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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 6:27 PM ET
Apparently Risto could play on Thursday, with the Flyers trying to sneak Sandstrom through waivers first.
- jd250

i have no idea what they're trying to do
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 10 @ 6:30 PM ET
i have no idea what they're trying to do
- 2Real

The Flyers are waiting to the very last minute to waive Sandstrom to give him the best chance of not being claimed, especially by Tampa. They put Risto on IR retroactive a week from this Thursday to comply with the roster requirements for Monday, but from what I understand Risto will play and Sandstrom will be waived hoping the other teams have their goalies in place at the start of their respective seasons.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 6:35 PM ET
All I know is before Torts got here, many players were regressing, both on the big club and the minors, including your boy Frost.
- jd250


Again, you don't have the facts. You're incorrect. Frost had a strong end to the season in 21/22 playing on a line with Cates and Tippett. He would've had an even better season that year if he was properly used by Yeo. A factor that you vociferously argued against that you turned out to be wrong about. I stopped reading at that point.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Oct 10 @ 6:38 PM ET
Again, you don't have the facts. You're incorrect. Frost had a strong end to the season in 21/22 playing on a line with Cates and Tippett. He would've had an even better season that year if he was properly used by Yeo. A factor that you vociferously argued against that you turned out to be wrong about. I stopped reading at that point.
- MJL


Bold is purely anecdotal

Speaking of being wrong about something…
did you want to make any comment on your player assessments when it comes to Phil Myers? Are three NHL teams/coaches/gms just wrong about this guy and you are right?

How do you want to spin this one?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 10 @ 6:43 PM ET
i thought CEOs don't eat mcdonalds

wait are you trump?

- 2Real
Let's go Braves!!
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Oct 10 @ 6:45 PM ET
I guess let me know when you’re ready to have an adult conversation 😂
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 10 @ 6:46 PM ET
I guess let me know when you’re ready to have an adult conversation 😂
- anti-lame

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 6:53 PM ET
Let's go Braves!!
- Phillywhiteout

we always knew you were a fraud fan
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 10 @ 7:10 PM ET
we always knew you were a fraud fan
- 2Real

anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Oct 10 @ 7:14 PM ET
Some folks just wilt away when challenged. Pathetic.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 10 @ 7:38 PM ET
I don't know, but look at other teams developing first and second round picks. they don't seem to miss on as many players, and their path to the NHL seems quicker. Not every team and player, but the Flyers can't miss on every player they draft....some are highly spoken of by the experts on TSN, etc, yet they seem to stall out and don't seem to have the impact that was expected of them as soon as was expected, if at all. Something seems amiss.
Having Lappy as the AHL coach doesn't help things, and playing different systems between the NHL and AHL teams seems like missed opportunities.

- TheFreak

I have to agree with this.
I personally feel that the AHL team should be using the same systems so that the transition to the NHL is more smooth.
I'm not saying that it is, but... could this be an issue with why the young kids don't develop properly and why they look out of place when they make it to the big club?
I remember from my playing days that it wasn't always easy playing one style ans then playing a different style for another team.
Practice makes perfect but so does repeated repetition and familiarity...
But I'm just an arm chair GM so what do I know...?
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Oct 10 @ 7:50 PM ET
So the NHL is banning all themed events at the games.
It's about time that they got something right

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119699
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Oct 10 @ 7:53 PM ET
So the NHL is banning all themed events at the games.
It's about time that they got something right

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119699

- Bob Habib

I have no problem with an individual player do such. The problem is when the team or league mandates it
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:56 PM ET
I have to agree with this.
I persoanmy feel that the AHL team should be using the same systems so that the transition to the NHL is more smooth.
I'm not saying that it is, but... could this be an issue with why the young kids don't develop properly and why they look out of place when they make it to the big club?
I remember from my playing days that it wasn't always easy playing one style ans then playing a different style for another team.
Practice makes perfect but so does repeated repetition and familiarity...
But I'm just an arm chair GM so what do I know...?

- Bob Habib


I'll weigh in on this. Not to boast but I think I know hockey systems as well as anyone on here. I agree in that I think the AHL team should be playing the same system. However I don't think that is a factor on player development. In my opinion, it's more about the Flyers methods. They like to make a player "earn it". Make the player adopt a different role and have to improve on their weaknesses before they let them play to their strengths. They metaphorically make a player who is a RH shot learn to play LH before they let him use his strengths. In my opinion, top teams put a player in the best position they can to use his strengths while also working on weaknesses. Let the player build confidence and have some success. The Flyers also lack patience. They yo-yo players too much if the player doesn't grow fast enough for their liking. They are too quick to pull the plug, cut ice time and demote players. Then there is the archaic, the player has to beat out the veteran routine. Stack the deck against a player year after year and then, well the player just didn't work out. Hopefully that all changes but with Tortorella on board. I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Oct 10 @ 7:59 PM ET
I'll weigh in on this. Not to boast but I think I know hockey systems as well as anyone on here. I agree in that I think the AHL team should be playing the same system. However I don't think that is a factor on player development. In my opinion, it's more about the Flyers methods. They like to make a player "earn it". Make the player adopt a different role and have to improve on their weaknesses before they let them play to their strengths. They metaphorically make a player who is a RH shot learn to play LH before they let him use his strengths. In my opinion, top teams put a player in the best position they can to use his strengths while also working on weaknesses. Let the player build confidence and have some success. The Flyers also lack patience. They yo-yo players too much if the player doesn't grow fast enough for their liking. They are too quick to pull the plug, cut ice time and demote players. Then there is the archaic, the player has to beat out the veteran routine. Stack the deck against a player year after year and then, well the player just didn't work out. Hopefully that all changes but with Tortorella on board. I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
- MJL


Do you think Phil Myers would benefit from different systems? Like flipping burgers?

So weird you don’t want to have an adult conversation about it since you’ve let others know how bad they are at player assessments. Just seems like you might want to defend your stance rather than wilt like this
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Oct 10 @ 8:02 PM ET
Lol yeah everyone is just an alt

Any final words on Phil Myers or is this your way on conceding the point by being a coward about it?

- anti-lame

havent seen you post in a while. where you been?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Oct 10 @ 8:03 PM ET
havent seen you post in a while. where you been?
- hello it's me 2050


Hooters
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 8:11 PM ET
time for the conner bedard suckfest to begin
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 10 @ 8:13 PM ET
I'll weigh in on this. Not to boast but I think I know hockey systems as well as anyone on here. I agree in that I think the AHL team should be playing the same system. However I don't think that is a factor on player development. In my opinion, it's more about the Flyers methods. They like to make a player "earn it". Make the player adopt a different role and have to improve on their weaknesses before they let them play to their strengths. They metaphorically make a player who is a RH shot learn to play LH before they let him use his strengths. In my opinion, top teams put a player in the best position they can to use his strengths while also working on weaknesses. Let the player build confidence and have some success. The Flyers also lack patience. They yo-yo players too much if the player doesn't grow fast enough for their liking. They are too quick to pull the plug, cut ice time and demote players. Then there is the archaic, the player has to beat out the veteran routine. Stack the deck against a player year after year and then, well the player just didn't work out. Hopefully that all changes but with Tortorella on board. I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
- MJL
Okay, I'll bite. Do you have proof that other teams DON't employ the same methods? It's the best league in the world and the bottom line is all about winning. Could it be that other organizations just have more NHL ready talent in their systems? I don't really buy your stance here without proof that the Flyers are impatient while other organizations aren't. Thanks!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 8:18 PM ET
hmm should we just tank till we get a generational talent?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Oct 10 @ 8:21 PM ET
I'll weigh in on this. Not to boast but I think I know hockey systems as well as anyone on here. I agree in that I think the AHL team should be playing the same system. However I don't think that is a factor on player development. In my opinion, it's more about the Flyers methods. They like to make a player "earn it". Make the player adopt a different role and have to improve on their weaknesses before they let them play to their strengths. They metaphorically make a player who is a RH shot learn to play LH before they let him use his strengths. In my opinion, top teams put a player in the best position they can to use his strengths while also working on weaknesses. Let the player build confidence and have some success. The Flyers also lack patience. They yo-yo players too much if the player doesn't grow fast enough for their liking. They are too quick to pull the plug, cut ice time and demote players. Then there is the archaic, the player has to beat out the veteran routine. Stack the deck against a player year after year and then, well the player just didn't work out. Hopefully that all changes but with Tortorella on board. I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
- MJL


You’re right - if the flyers just let Phil Myers have success he would’ve been a top pairing d. But the flyers didn’t let him have it lol
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 8:23 PM ET
Okay, I'll bite. Do you have proof that other teams DON't employ the same methods? It's the best league in the world and the bottom line is all about winning. Could it be that other organizations just have more NHL ready talent in their systems? I don't really buy your stance here without proof that the Flyers are impatient while other organizations aren't. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout


Do you have proof that they do? How does talent become NHL ready? I don't care if you don't buy it. Your post is empty and lacks content. Thanks
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Oct 10 @ 8:27 PM ET
Do you have proof that they do? How does talent become NHL ready? I don't care if you don't buy it. Your post is empty and lacks content. Thanks
- MJL


So he asks if you have any discernible data to back up your claim… and your response is “dO YoU!?”

And then proceed to tell him his post is empty and lacks content? Got it

😂 not a good day for you so far

THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Oct 10 @ 8:29 PM ET
hmm should we just tank till we get a generational talent?
- 2Real

if the Flyers tanked, phillwhiteout wouldnt root for them
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 8:33 PM ET
if the Flyers tanked, phillwhiteout wouldnt root for them
- THE BLACK HAND

he doesn't root for them any way
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