks of increased scoring. Try and keep ip
- ClaudeFather


Of course they will have shorter scoring streaks because they're consistent! How do streaks of increased scoring factor in? You're trying to move the goal posts here.

Did you find your calculator yet?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 1 @ 5:13 PM ET
And again you’ve tried to make this a strictly one dimensional argument, when they didn’t score, how was their effort, were they generating shots, was their defensive side of the puck still good? Keep spinning
- ClaudeFather


No, I haven't tried to make it a one dimensional argument. I've used facts to support my position. I welcome any facts you care to offer in the discussion to show that my premise is incorrect. We can certainly bring that into the discussion. I'm ready for you to do that.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Oct 1 @ 5:13 PM ET
Like I said, useless rhetoric to follow. I provided facts to you and used your own list. Anyone with any decent knowledge of the sport, knows that all but the elite of the sport are inconsistent in their play and production. It's the nature of the sport. You won't be able to make an effective argument against. You going with "you need to be examined" is the extent of your intelligence.
- MJL





if that is the case then I'd be in the NHL getting a contract like Sanheim
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 1 @ 5:14 PM ET
Of course they will have shorter scoring streaks because they're consistent! How do streaks of increased scoring factor in? You're trying to move the goal posts here.

Did you find your calculator yet?

- MJL



So someone who over their career CONSISTENTLY scores 15-20 a year isn’t consistent?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 1 @ 5:15 PM ET
Of course they will have shorter scoring streaks because they're consistent! How do streaks of increased scoring factor in? You're trying to move the goal posts here.

Did you find your calculator yet?

- MJL

also is it just hockey the majority are inconsistent? Or does it apply the other major sports
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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 1 @ 5:16 PM ET
anyone else having issues with double post?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 1 @ 5:16 PM ET
No, I haven't tried to make it a one dimensional argument I've used facts to support my position. I welcome any facts you care to offer in the dis.cussion to show that my premise is incorrect. We can certainly bring that into the discussion. I'm ready for you to do that.
- MJL

what facts have you used? Any links or data to back it up? fcs
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 1 @ 5:17 PM ET
anyone else having issues with double post?
- hello it's me 2050


More rhetoric I see. No. Lmao
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Oct 1 @ 5:24 PM ET
It was a stupid play call, and that last timeout by PHI was also stupid.
- PT21

So many bad choices by the OC. The time for excuses is over. He better get better. The “rust”, “nobody is a finished product”, “working out the kinks” excuses are OVER. This one was full of bad choices. For example running Jalen outside any time, and the 3rd and 11 run in the red zone settling for a field goal which almost lost the game. They need to get it together immediately
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