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mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Dec 29 @ 2:36 PM ET
It only took Stevie Y two years as GM (minus his first three ) to have his team playing mediocre hockey again. Get with the program Chief!
- HawkintheD


Stevie is the exception to all rules, even death and taxes.

Detroit has accumulated quite a few good very good players, but (imo) no great ones. I believe they are heading into a period of being good, but not great. I'd rather go for great, and another very high pick this year helps.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Dec 29 @ 2:49 PM ET
Boston has placed Ian Mitchell on waivers.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Dec 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
Yeah you're right. He contributes nothing on the ice and is just another warm body to fill out a roster and make sure Bedsy packs extra undies and a toothbrush.

I wouldn't mind if they resigned Mrazek. If they do get a 2nd or better I say take it. Will be interesting though if he is signed and gets hurt to see how much you'll be riding Little Nappy's arse for signing a player with a known injury history.

Maybe I'm off but what seems lost on you and some others is having all these picks gives you an opportunity to either make the pick or package one for something maybe Little Nappy likes better.

I know...I should know better though as Little Nappy has proven time and again over his one and half seasons at full time GM'ing that he is enamored of his picks/prospects and covets them to the point where he'll never ever trade one.

- HawkintheD


My comment about Foligno signing is a retort to the comment that the Hawks are better off with any draft choice instead of resigning. Who cares about f they give up 7 goals a game, Commesso and Gajan will be tending the nets in ??? Seasons.

Again I understand the picks can be packaged, but according to the wrecking ball rebuild bible, that would be blasphemy.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Dec 29 @ 3:00 PM ET
I know you disagree with KD’s strategy of tanking again this season but what do you say about the Spittin’ Chicklet’s rumours of KD going after Willy Nylander and Elias Petterson this offseason?
- paulr


The Petterson rumor doesn't really make sense to me.
The Blackhawks are going to need to dish out more than 10mil a season for him, that would = 3 first round picks.

Probably means 1 top 10 pick (not sure from what draft the Canucks would start getting picks-the Celebrini draft? Or a year later?) if not 2 top 10 picks,depending on how well or bad they play the next few seasons.
I like to think he is worth it,but not sure what Blackhawks mgmt thinks.
Nylander is another story,but I still think the Leafs have enough $$$ to sign him and fill out their roster
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Dec 29 @ 3:03 PM ET
Fun reading the debate. My 2 cents:
This season should be the nadir of this rebuild cycle. While I don’t expect the team to be competing for the playoffs next season, it’s time to start building. They’ve accumulated plenty of prospects and draft capital, and they’re likely to add at least 1 high end talent in the next draft.

Time to add 2 competent wingers for Bedard. I don’t care if they come from Rockford, the next draft, trade or FA.

I’d like them get to NHL .500 next year, and compete for the playoffs the following year.

Also, Canada down 2-0 with 3 left in the 2nd. They could probably use Bedard and KK, Sweden looks stronger.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Dec 29 @ 3:03 PM ET
I know you disagree with KD’s strategy of tanking again this season but what do you say about the Spittin’ Chicklet’s rumours of KD going after Willy Nylander and Elias Petterson this offseason?
- paulr

I would love it, better check for approval from Dots. D
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Dec 29 @ 3:07 PM ET
Sweden hasn’t given up a goal in 8 periods.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Dec 29 @ 3:07 PM ET
I'm sure he'll be a bust, since Nappy doesn't know what he's doing.
- BetweenTheDots

I will give you plenty to disagree with me about but at least keep it to things I post.

Cause, once again, not a comment made by me.

Not liking a draft choice doesn't mean I don't agree with what he is doing in the big picture. Being a GM isn't a perfect science.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 29 @ 3:08 PM ET
My comment about Foligno signing is a retort to the comment that the Hawks are better off with any draft choice instead of resigning. Who cares about f they give up 7 goals a game, Commesso and Gajan will be tending the nets in ??? Seasons.

Again I understand the picks can be packaged, but according to the wrecking ball rebuild bible, that would be blasphemy.

- LAHawk


Yep...I saw you're not opposed to resigning Foligno and my bad I jumped the gun responding to something where you had only given a partial answer.

Hmmm...all this seems kinda familiar, you know, like certain posters predicting how this rebuild plays out when it's really only just begun.

When will Gajan or Commesso be here? No clue, but maybe Davidson trades for a goalie he likes to bridge the gap if they don't resign Mrazek.

Also, why do you keep referring to it as the rebuild bible? Who on here has said there's only one way to skin a cat? I think most people are just saying be patient with the process which seems out of your wheelhouse since you seem to already know Little Nappy is going to do nothing in the offseason in hopes of picking top 3 again in 2025. Like I said, anytime you want to share your Powerball predictions, please do.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Dec 29 @ 3:15 PM ET
Sweden hasn’t given up a goal in 8 periods.
- scottak


I don’t think this is Canada’s year. I think Slovakia will take the gold.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Dec 29 @ 3:19 PM ET
Yep...I saw you're not opposed to resigning Foligno and my bad I jumped the gun responding to something where you had only given a partial answer.

Hmmm...all this seems kinda familiar, you know, like certain posters predicting how this rebuild plays out when it's really only just begun.

When will Gajan or Commesso be here? No clue, but maybe Davidson trades for a goalie he likes to bridge the gap if they don't resign Mrazek.

Also, why do you keep referring to it as the rebuild bible? Who on here has said there's only one way to skin a cat? I think most people are just saying be patient with the process which seems out of your wheelhouse since you seem to already know Little Nappy is going to do nothing in the offseason in hopes of picking top 3 again in 2025. Like I said, anytime you want to share your Powerball predictions, please do.

- HawkintheD



You must miss the posts which proclaim what moves a GM should or should not do according to the “playbook “
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Dec 29 @ 3:26 PM ET
I don’t think this is Canada’s year. I think Slovakia will take the gold.
- DarthKane

Could be. Sweden has the home advantage. I think the USA came in as favorites, but their own zone defensive play and goaltending has been just ‘meh’.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 29 @ 3:30 PM ET
You must miss the posts which proclaim what moves a GM should or should not do according to the “playbook “
- LAHawk


I miss all sorts of things. Idk, I think people are mostly trying to be patient with the process vs adopting a fatalist outlook which IMHO is just a waste of time and energy.


LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Dec 29 @ 3:39 PM ET
I miss all sorts of things. Idk, I think people are mostly trying to be patient with the process vs adopting a fatalist outlook which IMHO is just a waste of time and energy.
- HawkintheD


Some of my posts are over the top, but generally in response to what IMO is a ridiculous post, or call other GM’s stupid because the poster doesn’t agree with the other GM’s moves or methods. So I Will call out what I don’t like what the Hawks GMm is doing.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Dec 29 @ 3:48 PM ET
For frame of reference, here’s the points progression from 2003-04 to the 2010 Cup:

2004 - 59
2006 - 65
2007 - 71
2008 - 88
2009 - 104
2010 - 112

And the replay of 2015 Game 7 is on now. Forgot that Hossa was on the 2nd PP unit. He was a scoring chance generating machine, and my favorite Blackhawk.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 29 @ 4:23 PM ET
Well Celebrini is good but he’s not looking like a special player like Bedard. He doesn’t have the ability to take the team on his shoulders and will the team to a win. It’s possible he can but I’m seeing a good two way player not an elite generational type player as some analysts were suggesting.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Dec 29 @ 4:38 PM ET
Well Celebrini is good but he’s not looking like a special player like Bedard. He doesn’t have the ability to take the team on his shoulders and will the team to a win. It’s possible he can but I’m seeing a good two way player not an elite generational type player as some analysts were suggesting.
- paulr


It seems to be a bit of an overused term with prospects coming up through the ranks whether it be hockey, football, whatever.

Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Dec 29 @ 4:42 PM ET
I dunno, I read here Bedard was still a junior player and wasn’t as good as Fantilli.
- paulr


No, nobody can be that dumb, can they? That guy has either suffered a brain injury, is mixing medications or his maker played a bad joke on him. ...... Careful who you read, Pauly, just in case on the off chance that kind of idiocy is contagious. Probably safe to just skip past that poster's "thoughts". Never know.

Or, if you're feeling charitable you can kinda take him under your wing and tutor him along? Poor guy, sounds like he can use a friend.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 29 @ 4:44 PM ET
It seems to be a bit of an overused term with prospects coming up through the ranks whether it be hockey, football, whatever.
- HawkintheD

Hyperbole seems to be the thing nowadays. But a few articles were suggesting Celebrini was a better player than Bedard. To me Celebrini may be better than Adam Fantilli but I’m not even sure about that. Someone made the comment that Celebrini is a similar type player to Jonathan Toews, which isn’t a bad thing.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 29 @ 4:45 PM ET
No, nobody can be that dumb, can they? That guy has either suffered a brain injury, is mixing medications or his maker played a bad joke on him. ...... Careful who you read, Pauly, just in case on the off chance that kind of idiocy is contagious. Probably safe to just skip past that poster's "thoughts". Never know.

Or, if you're feeling charitable you can kinda take him under your wing and tutor him along? Poor guy, sounds like he can use a friend.

- Mr Ricochet

Any idea who suggested that?
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Dec 29 @ 4:51 PM ET
No, no, no, no Fantilli plays like a pro, Bedard plays like a junior player who’s only interested in points.
- paulr


Fantilli, a pro? That ankle bender plays like a pro and Bedard a jrs player???? To each his own I guess but probably safe to just skip over that lost soul's posts if for nothing else than wasting valuable time, Pauly.


Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Dec 29 @ 4:53 PM ET
Well Celebrini is good but he’s not looking like a special player like Bedard. He doesn’t have the ability to take the team on his shoulders and will the team to a win. It’s possible he can but I’m seeing a good two way player not an elite generational type player as some analysts were suggesting.
- paulr

I doubt that we’ll see another Bedard for a while, like it was mentioned earlier, this dude puts up points as an 18 year old playing with duds, and most points are at even strength. By the way, I’d still take Celebrini, but would be okay with your guy C Lindstrom as well.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 29 @ 4:53 PM ET
Fantilli, a pro? That ankle bender plays like a pro and Bedard a jrs player???? To each his own I guess but probably safe to just skip over that lost soul's posts if for nothing else than wasting valuable time, Pauly.
- Mr Ricochet

I’m guessing that wasn’t a compliment?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Dec 29 @ 4:56 PM ET
Nazar has 5 primaries in the last 2 periods.
- Elbows15


And you watch many of them close, he is engaging on the wall and taking pucks for the set-ups.
(This is what I expected to be seeing from Reichel as a pro but we are still waiting.)

Nazar is fearless and really hockey smart and little time is he thinking, he is doing it fast, whether it generates a look or not, he looks like the goods.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Dec 29 @ 4:59 PM ET
I doubt that we’ll see another Bedard for a while, like it was mentioned earlier, this dude puts up points as an 18 year old playing with duds, and most points are at even strength. By the way, I’d still take Celebrini, but would be okay with your guy C Lindstrom as well.
- Angotti

Lindstrom isn’t my guy, I just saw his draft ranking skyrocket and mentioned it. The fact that he’s such a great skater, has lots of skill and plays a heavy game doesn’t hurt. I trust whoever KFC deems the best player when his turn comes up. As HawkintheD said the media just uses the term generational more as hyperbole than anything else. Unfortunately Celebrini appears to have got caught up in the hyperbole machine. But watching him, he turns in an honest effort and doesn’t cheat but he doesn’t appear to be a game changer the way Bedard showed the last two WJC’s and so far in his NHL career.
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