Deslauriers is feared by Sid and Geno tho.
- Minnyhock

Yeah, they fear that they wont be able to pad their stats by getting on the ice with him.

Insert eyeroll here ... this is a new Era of Orange, the rebuild is real, the kids will play ...

Seriously though, I would think you would be ecstatic right now; Frost is the 2C, the kids all made the team and RR is on injured reserve
- jd250

what is your favorite flavor of kool aid? orange?

How is a rebuild real when you kept 95% of the players who have real value and would expedite said rebuild if they were moved.

So if all 4 are not in the lineup how would you view that? If not for an injury, like previously stated many times, they would be in the press box. Less one of brink or forest

And you can all thank John Tortorella for this. He is the one that talked rebuild from the footings, before anyone else in the organization would dare to. He is the one that cleaned out the locker room of complacent players like Hayes and trouble-makers like DeAngelo. He is the one that convinced management the team needed to get younger. He is the one that played Cates in every situation last year, and the one coach that finally turned Frost in the right direction. And finally, I am sure he is the one that pushed for Brink, Foerster and Andrae to all make the opening night roster. It's about time Torts gets some credit here for finally talking some sense into Comcast and being the catalyst for this long overdue rebuild.
- jd250

thank him for what? signing staal and GH. Keeping ND in the lineup.

why are you sure? hell he wasn't even around much to coach.

He hasnt convinced management of anything. He is saying to himself man I get a legit #1 center back. A top 9 winger. Added a future coach on the ice in staal. Added GH and pohelig to form the best 4th line in hockey. Playoffs baby is the goal.

thank him for what? signing staal and GH. Keeping ND in the lineup.

why are you sure? hell he wasn't even around much to coach.

He hasnt convinced management of anything. He is saying to himself man I get a legit #1 center back. A top 9 winger. Added a future coach on the ice in staal. Added GH and pohelig to form the best 4th line in hockey. Playoffs baby is the goal.
- hello it's me 2050

don't mind the R.P. signing. Staal only makes some sense if they trade him at tdl. The old come play here and we will trade you to a contender. seeler and walker are also tying up spots, hopefully only for this year. (walker was a trade so get why they had to take him, but all the more reason why seeler should've been dealt last year.) plug in d men are always available if needed.

cam A. can be traded next year barring another injury.

Hathaway was different. seemed they overpaid a little but maybe a trade candidate as well. but probably next year not this.

hope they are not looking at the playoffs.

still at least 3 years away from making any impact. the d needs the most work imo.

Always start the season with hope. I hope the kids do play. What do I expect, a combination. Keep in mind not including last season the Flyers had consecutive seasons of EVERYONE being hurt. To the point they were not really icing an NHL team and most players were undervalued.

There is a case to be made, that the Flyers do need vets, along with the kids, just in case there is another injury riddled season. I am ok with all of it but ND. As long as Zamula gets his reps, Bobby and Tyson too, I am good. I fully expect Andrae to be sent down when RR is back, that is ok, not sure to many thought Andrae would be this close, but I won't mind him getting top minutes in the AHL. This is a 82 game season, the grind will provide plenty of opportunity for the kids. No telling how Bobby, Andrae and Tyson will respond to a 82 game haul.

I hope the vets play well and have trade value at the TDL and off-season. Just last year the organization finally was healthy and the value of most all finally started to rise. Another step forward this season, CAP goes up and DB will be able to make hockey trades. That is also my line in the sand, vets need to gone by summer 2024, use kid depth to re-shape depth in the organization. Cutter and MM are the real deal, nail the 24 draft and there is HOPE.

Risto also missed the first 6 games of last season.

don't mind the R.P. signing. Staal only makes some sense if they trade him at tdl. The old come play here and we will trade you to a contender. seeler and walker are also tying up spots, hopefully only for this year. (walker was a trade so get why they had to take him, but all the more reason why seeler should've been dealt last year.) plug in d men are always available if needed.

cam A. can be traded next year barring another injury.

Hathaway was different. seemed they overpaid a little but maybe a trade candidate as well. but probably next year not this.

hope they are not looking at the playoffs.

still at least 3 years away from making any impact. the d needs the most work imo.
- Peter Richards

staal makes zero sense. I also do not thin he will be traded. Even so what does he get a 4th rd pick at best?

Do they want to trade cam and GH is the question. Assuming they are even playing well

They imo sure as poop thinking playoffs. to some extent

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If only someone at Comcast realized that the sooner they get rid of Tortorella, the better. How soon this season will Briere have to talk to Tortorella about playing young players more?
- MJL

I predict it will not happen once. I think Torts wants to play the kids as long they are doing the right things. He does not mind mistakes as long as they do their best to rectify the mistake and still have the confidence after the mistake to continue to try to make plays. We saw this last season with Cates and Tippet, who made tons of mistakes every game but came back the very next shift with good plays. We have seen it already this year with Foerster who clearly did not do enough to make the NHL roster this year, but still Torts fought to keep him on the roster to allow him to work through any confidence issues he is having. Same with Andrae. I think Torts is genuinely excited to play these kids and mold them throughout the season.

Risto also missed the first 6 games of last season.
- Feanor

I wonder if he'll need half a season to acclimate himself to Tortorella's system this season?

staal makes zero sense. I also do not thin he will be traded. Even so what does he get a 4th rd pick at best?

Do they want to trade cam and GH is the question. Assuming they are even playing well

They imo sure as poop thinking playoffs. to some extent
- hello it's me 2050

for staal i would hope for a 3rd.

i don't think they want to trade the other two this year, but will next. if they are trying to pile up picks anyway. which they should, even if they are later round picks. can always use them to move up.

I predict it will not happen once. I think Torts wants to play the kids as long they are doing the right things. He does not mind mistakes as long as they do their best to rectify the mistake and still have the confidence after the mistake to continue to try to make plays. We saw this last season with Cates and Tippet, who made tons of mistakes every game but came back the very next shift with good plays. We have seen it already this year with Foerster who clearly did not do enough to make the NHL roster this year, but still Torts fought to keep him on the roster to allow him to work through any confidence issues he is having. Same with Andrae. I think Torts is genuinely excited to play these kids and mold them throughout the season.
- jd250

so which one will he be less excited about and send down after 15 games or so, brink or forest? Andrae as soon as RR isback

Risto also missed the first 6 games of last season.
- Feanor

He apparently had to spend 8 weeks this summer on military service in Finland, and thus could not train the way he wanted to. I would think this played a significant role in the injury Risto has now. I bet its a hamstring.

I predict it will not happen once. I think Torts wants to play the kids as long they are doing the right things. He does not mind mistakes as long as they do their best to rectify the mistake and still have the confidence after the mistake to continue to try to make plays. We saw this last season with Cates and Tippet, who made tons of mistakes every game but came back the very next shift with good plays. We have seen it already this year with Foerster who clearly did not do enough to make the NHL roster this year, but still Torts fought to keep him on the roster to allow him to work through any confidence issues he is having. Same with Andrae. I think Torts is genuinely excited to play these kids and mold them throughout the season.
- jd250

Let me correct you on what we actually saw last season. The players that Tortorella favors, for no discernible reason in some cases, can make mistakes and keep their ice time. Other that he doesn't favor, often for irrational reasons. Proven over his coaching career, will not keep it. Tortorella's perceived "excitement" will wear off quickly. He doesn't have the stomach for it.

so which one will he be less excited about and send down after 15 games or so, brink or forest? Andrae as soon as RR isback
- hello it's me 2050

Andrae would benefit from playing big minutes in the AHL , so I suspect Andrae will get some games in October and then be sent down, similar to how Zamula was handled last last. Nothing wrong with this approach, you can't rush the kids to quickly. Andrae has not played that many games in North American sized rinks so the AHL will be good for him.

staal makes zero sense. I also do not thin he will be traded. Even so what does he get a 4th rd pick at best?

Do they want to trade cam and GH is the question. Assuming they are even playing well

They imo sure as poop thinking playoffs. to some extent
- hello it's me 2050

Tippett is the real interesting trade piece at the TDL.

Let me correct you on what we actually saw last season. The players that Tortorella favors, for no discernible reason in some cases, can make mistakes and keep their ice time. Other that he doesn't favor, often for irrational reasons. Proven over his coaching career, will not keep it. Tortorella's perceived "excitement" will wear off quickly. He doesn't have the stomach for it.
- MJL

I don't agree. In the case of Frost, who played every game last year but one where he was a healthy scratch, he was not doing what Torts wanted consistently enough, i.e. when a mistake is made getting back on the horse and keep pushing through. That benching seems to have been a catalyst for Frost who clearly played well the last half of the season and looks great so far this pre-season and camp. Cates, Tippet, they didn't have this issue, they made mistakes but pushed through it and kept their confidence up. I recall several times where Tippet made some bad plays and hustled back up the ice to break up the ensuing scoring chance. I think this is what Torts wants from this forwards, make a mistake but don't stop playing and don't stop trying to make plays.

Andrae would benefit from playing big minutes in the AHL , so I suspect Andrae will get some games in October and then be sent down, similar to how Zamula was handled last last. Nothing wrong with this approach, you can't rush the kids to quickly. Andrae has not played that many games in North American sized rinks so the AHL will be good for him.
- jd250

There was nothing wrong with the approach last season with Zamula? Keeping him in the press box well into the season, not playing?
Same kool aid. Can't rush kids too quickly. Keep sending them down. Keep bringing on more vets. I'm sure there will be some more McEwen's and Brown's to hit the waiver wire soon that they can bring in and play over the NHL young talent they have.

for staal i would hope for a 3rd.

i don't think they want to trade the other two this year, but will next. if they are trying to pile up picks anyway. which they should, even if they are later round picks. can always use them to move up.
- Peter Richards

is a mid rd pick worth the lack of playing time for someone who may have a future on this team?

I don't agree. In the case of Frost, who played every game last year but one where he was a healthy scratch, he was not doing what Torts wanted consistently enough, i.e. when a mistake is made getting back on the horse and keep pushing through. That benching seems to have been a catalyst for Frost who clearly played well the last half of the season and looks great so far this pre-season and camp. Cates, Tippet, they didn't have this issue, they made mistakes but pushed through it and kept their confidence up. I recall several times where Tippet made some bad plays and hustled back up the ice to break up the ensuing scoring chance. I think this is what Torts wants from this forwards, make a mistake but don't stop playing and don't stop trying to make plays.
- jd250

Tortorella delayed and hurt Frost's development by not playing him in the right situations. It's interesting in that Tippett was one of the worst defensive forwards in his play away from the puck last season, yet he kept getting top ice time and PP time. I guess that is what Tortorella wanted out of him.

Again, you create your own reality that is completely void of what actually happened. Frost has persevered and conquered every road block put in his way. Including bad coaching and major injuries. Kept growing and getting better as a player. Kept moving forward. Your description of Frost's progression as a player is laughably inaccurate.

Andrae would benefit from playing big minutes in the AHL , so I suspect Andrae will get some games in October and then be sent down, similar to how Zamula was handled last last. Nothing wrong with this approach, you can't rush the kids to quickly. Andrae has not played that many games in North American sized rinks so the AHL will be good for him.
- jd250

i have said many times no issue with andrea being sent down.

Zamula was handled poorly.

is a mid rd pick worth the lack of playing time for someone who may have a future on this team?
- hello it's me 2050

for andrae i would sit walker or seeler. he's the only one that may be ready for the nhl. but if he adjusts in the ahl for part of the year and comes up i am ok with that. if it would continue further i would say no.

hope he plays well enough to sit one of them.

is a mid rd pick worth the lack of playing time for someone who may have a future on this team?
- hello it's me 2050

If Staal plays more than half the games this season then I agree with you. Not sure Andrae or Zamula or any other Phantom is ready to play 82 right now. Hopefully Walker, Staal and Seeler are all moved by the deadline.

Over/under 50.5 games played by Andrae and Zamula?

If Staal plays more than half the games this season then I agree with you. Not sure Andrae or Zamula or any other Phantom is ready to play 82 right now. Hopefully Walker, Staal and Seeler are all moved by the deadline.

Over/under 50.5 games played by Andrae and Zamula?
- mickel25

Under for both. (barring a major injury. Gotta cover my bases)

Bedard vs Crosby tonight, I'm interested to see how the kid performs against his idol. Any bets on how many points he gets?