They have more than enough draft picks. You can’t build an entire team through the draft.

No one thinks Mrazek will be the goalie when they are good, but you need someone solid back there to hold the fort while the young goalies develop enough to be NHL ready.

As these rookies start to arrive they need to be able to see success and progress in what they are doing, otherwise they will question everything (plan, coaching, direction). The you have a bunch of players that aren’t bought in and never gel. As I mentioned before, you can’t just assume that the FO can pluck just about anyone from the FA heap and grab a decent starter.

I’ve had to build two different teams from scratch at work. One succeeded the other didn’t. The one that didn’t never really saw success because we were missing a fundamental piece to move forward. It’s anecdotal, and small sample size, but I think it definitely holds merit.
- Chunk

Interesting perspective Chunk. On NHL radio this morning, some analyst (didn't catch who it was) talking about the surprising success of the Flyers although rebuilding. He said it was primarily due to the buy in of Tort's coaching.

He also said they are not looking to add at the deadline, to make a run at the playoffs, nor are they going to dump players but if a hockey trade makes sense, they would be all for it.

Will be interesting to follow because this board has told me this is no in the Talmud on how you rebuild. i have no opinion, i don't think I have watched a minute of any Flyers game.

The mere fact he gave up four goals points to his bustedness …. No?
- paulr

Of course, silly me.

Interesting perspective Chunk. On NHL radio this morning, some analyst (didn't catch who it was) talking about the surprising success of the Flyers although rebuilding. He said it was primarily due to the buy in of Tort's coaching.

He also said they are not looking to add at the deadline, to make a run at the playoffs, nor are they going to dump players but if a hockey trade makes sense, they would be all for it.

Will be interesting to follow because this board has told me this is no in the Talmud on how you rebuild. i have no opinion, i don't think I have watched a minute of any Flyers game.
- LAHawk

First of all Torts is a great coach, until his stuff gets old after two years. The Flyers are surprisingly playing well, but are they going anywhere? Not likely, they’ll just be one of those teams that are middle of the road, will never be elite with that approach, is that what you want for the Hawks LA? Because that’s not what I and some others here want. The Hawks are going to get another talented player in this coming draft, while they are currently being embarrassed on many nights, this should be the last year of tanking. Starting next year you will see a more talented team, just need some patience.

First of all Torts is a great coach, until his stuff gets old after two years. The Flyers are surprisingly playing well, but are they going anywhere? Not likely, they’ll just be one of those teams that are middle of the road, will never be elite with that approach, is that what you want for the Hawks LA? Because that’s not what I and some others here want. The Hawks are going to get another talented player in this coming draft, while they are currently being embarrassed on many nights, this should be the last year of tanking. Starting next year you will see a more talented team, just need some patience.
- Angotti

Don't the Flyers get Mitchkov in a couple of years? Oliver Bonk? Cutter Gauthier?

On the big club is Brink, Foerster, Farabee, York, Zamula

they have a stud goalie in Carter Hart who is 25.

They have 2 first round draft picks this year.

They do not have Bedard, but they have a very nice prospect pool along with some younger NHL quality players Koneckny, Tippett, Hart.

I love how in order to defend Davidson's wrecking ball approach, other ways of rebuilding the retort is "they will never be elite", only the wrecking ball approach is correct, just have patience.

Below is the top 15 teams in the league as of today. How many of them in the past 25 years did a complete wrecking ball rebuild? How many have been in the top 15 of the league for a very long time?

New York Rangers
Vancouver Canucks
Vegas Golden Knights
Boston Bruins
Colorado Avalanche
Los Angeles Kings
Winnipeg Jets
Dallas Stars
Florida Panthers
Philadelphia Flyers
Carolina Hurricanes
New York Islanders
Toronto Maple Leafs
Washington Capitals
Tampa Bay Lightning

Lets see what KFC does in the off-season. My hopes are not high.

Don't the Flyers get Mitchkov in a couple of years? Oliver Bonk? Cutter Gauthier?

On the big club is Brink, Foerster, Farabee, York, Zamula

they have a stud goalie in Carter Hart who is 25.

They have 2 first round draft picks this year.

They do not have Bedard, but they have a very nice prospect pool along with some younger NHL quality players Koneckny, Tippett, Hart.

I love how in order to defend Davidson's wrecking ball approach, other ways of rebuilding the retort is "they will never be elite", only the wrecking ball approach is correct, just have patience.

Below is the top 15 teams in the league as of today. How many of them in the past 25 years did a complete wrecking ball rebuild? How many have been in the top 15 of the league for a very long time?

New York Rangers
Vancouver Canucks
Vegas Golden Knights
Boston Bruins
Colorado Avalanche
Los Angeles Kings
Winnipeg Jets
Dallas Stars
Florida Panthers
Philadelphia Flyers
Carolina Hurricanes
New York Islanders
Toronto Maple Leafs
Washington Capitals
Tampa Bay Lightning

Lets see what KFC does in the off-season. My hopes are not high.
- LAHawk

Call it what you will, but each of those teams (except the new Vegas team, and perhaps Boston) have gone through periods of turdness during your time frame.

Call it what you will, but each of those teams (except the new Vegas team, and perhaps Boston) have gone through periods of turdness during your time frame.
- mohel

Yes they have. Are you telling me that the Hawks once they are relevant will never see turdness again in the millennia? Because that is what you are selling.

Yes they have. Are you telling me that the Hawks once they are relevant will never see turdness again in the millennia? Because that is what you are selling.
- LAHawk

No, that's not what I'm selling. I'm not selling anything.

Every team will go through periods of suckage - the financial and talent acquisition rules pretty much assure it.

Apparently the board has gone from debating this upswing to worrying about the next one.

#BOD.

Don't the Flyers get Mitchkov in a couple of years? Oliver Bonk? Cutter Gauthier?

On the big club is Brink, Foerster, Farabee, York, Zamula

they have a stud goalie in Carter Hart who is 25.

They have 2 first round draft picks this year.

They do not have Bedard, but they have a very nice prospect pool along with some younger NHL quality players Koneckny, Tippett, Hart.

I love how in order to defend Davidson's wrecking ball approach, other ways of rebuilding the retort is "they will never be elite", only the wrecking ball approach is correct, just have patience.

Below is the top 15 teams in the league as of today. How many of them in the past 25 years did a complete wrecking ball rebuild? How many have been in the top 15 of the league for a very long time?

New York Rangers
Vancouver Canucks
Vegas Golden Knights
Boston Bruins
Colorado Avalanche
Los Angeles Kings
Winnipeg Jets
Dallas Stars
Florida Panthers
Philadelphia Flyers
Carolina Hurricanes
New York Islanders
Toronto Maple Leafs
Washington Capitals
Tampa Bay Lightning

Lets see what KFC does in the off-season. My hopes are not high.
- LAHawk

Colorado kind of did. Coming off Duchene and ORielly the way they did was certainly a significant retool.

The Panthers were very bad for 10 years. The Canucks have been very bad or mediocre for the last 8 or 9 years. All their big shooters except Miller were all draft picks.

Dallas was bad for a good 5 year stretch but then went out and got guys.

LA was pretty bad for a few years. Vancouver was very bad for a few years.

Winnipeg pretty mediocre - nothing as dreadful as a sub 70 point season but still not good. Islanders also mediocre. Hurricanes arguably haven't done enough to get over the hump.

The Rangers tried to lose on purpose and did pretty good job for two years but really hit it big with getting Fox and then Zib turning into a first line center but they bottomed out to two top three picks in a row.

The Leafs were very very bad for 10 years and bottomed out even more for Nylander, Marner and Matthews all in a row they definately tanked. Under 70 points twice woof that was fairly obvious and egregious.

The Bruins and Capitals have had a few off seasons but both franchises have been largely good for the last 30 years even if they haven't won as many cups.

Penguins tried to bottom out for Crosby and did and the devils were very very bad for a long time.

I think there are plenty of teams that have tanked and gotten if not completely horrid then very very bad. Some of those teams wallowed at the bottom longer than others.

Probably time this TDL and upcoming off season to start building a team and bringing in some guys who are motivated to win. Running into an Ottawa or Buffalo scenario where there are a bunch of young promising players absent any solid veteran leadership (lol Giroux) would be very bad.